2020 Election Commentary

[VisionStorm]

Oh, shit! I guess I never experienced shortness of breath, diziness or blurred vision (all indicators of lack of oxigen) from wearing a mask for prolonged periods of time cuz ONE guy briefly put on multiple masks and posted a video on twitter. #Pscience!

If you experienced those symptoms, you were either wearing the mask wrong (not surprising since you seem to be a moron) or you were wearing something inappropriate as a mask (also because you seem to be a moron). More likely though, you're just lying.

I use the same type of mask the guy is wearing on the vid (which they handed out a bunch of them for free early on where I live) and put it on basically the same way. But you claimed otherwise on the internet, and a single fucking guy (with a head that seems to be slimmer and smaller than mine, which I'm sure you'll say bears ZERO impact on how tight those things end up pressing on my face) did the super scientific test of putting them on for roughly a minute or so ONE time (without a control group or anything, or engaging any type of activity), so it must be true!

[VisionStorm]

Some of you aren't very bright. The COVID thread is that-a-way.

Dude, this isn't even about actual discussion. This is about clapback culture, hurling insults and confirmation bias. Expecting peeps to keep it on topic is just too much (plus these topics always get derailed anyways; the other thread also got derailed by election talk).

[Shasarak]

<caps lock on>THOSE ARE EITHER OLD OR DON'T MEAN A LOT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. <caps lock off> I'm more interested in the test of the voting machines. That can be independently verified.

Eh, the voting machines are just a red herring, signature checking already shows a 11% error rate which is enough to swing the election by itself.

[Shasarak]

suffocate themselves

How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?

[jhkim]

Sorry to hear about your cousin's father, consolcwby. My condolences.

I only wish I could be alive to HANG YOU ALL BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD – PARTICULARLY FOR WHAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ME AND MINE.
Ignore or trash the evidence. Or maybe WHINE about the AMOUNT OF PROOF, like Mr. Kim?
You look foolish doing so.

I hope you live a long and healthy life, but I still disagree with you. I have not seen anything that amounts to proof.

One thing that does concern me is shifting goalposts. Back in Reply #837, I tried to summarize the different claims as of a few weeks ago. I think it's important to review, because following up on claims shows about how well-verified the claims are. The earlier claims were:

1) The Antrim County glitch that caused 6000 votes to count towards Biden. I do not believe that this constitutes evidence of fraud. It was caught by cross-checks, and no one official has claimed that it was intentional fraud. That county is Republican dominated, and the local officials are Republican.

2) Crowder's video showing bringing a wagon and luggage into a building in Detroit where ballot counting is happening. There was nothing on video to indicate that either the wagon or the luggage contained ballots, or that either got into the ballot-counting area without being checked. This was later claimed as news media camera equipment, and the claims that it was illicit ballots don't seem followed up on.

3) A quote supposedly from a sworn affidavit of an election monitor in Michigan, posted by jeff37923, posted in Reply #691, claiming major problems in the process. The original posting of this was taken down, and I have seen no more publicity about it from conservative sites.

4) A statistical analysis from RedState author Scott Hounsell. I tried looking into it, but it didn't give any sources for it's numbers and doesn't seem to have any cross-checks by anyone else - and there still doesn't seem to be any backing or explanation now.

5) The claim that there were more votes than registered voters in Wisconsin, advanced by Brad, followed by the claim that it was ludicrous that 90% of registered voters had voted. I don't believe this claim is warranted or constitutes fraud. The initial claim was wrong, and the idea that 90% is ludicrous doesn't add up given that 2016 had 87% nationally.

6) The Benford's Law analysis claim. I don't have a conclusion yet on this. This at least gives it's sources as well as code - which is good. It claims a statistical anomaly, but it doesn't give a likelihood or explain why it chose the three districts that it did. This does not seem to have been followed up on as proof after countering mathematical claims, though I have not had time to dig into it myself.

7) GameDaddy's claim in Reply #789 that the odds of PA, GA, and AZ were 308 to 1 that it was valid. That calculation of odds is based on the assumption that each state's vote is a random throw, and that 3% for Biden, 50% for Biden, and 97% for Biden were all equally likely. I believe this is a false assumption - which Pat also backed up.

The countering claims regarding Pennsylvania postal worker Richard Hopkins. He at first swore that he heard his supervisor was going to backdate ballots, then when cross-examined by investigators recanted, then claimed that he was pressured to recant. However, he hasn't re-signed his original testimony, but a weaker version of his original claims that were circumstantial rather than direct admission.

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Those are the earlier claims. The new ones that I have looked into include:

9) Navid Keshavarz-Nia, who didn't directly witness anything, but testified as an expert witness analyzing data. But his sworn testimony cited the example of a non-existent county (Edison County MI). Maybe that was a genuine mistake and all the rest is accurate, but it raises significant doubts.

10) Melissa Carone, who was a contract worker with Dominion who testified to fraudulent ballot worker practice. I watched about a half hour of her testimony before the Michigan committee. Her claims involved a hard-to-believe method that Rep Johnson cross-examined her on - that workers would just reran the same ballot thousands of times in front of witnesses - and did not fit other testimony and evidence.

11) Lawyer Jacki Pick, who testified about the contents of the video of State Farm Arena. She was not herself a witness, but claimed to be representing direct witnesses - but I haven't seen their affidavits. However, she was contradicted by the Republican investigators and election chief about the facts there.

12) Thomas McInerny, who claims to have sources telling him that 5 soldier were killed in an Army Special Forces raid on a CIA-run service farm in Frankfurt.

13) Phil Waldron presenting an anonymous email sent to the Arizona legislature claiming fraud. While it could be true, an anonymous email is so easy to falsify that it cannot be treated as serious evidence.

14) Matt Braynard who posted a video analyzing election security, but he does not claim that Trump won the election. He had promised a white paper, but I have not seen such posted yet.

[jhkim]

Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!

What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?

He's referring to tomorrow ( Dec 8 ), which is legally the "safe harbor" within federal law for the states selecting electors. The electors will meet and vote next Monday (Dec 14), but tomorrow is the federal deadline for challenging electors.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election

[Trond]

suffocate themselves

How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?

Only after his next video on how to drink soup through your mask.

[VisionStorm]

suffocate themselves

How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?

Assuming that this creature actually knows 10 people, that at least one of them owns a hot tub, and that they'll actually have him (it? xer?) over and let it get in, is giving it too much credit.

suffocate themselves

How long until this guy tweets out video of himself in a hot tub with 10 other people?

Only after his next video on how to drink soup through your mask.

People that claim that you can't drink soup through your mask are obviously wearing their masks wrong (cuz they're dipshits and morons), or most likely just lying. I know this cuz I claimed this on the internet, in lieu of an actual argument or refutation. So you know this has been 100% factchecked as accurate information.

[Mistwell]

Patriotism =/= partisanship.

We're so far past any delusion that today's leftists have anything in common with their Democrat counterparts even two generations ago. ne awake to plot your personal chess moves.

Biden IS a Democrat from two generations ago! In fact, I'd say from more than two generations ago. I've watched him run for President since the 80s. I think it's why so many Trump supporters want to play the senile card on him (despite his age being not that far off from Trump himself) is they badly need people not remembering that he's as standard a Democrat as they come from the era when standard Democrat wasn't radical in any way. Mondale, John Glenn, Alan Cranston, Bill Bradley, Gephardt, Gary Hart, they're all similar to Joe Biden.

Democrats two generations ago were taking Chinese money and covering up for their crackhead children? Huh. Whodathunkit.

I can't speak to Chinese money but covering up for embarrassing family members is a tried and tested long standing activity for all politicians of any political party for hundreds of years.

Have we really forgotten Billy Beer?

[Mistwell]

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The leftest masturbation continues.....

Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...

I do sometimes wonder about SHARK's apparent obsession with men who suck penises as a way of expressing his angst.

[Tubesock Army]

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The leftest masturbation continues.....

Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...

I do sometimes wonder about SHARK's apparent obsession with men who suck penises as a way of expressing his angst.

The one who's screamin' is usually the one who's on fire, I always say.

[jeff37923]

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The leftest masturbation continues.....

Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...

For us, it's a forum. For you, rawma, HappyDaze, Mistwell, and jhkim it is a booth at a porn shop where you can jack off to your favorite fantasies.

[VisionStorm]

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The leftest masturbation continues.....

Between your obsession with masturbation and SHARK's ceaseless use of the term, "cock-sucking", I'm beginning to wonder if this is a forum or a bath house...

I do sometimes wonder about SHARK's apparent obsession with men who suck penises as a way of expressing his angst.

I don't think I've ever seen SHARK specify their gender. How do you know every single one of those people identify as men? That's awfully sexist and transphobic of you! 

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Dan Bongino discusses the Georgia State Farm Arena video, and shreds the alleged "debunking". Lead Stories, leftist "fact checkers" are morons. Lots of other political discussion as well. Good program!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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[Ratman_tf]

Happy Safe Harbor Eve to President-elect Biden and a grateful nation!

What the heck is a safe harbor eve? Is that some Canadian holiday?

He's referring to tomorrow ( Dec 8 ), which is legally the "safe harbor" within federal law for the states selecting electors. The electors will meet and vote next Monday (Dec 14), but tomorrow is the federal deadline for challenging electors.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election

Ah, it was a sad little trolling attempt then. Gotcha.