2020 Election Commentary

[rawma]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

[Ratman_tf]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/leaked-recording-biden-says-gop-used-defund-police-beat-living-n1250757

Cracks are already forming, and Biden hasn't even been elected yet.

[Mistwell]

Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump's supporters and telling them this is for their own good.

My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn't push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.

But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn't support would be the miracle.  Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.

So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?

burning the people who false-fronted as allies to him is indirect to further clarifying to the american people the degree to which their government actively disregards their will and interests.  It is the clarity that I want.  I also would be satisfied with what it would do to the copperheads who depend upon the mistaken good will given to them by voters they don't respect.

Would you be satisfied with the clarity provided if we went more towards a parliamentary system where there were 4 political parties rather than two? You could call them whatever but I will  toss out Conservative, Republican, Democratic, and Progressive, with Trump-supporters being in one of Conservative or Republican (take your pick) and Neo-cons being in the other?

The concept of addition by subtraction may seem fantastical to some, but yes.  Mistwell is correct that the GOP he likes have directed the agenda for 40 years out of a 170 year-old party.  All that achieves is ensuring the previous agenda never has a political champion - and it is an agenda people wish enacted.  There are many voters who do not vote GOP because they rightly despise the GOP of the last 40 years.

I think that's perfectly fair, and I prefer the clarity of understanding your position more than I want you to agree with me. I agree there are two different groups within the overarching title of Republican or GOP right now. I think the same for the Democratic party, as they are struggling greatly with the Chuck Schumer/Nancy Pelosi wing vs the AOCs of their party.

[VisionStorm]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

Are you seriously counting 100% of the people who supposedly voted for Biden after 4 YEARS of Russia conspiracy theories and non-stop propaganda telling everyone how Trump was Orange Hitler planted by Putin (Red Scare AND Godwin's law), along with UNPRESENDENT levels of mail-in voting, as people voting FOR the Democraptic Party as opposed to voting AGAINST Trump (just this time around--assuming that many people really did vote), and pretending those are all hardline Democraptic voters 100% OK with the party?

I don't really follow WTF happens in these part of the forum that much, except for the past few days, but is that really the level disingenuous bullshit you throw around?

[Mistwell]

   I can not own them.  I would have to be right wing, and since I do not even at this point know what in the world is a centrist stance about anything I have no idea what I am.  I guess with the neck jarring shifts the country is trying to make to the left on some things I am far right on them at this point?

There's still a significant moderate middle, it's just the people on the left and the right no longer believe it exists. So you if say anything critical to anyone on the left, you're called an extreme right wing lunatic. And if you say anything critical to anyone on the right, you're labeled an extreme progressive whackjob. If you correct them, and state what you actually believe, they'll say you're lying, and they know you don't believe what you believe. This also applies if you don't easily fit on the left-right axis at all.

I agree wholeheartedly.

You can use this place as one example. I am considered a leftist here. However, most places I post, I am considered right wing. I've been called a Nazi-supporter for voting for a Republican state legislator or Congressperson. In fact right now I am being called that on a sports message board which has a political thread. And yet here I am called a cuck commie SJW supporter for voting for Biden.

There is no nuance on the Internet. The world is black and white, and you're either part of the tribe or the enemy tribe.

[Mistwell]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

More people voted for Republicans in State legislator positions and Congress, while simultaneously voting for Biden. So no, they didn't. What actually happened is a lot more nuanced than that. Progressives had a pretty bad election really.

[HappyDaze]

Sit in amusement for the next few days watching the Bush GOP make all the mistakes soy men typically make - thinking they will recapture loyalty to their faction through insulting Trump's supporters and telling them this is for their own good.

My hope, if Trump as I expect doesn't push this to unusual means, is that he ignores protocol and dumps enough dirt to absolutely burn the GOP establishment that pumped the brakes on him in every non-public way it could.

But spilling all the tea with declass the gov doesn't support would be the miracle.  Bush Republicans gloating themselves into a corner requires only playing to type.

So, if I read that right, you're saying Trump will leave the Presidency, and your hope is he burns down the parts of the GOP who do not support him on the way out?

You can see a real lack of maturity

That's fucking rich coming from a guy whose response to things he found distasteful on a message board was to become an admitted petulant troll himself.

I adapted to my environment. I think just about everyone is here to troll. Less so on the gaming part of the site, but here it's all about staying in character, right? Kayfabe for all.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Here is a video of marches in Washington, DC. Also includes interviews with poll watchers, poll challengers, and other witnesses to election fraud and corruption.

Interesting stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ratman_tf]

There is no nuance on the Internet. The world is black and white, and you're either part of the tribe or the enemy tribe.

It's not restricted to the internet anymore. I don't think it ever was.

[rawma]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/leaked-recording-biden-says-gop-used-defund-police-beat-living-n1250757

Cracks are already forming, and Biden hasn't even been elected yet.

That Biden says Republicans used dishonest framing to beat Democrats is a crack in the Democratic party? LOL.

Are you seriously counting 100% of the people who supposedly voted for Biden after 4 YEARS of Russia conspiracy theories and non-stop propaganda telling everyone how Trump was Orange Hitler planted by Putin (Red Scare AND Godwin's law), along with UNPRESENDENT levels of mail-in voting, as people voting FOR the Democraptic Party as opposed to voting AGAINST Trump (just this time around--assuming that many people really did vote), and pretending those are all hardline Democraptic voters 100% OK with the party?

I don't really follow WTF happens in these part of the forum that much, except for the past few days, but is that really the level disingenuous bullshit you throw around?

For a decade, the GOP has depended on voter suppression and gerrymandering. And the GOP is already tearing itself apart over Trumpism - the ambitious hope to inherit Trump's mantle, Trump will be badmouthing the disloyal, the GOP members of Congress fear the most Trump loyal voters turning on them or the crazies killing them, and the Republicans can't settle on a message about whether Georgia elections are fair.

When The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state's election, she replied, "If I would say to you, 'I don't want to do it,'" referring to signing the letter, "I'd get my house bombed tonight."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/

Call me when somebody actually finds voting fraud of any significance. They arrested two Republicans for voting fraud in Pennsylvania, but they still can't seem to find one dead voter or credible expert anywhere. The Biden campaign has slain so many Krakens that it's reached 20th level.

More people voted for Republicans in State legislator positions and Congress, while simultaneously voting for Biden. So no, they didn't. What actually happened is a lot more nuanced than that. Progressives had a pretty bad election really.

I'll grant you that since you are one of the few here not endlessly claiming fraud. Democrats lost House seats but still control it, and the Senate is a long shot. State legislatures have a lot of gerrymandering (the blue wall states all have Republican legislatures but Democratic statewide offices) and the incumbency benefit is large (except for Trump).

I wouldn't count all of the Trump voters as Republicans either; experience in the last few elections has shown that Trump draws out voters for him specifically, but not in an election he's not in.

[Shasarak]

You can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.

Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there?  Do you have a quote from them saying that?

[Shasarak]

Yes by all means fracture a Republican party that hasn't won the popular vote in decades what possibly could go wrong lmao

The main problem with being a Republican that I have observed is that as soon as you die you swap to voting Democrat.

[Ratman_tf]

To be fair, fracturing has been going on in the Democratic party for some time too. Some might say even more than the Republicans.

81 million people said otherwise not that long ago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/leaked-recording-biden-says-gop-used-defund-police-beat-living-n1250757

Cracks are already forming, and Biden hasn't even been elected yet.

That Biden says Republicans used dishonest framing to beat Democrats is a crack in the Democratic party? LOL.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. LOL.

[VisionStorm]

Are you seriously counting 100% of the people who supposedly voted for Biden after 4 YEARS of Russia conspiracy theories and non-stop propaganda telling everyone how Trump was Orange Hitler planted by Putin (Red Scare AND Godwin's law), along with UNPRESENDENT levels of mail-in voting, as people voting FOR the Democraptic Party as opposed to voting AGAINST Trump (just this time around--assuming that many people really did vote), and pretending those are all hardline Democraptic voters 100% OK with the party?

I don't really follow WTF happens in these part of the forum that much, except for the past few days, but is that really the level disingenuous bullshit you throw around?

For a decade, the GOP has depended on voter suppression and gerrymandering. And the GOP is already tearing itself apart over Trumpism - the ambitious hope to inherit Trump's mantle, Trump will be badmouthing the disloyal, the GOP members of Congress fear the most Trump loyal voters turning on them or the crazies killing them, and the Republicans can't settle on a message about whether Georgia elections are fair.

WTF does this even have to do with anything that I said? You also seem to be under the misapprehension that I give a shit about the longevity of the Republicant party. My only regret is that it looks like the Democraptic party seems to be on its way to outlive the Republicants now that they appear to have swindled their subservient voter base into voting the only Republican president that kinda sorta did anything of note in my lifetime out of office.

The Democraps have depended on treating minorities like their lapdogs to get elected for my entire lifetime, and to be glad about it. And this is a look at how they treat them, as well as into the character of the piece of shit garbage like you voted into office. I'm surprised he didn't tell these people to call him "massah" on their way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCzxR-vo9nA

[Mistwell]

You can see a real lack of maturity in many of those that continue to support Trump's idiotic post-election antics. These are the people that adamantly claim to see something of substance in the Emperor's New Claims when those in their right minds (which includes the heavily conservative Supreme Court) keep saying there's nothing there. For some reason, they just can't get enough of those orange circus peanuts dangling over their faces.

Did the Supreme Court say there's nothing there?  Do you have a quote from them saying that?

Yeah, saying your case is so weak it doesn't even rise to the level where they think it could conceivably be worth listening to it, that's a pretty clear declaration there is nothing there. Which is what 7 of the 9 justices said.