2020 Election Commentary

[rawma]

I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.

By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.

No, you have not.  But I think you will.

Police brutality: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-endorses-police-brutality
Secret police: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-deploying-secret-police-against-protesters-in-portland
Extrajudicial killings: https://www.businessinsider.com/video-trump-celebrates-polices-extrajudicial-killing-in-washington-2020-9

It's karma, not rawma, saying that you deserve to be on the receiving end of that kind of policing. You think your politics will shield you from it forever, but you are mistaken.

I want competent, honest policing with suitable oversight everywhere in the US, even though you don't deserve it, because the policing you deserve will harm many who do not deserve it.

[consolcwby]

I sure hope you get the sort of police you deserve.

By virtue of living in progressive communities, with substantial community involvement including myself, I have gotten the sort of police I deserve, thank you. I would like to extend competent, honest, professional policing to all communities.

No, you have not.  But I think you will.

Police brutality: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-endorses-police-brutality
Secret police: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-deploying-secret-police-against-protesters-in-portland
Extrajudicial killings: https://www.businessinsider.com/video-trump-celebrates-polices-extrajudicial-killing-in-washington-2020-9

It's karma, not rawma, saying that you deserve to be on the receiving end of that kind of policing. You think your politics will shield you from it forever, but you are mistaken.

I want competent, honest policing with suitable oversight everywhere in the US, even though you don't deserve it, because the policing you deserve will harm many who do not deserve it.

What? Like revenge killings, death squads, star chambers, and stepped tier laws? Sorry to inform you on this - but that is the very thing YOUR SIDE has done, mainly as a way to DE-LEGITIMIZE actual laws and practices. Remember: It was under OBAMA that we had "Free Speech Zones"/Cages, police militarization, taking permit money and then not allowing protests. IT WAS YOUR SIDE WHO DID ALL THIS! So, everything you have stated, whether you realize this or not, is a LIE. A big fucking lie.

But now we're all plague rats anyway. No longer human beings worthy of life. Come over my house little bitch and KILL ME!
I dare you, fucking POS.

[rawma]

This is exactly why we have recounts -- because we expect there to be some human error in the counts. And we can look and see that the recounts in any state never come up with the exact same number - because there is some margin of human error, usually between 0.01% and 0.1%. In Georgia, combining from all 159 counties, the 2020 recounts changed by around a thousand votes out of over 5 million cast, so around 0.03% change overall. Given 159 counties, there's bound to be some with more significant error in their recount, and some with less.

In a good-sized state like Pennsylvania, where roughly 6.838 million people voted, that means the vote will be off by 683 to 6,813. In other words, your 1 vote amounts to nothing compared to the wave of human error.

Yet another reminder that your vote doesn't matter.

No recount has ever swung the result by anywhere near 6813 votes in a statewide election. Typically the errors would cancel out, because they affect ballots for both sides equally (in any election close enough to bother recounting). For example, in Wisconsin, with only two counties being recounted, Trump gained 45 votes in Dane County and lost 132 in Milwaukee County. The error rate (177 out of the votes cast, or about 0.02%) is about double the change in the result (87 out of the votes cast, or about 0.01%), assuming all the errors in each county went in one direction. The error rate was probably higher, because different areas within each county likely had changes cancelling out.

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

But because there is no particular bias in the errors in counting, your single vote is just as likely to influence the outcome as in an election with a perfectly accurate count.

[rawma]

Police brutality: https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-endorses-police-brutality
Secret police: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration-deploying-secret-police-against-protesters-in-portland
Extrajudicial killings: https://www.businessinsider.com/video-trump-celebrates-polices-extrajudicial-killing-in-washington-2020-9

It's karma, not rawma, saying that you deserve to be on the receiving end of that kind of policing. You think your politics will shield you from it forever, but you are mistaken.

I want competent, honest policing with suitable oversight everywhere in the US, even though you don't deserve it, because the policing you deserve will harm many who do not deserve it.

What? Like revenge killings, death squads, star chambers, and stepped tier laws? Sorry to inform you on this - but that is the very thing YOUR SIDE has done, mainly as a way to DE-LEGITIMIZE actual laws and practices. Remember: It was under OBAMA that we had "Free Speech Zones"/Cages, police militarization, taking permit money and then not allowing protests. IT WAS YOUR SIDE WHO DID ALL THIS! So, everything you have stated, whether you realize this or not, is a LIE. A big fucking lie.

Well, even if something I said were incorrect, my not realizing that would make it a mistake, not a lie. But nothing I said is incorrect. So perhaps you can identify what you think is incorrect.

Regarding your litany of "revenge killings, death squads, star chambers, and stepped tier laws" (which I guess you think are bad? it's hard to tell) - these don't exactly seem to be common things in the United States, so you'll have to be more clear as to what you're talking about. The main revenge killings here seem to be capital punishment, which I oppose. Death squads in the United States, like the Compton Executioners? What star chambers exist? What are stepped tier laws?

Free speech zones date back a lot farther than Obama:

Though free speech zones existed prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush, it was during Bush's presidency that their scope was greatly expanded. These zones continued through the presidency of Barack Obama; he signed a bill in 2012 that expanded the power of the Secret Service to restrict speech and make arrests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

Don't get too excited about that last sentence; the Secret Service doesn't have that many agents.

Police militarization started much before Obama:

Created as part of 1997's National Defense Authorization Act, the 1033 program allows the Department of Defense to get rid of excess equipment by passing it off to local authorities, who only have to pay for the cost of shipping. (A precursor, the slightly more restrictive 1208 program, began in 1990.)

https://www.wired.com/story/pentagon-hand-me-downs-militarize-police-1033-program/

I don't know what "taking fees and not allowing protests" you mean; it seems there are plenty of protests and counter-protests anyway.

The Obama administration used consent decrees to rein in police department abuses; the Trump administration stopped that.
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/30/21281041/trump-justice-department-consent-decrees-jeff-sessions-police-violence-abuse

But now we're all plague rats anyway. No longer human beings worthy of life. Come over my house little bitch and KILL ME!
I dare you, fucking POS.

You seem to have mistaken me for the bogeyman under your bed.

[Pat]

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

That's my point.

Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.

[EOTB]

Since the first video was unacceptably ambiguous, she posted a follow-up

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1336911742815797248?s=20

[Ghostmaker]

Eric 'Nukem' Swalwell needs to be kicked off the Intelligence Committee.

One, because he's a fucking treasonous moron. Two, because I bet you top dollar he was banging China Fang.

[Trond]

Since the first video was unacceptably ambiguous, she posted a follow-up

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1336911742815797248?s=20

Wait, didn't you get the memo? It's the Republicans that are unhinged. The Republicans!

[rawma]

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

That's my point.

Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.

My vote mattered, in combination with another 81 million plus voters; that's why we have President-elect Joe Biden.

Do you actually vote in any large scale elections? I have voted in minor elections with only candidates who were unopposed, as a matter of civic involvement.

[VisionStorm]

The chances that your vote is decisive under a perfectly accurate count is infintesimal; elections are rarely decided by one vote and never over an entire state the size of Pennsylvania. So maybe you should just stay home in future elections.

That's my point.

Your vote doesn't matter. Voting is a collective delusion, an article of faith. The margin of human error is just another example of why.

My vote mattered, in combination with another 81 million plus voters; that's why we have President-elect Joe Biden.

Do you actually vote in any large scale elections? I have voted in minor elections with only candidates who were unopposed, as a matter of civic involvement.

It's interesting how this doesn't actually address Pat's point. It merely reasserts the notion that votes matter, as an article of faith (since you didn't prove it), then clapback with a value judgement about civic involvement, while bringing up unopposed candidates--which if anything reaffirm the notion that voting doesn't matter, since those candidates are basically guaranteed election, cuz no one can vote against them.

Even your mention of (presumed) "President-elect" Joe Biden reaffirms the pointlessness of voting, since he's the bland, senile war mongering corporate stooge the Democraptic party pushed into the ticket, along with his unpopular VP "top cop" attorney general POS who had to drop out of the primaries with zero votes, yet somehow still became VP (to a senile old guy who's probably gonna die or be declared incompetent to perform the duties of President before his first term is up). Neither of which are exemplars of actual progressive or "left-wing" values (whatever that even means anymore), but rather complete political creatures of the establishment. But they're the only option that the so-called "Left" had available, cuz that's the only choice the supposedly "Left" wing Democraptic party gave them, cuz Orange Man Bad.

All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.

[HappyDaze]

All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.

And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?

[Shasarak]

All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.

And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?

Cage Death Match.

[VisionStorm]

All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.

And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?

Cage Death Match.

^Beat me to it.

I was gonna say Gladiatorial Arena, but close enough.

[Shasarak]

All of these things exemplify how voting (and even civic involvement in general, to an extent) is a completely pointless exercise.

And how would you prefer to have our leaders selected?

Cage Death Match.

^Beat me to it.

I was gonna say Gladiatorial Arena, but close enough.

**High five**

[HappyDaze]

If we had gone that way, who do you think our President-elect would be (from the candidates that ran)?

Also, would it be tag-team with the VP candidates jumping in too?