2020 Election Commentary

[Shasarak]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?

If there is any justice:

[jhkim]

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

That's my point.

Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.

The margin of human error doesn't show anything of the sort. Regular human error in counting doesn't change the *average* effect of a single vote. But you can say this about any collective action, down to the very smallest. Say, a friend of yours needs help to go to the hospital. You offer to take him - but someone else already volunteered. Did your offer not make a difference? I'd say yes, it still did.

This sounds like a purely emotional reaction from feeling depressed. "Oh, nothing I do matters." But when Trump won, did you feel the same way about voting? Little things add up, and small changes can make a difference. It can be hard to *feel* that emotionally, but it's true.

Since the first video was unacceptably ambiguous, she posted a follow-up

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1336911742815797248?s=20

Wait, didn't you get the memo? It's the Republicans that are unhinged. The Republicans!

There are plenty of people who are unhinged among both the Republicans and the Democrats. If anyone disagrees with that, that just means their hyper-partisan blinders are too strong. I can't do that much about all the unhinged people in the world, but I can at least point out when people I'm talking to are becoming unhinged.

[VisionStorm]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?

Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.

Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.

Win-Win

[EOTB]

This woman is really into posting videos lately.  "The Biden-Harris administration owes the city of Detroit...oh yes." 

https://twitter.com/pghowie3/status/1337138069506494465?s=21

[HappyDaze]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?

Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.

Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.

Win-Win

Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.

[VisionStorm]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?

Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.

Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.

Win-Win

Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.

Damn, might be a toss up if we include Kanye. Tulsi would have probably beaten the Green and Libertarian candidates, but Kanye is a relatively young and healthy tall man in good shape, which would give him an edge over a tiny woman. I'm not really a fan of him and don't really follow him, so I'm not sure what sort of training he has, but I read somewhere that he apparently knows Karate. so he might know how to fight. Tulsi would have to rely entirely on technique and strategy against a larger man.

[HappyDaze]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?

Tulsi Gabbard, cuz she's a vet with military training, who's still in shape and practiced Capoeira, so she would've risen through the primaries, beating every other Democraptic candidate, in order to finally face off against Donald Trump, who's an overweight old man.

Andrew Yang also practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so he'd probably been her PV pick.

Win-Win

Did you consider candidates from outside the major parties? Presumably even Kanye could have taken down Trump in the arena.

Damn, might be a toss up if we include Kanye. Tulsi would have probably beaten the Green and Libertarian candidates, but Kanye is a relatively young and healthy tall man in good shape, which would give him an edge over a tiny woman. I'm not really a fan of him and don't really follow him, so I'm not sure what sort of training he has, but I read somewhere that he apparently knows Karate. so he might know how to fight. Tulsi would have to rely entirely on technique and strategy against a larger man.

This bizarre train of though is perhaps the most meaningful thing I've seen discussed on this thread since the election took place. Celebrity Death Match politics is at least fun to imagine.

[rawma]

My vote mattered, in combination with another 81 million plus voters; that's why we have President-elect Joe Biden.

Do you actually vote in any large scale elections? I have voted in minor elections with only candidates who were unopposed, as a matter of civic involvement.

It's interesting how this doesn't actually address Pat's point. It merely reasserts the notion that votes matter, as an article of faith (since you didn't prove it), then clapback with a value judgement about civic involvement, while bringing up unopposed candidates--which if anything reaffirm the notion that voting doesn't matter, since those candidates are basically guaranteed election, cuz no one can vote against them.

I find value in the act of voting, even when there's nothing really contested. And I'll extend the same question to you: do you vote in large elections?

I would be delighted if everyone on this site who believes Trump wuz robbed chose to never vote again, ever.

I do think that civic involvement has value beyond voting; volunteer for a worthy cause and make a difference in your community.

[rawma]

This woman is really into posting videos lately.

The woman in question is Cynthia A. Johnson, a Michigan legislator. Her previous video posted about here was taken out of context. I would not be surprised if the same were true of thw one EOTB now posts.
https://www.mediamatters.org/voter-fraud-and-suppression/trump-supporters-lobbed-vile-racist-threats-democratic-official-then

For instance, one of our bright citizens of our country, in Illinois, who happened to voicemail me — unknown, but guess what? FBI, state police, they found her.

So, this is just a warning to you Trumpers — be careful, walk lightly. We ain't playing with you. Enough of the shenanigans. Enough is enough. And for those of you who are soldiers, you know how to do it. Do it right. Be in order. Make them pay.

The context is that she was threatened, and one of the people doing so was identified by law enforcement; the warning to Trump supporters is about the legal consequences they risk. Also note that she's a state legislator in Michigan, where right wing terrorists wanted to kidnap and execute the governor, so it's probably harder to shrug off death threats.

By the way, the soldiers she asks, repeatedly, to "do it right" are allied activists; from a previous video:

But I wanted to share something with the soldiers — all you soldiers, soldiers of Christ, soldiers against racism, soldiers against misogyny, soldiers against domestic violence and domestic terrorism. Soldiers, rise. It's time for you to rise.

I personally think her militant tone goes too far, but I haven't had a hundred death threats directed at me in the past week.

[EOTB]

Yes, we all realize she's talking to Antifa.

I look forward to the FBI confirming the arrest of this person and prosecuting them.  No, I don't take the left's word for it any longer.  If the FBI found someone who threatened her and is prosecuting them it rather undercuts her apparent need to call on her allies, no?

[Shasarak]

This bizarre train of though is perhaps the most meaningful thing I've seen discussed on this thread since the election took place. Celebrity Death Match politics is at least fun to imagine.

Since Youtube has decided that we can not discuss the 2020 election fraud anymore then we have to do something to pass the time.

What we really need is for someone to try to defend Antifa, sorry I mean the allied activists.

[Pat]

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

That's my point.

Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.

The margin of human error doesn't show anything of the sort. Regular human error in counting doesn't change the *average* effect of a single vote. But you can say this about any collective action, down to the very smallest. Say, a friend of yours needs help to go to the hospital. You offer to take him - but someone else already volunteered. Did your offer not make a difference? I'd say yes, it still did.

This sounds like a purely emotional reaction from feeling depressed. "Oh, nothing I do matters." But when Trump won, did you feel the same way about voting? Little things add up, and small changes can make a difference. It can be hard to *feel* that emotionally, but it's true.

Yes, I felt exactly the same when Trump won. I felt the same when Obama won. And when Dubya won. And when Clinton won. I've felt exactly the same since I was old enough to vote. You're using emotional rhetoric to claim I'm making an emotional argument, but you're just projecting your irreason on me.

Your vote doesn't matter.

I believe that not because of feelings, but because of reason. Let's say you were eligible to vote in every single state and national election in the modern history of the US. Furthermore, let's say you voted in all of those elections. Since there are more than 5,000 state legislators (not even counting other positions), and we'll draw the line at 50 years, conservatively that means you voted at least a hundred thousand times.

In how many of those elections did your vote change the result?

I'm betting none. Zero. Zilch. There might be 1-vote margin if you're voting for the chair of a homeowner's association, or even in a local election. But even then it would be rare, and it just doesn't happen at the state or national level.

Your. Vote. Doesn't. Matter.

So at no point did your vote matter. That the margin of human error overwhelms your single vote by so much just adds insult to injury.

So why's there so much pushback when I point out such a self-evident fact? Because voting does matter, in the collective. Democracies are based on the consensus of the governed, which is expressed by voter participation. But if your individual vote doesn't matter, and will never matter, how do you get people to vote? Democracies cultivate the collective delusion that your vote really does matter.

But it doesn't.

[consolcwby]

This woman is really into posting videos lately.  "The Biden-Harris administration owes the city of Detroit...oh yes." 

https://twitter.com/pghowie3/status/1337138069506494465?s=21

Detroit? DETROIT?!! Ahhhhhhhhrrrrrggggg!!!!

[rawma]

Because voting does matter, in the collective. Democracies are based on the consensus of the governed, which is expressed by voter participation. But if your individual vote doesn't matter, and will never matter, how do you get people to vote? Democracies cultivate the collective delusion that your vote really does matter.

But it doesn't.

I am reminded of a story of a condemned prisoner sentenced to death; the judge declared "You will be put to death at noon on one of the next three days. But only if the actual day is a surprise, that you will not know until the morning of the execution which day your execution will be."

The prisoner contemplated; the execution could not be on the last day or he would know after noon on the second day. But then it could not be on the second day, for the same reason. And it could not be on the first day, either. So he concluded that he would not in fact be executed.

He was surprised when they took him out of his cell and executed him on the second day.

I would argue that your vote has a chance of having been the deciding vote in any election. Consider the IA-02 congressional election, certified at 196,964 to 196,958. You say a voter on the winning side had no effect because there were 5 other votes if they hadn't vote; I say that they had a one in 196,964 chance of being the vote that put victory over the top. Or even that they had a one in 196,964 share of the victory. Even the voters for the losing candidate can take something away, in that they had a share of preventing the winner from claiming a larger mandate. I suppose you can take some pride in having cancelled out the vote of some wrong-headed person on the other side.

The all or nothing nature of the electoral college does tend to discourage turnout; no point for candidates to advertise or campaign much in states they are certain to win or to lose, and no point for those voting for or against the certain winner to vote. The winning side needs enough voters to win, and the losing side should perhaps even discourage turnout until the moment is ripe for a stealth wave of turnout. A weighted popular vote would encourage engagement with more states and a push to get the most turnout.

But the simplest way to get more turnout is to pay people; a refundable tax credit if you vote. Colorado had an initiative for such a voting tax credit but it didn't get enough signatures to be on the ballot (the governor changed the signature gathering requirements because of the pandemic but a legal challenge struck it down, and presumably it was too hard to get enough in-person signatures by the deadline). (An example of timely legal challenges to election procedures, as opposed to waiting until the result to decide to challenge.)

I'm right now voting for another open beer.

[consolcwby]

You know, when someone threatens your life, your family's life, and your livelihood and then SHOWS UP AT YOUR HOUSE and tells you to PREPARE FOR YOUR IMMENENT DEATH, what would YOU do? Me, well, I start talking and never STFU! But but but it's JUST a conspiracy theory! There is NOTHING to worry about! Is it a good thing I had access to all those servers? Is it a good thing I did not do as I was told? Should all SHIPPING in the continental U.S. have been FUCKED with?... I wish I was a LARP!

To those disingenuous asses here, who cannot see the forest from the trees: Everything I have stated is as real as real can be. Why do you put up a fight against the TRUTH?? I feel sorry for Misty though. They ARE going to round up the Jews. They ARE going to end the diaspora this way. It is NOT safe for anyone here. Why can't you be reasoned with? Why can you not see THROUGH the lies and accept the TRUTH?! I truly feel sorry for you all. If we can end this properly, you will STILL have a voice. Why attempt to discredit and silence when so many will die??

I truly do not understand ANY of you.

Here is my reply to all the FUD being bandied about on MSM:
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Somebody uploaded some Dominion Voting Machine videos, check out all his stuff - it's VERY interesting indeed:
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1336888380940947457
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1336985434627325953

Appearently, there is a great probability the election was rigged on those machines! Those votes should be thrown out, if true!
They are still investigating this, though: https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-fd11ab2/media/abf7f8e763f88f38bf482086d58acfd5.Eo2Xf08U8AM848R

Disenfranchisement of Republicans, death threats, and fud. Rah Rah Rah! That's a Cheer for those who are completely invested in destroying innocent lives:
https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1336791798753206273
All of this coming from those who have profited from their public service:
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1337091852277837824

More states join Texas, as the courts falter:
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1337095294908035075

Think of the strategy,
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Casting and counting of ballots in violated  state law, which, in turn, violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution. Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors.
This should be successful when following the constitution, it then allows for what happens next. Remember the governors and secretary of state were making these changes, Why were they making these changes, because of COVID. So the Pandemic was used to create EO to change the election laws Why did Kayleigh show individuals violating their own pandemic EO?
Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 is really clear, and guess what there is nothing in the constitution that talks about a pandemic. What argument will they use, the pandemic argument, remember Kayleigh showing all these individuals on a loop, if you can go out to eat, take a vacation, get you hair done, go to a country club, do all these things while telling other they are lockedown, people can get out and vote. changing laws was done illegally and there was no need to change them!

AND WIN BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE:
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1336808579429527554
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1337021772869365760

Awfully convenient that the "breaking" federal investigation into Hunter Biden's "taxes" doesn't become public until the exact day all 50 states certify their election results.
18 states in this country know that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cheated. 18 entire states are standing up to the fraudulent Democrat party. This has never happened in the history of America. Media & tech are in overdrive trying to censor the truth. The Left is terrified.

And now, the truth is coming out about WHO is ordering the planning of killings and mass murders:
https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-fd11ab2/media/bbd2930e3d1aac383aebf52f50803d88.Eo3wKFmUYAAnKDz
Do you really think your family is safe from them? Do you think Muslims feel safe in China?

How far are these people willing to go? https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1337068249788411904

Those of you in the know, your time is coming! For the rest, due to your apathy, no one will save you but yourselves.