2020 Election Commentary

[jhkim]

Try this one.  Not quite as sharp because it's a video of someone recording their TV, but same content, still sharp enough.  Retweeted by a congressman so maybe twitter won't nuke the account

https://twitter.com/congressmanhice/status/1334609467703521283?s=21

The video itself shows nothing significant without the witness testimony about who this is and what is going on. I can't tell from the video that these are even voting machines and ballots. It's just a bunch of people walking around some cluttered desks. If the testimony about what this represents is true -- and the video is confirmed to be genuine footage of the poll workers, then yes, this is significant and should be prosecuted.

There is more complete video of the testimony here:

https://www.johnscreekpost.com/fraudulent-voting-security-video-of-fulton-county-georgia/

It looks like this was just posted today. I would look forward to hearing about some checks into what is being said.

[EOTB]

I think Rep Johnson seemed quite reasonable that multiple entries like this would result in an obvious discrepancy between the machine and the poll counts. She also claims there were zero registered voters in the poll books, which Rep Johnson disputed - and that's a matter of public record which can be checked.

How is the poll count sausage made?  I don't know and couldn't find it online - which isn't to say it isn't there.  But I would be curious if the poll counts are objective, not created or influenced in any way by the same poll workers scanning the ballots.  (or anyone else who could match up the count after the fact)

Also: she didn't say "there were zero registered voters in the poll books".  When she was discussing one aspect of what she saw, she said zero of that particular set of votes were in the poll books, because the voter had to be manually entered into the system (just as is done for provisional ballots). 

Edit - for clarification, the particular votes she was discussing weren't of the provisional type - I believe they were absentee - and so shouldn't have required using the provisional process.

[Trond]

Coming from Crowder, this is probably one-sided info, but it sure does not sound good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE

[jhkim]

I think Rep Johnson seemed quite reasonable that multiple entries like this would result in an obvious discrepancy between the machine and the poll counts. She also claims there were zero registered voters in the poll books, which Rep Johnson disputed - and that's a matter of public record which can be checked.

How is the poll count sausage made?  I don't know and couldn't find it online - which isn't to say it isn't there.  But I would be curious if the poll counts are objective, not created or influenced in any way by the same poll workers scanning the ballots.

I don't know for sure in Michigan, but in general, there are a separate set of records of *who* voted which is independent of the counted votes. The count of who voted is done by a separate set of people. In person, it's done by whoever greets the voters and has them sign in or whatever. For mail-in, it's the people who check the postmark and/or signature(s) of the official ballot envelope.

With any secret voting, the people who register the poll books do these are different than the people who count the ballots - because no one is supposed to know which ballot came from which voter.

The poll books are generally open. It's in the permanent public record exactly who the registered voters are and when they voted - the secret part is in how they voted, and no one should know that. So that poll count is very hard to manipulate, since every count has a registered name. If there are fake names on the poll book, they are there to see and verify.

I know in California, I can check on the status of my ballot. If my ballot wasn't received -- or if I see it was received when I didn't send it yet -- then I know that.

[EOTB]

For mail-in, it's the people who check the postmark and/or signature(s) of the official ballot envelope.

This is the part that matters, and why poll counts can't be considered a reliable cross-check.

[EOTB]

Filed under "big if true" - apparently one dominion machine in GA was taken and analyzed, determined that the machine did in fact flip votes (starting at 52:30 in the video).

https://youtu.be/HwL8EfOt2Ks?t=3149

If it's proven the machines can do it, and it did happen in the one machine analyzed, then all the shady post-election dominion machine scrubbing is even more suspect.  I will be very interested in what comes out of this.

[HappyDaze]

Coming from Crowder, this is probably one-sided info, but it sure does not sound good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE

That was interesting (and amusing too).

[jhkim]

For mail-in, it's the people who check the postmark and/or signature(s) of the official ballot envelope.

This is the part that matters, and why poll counts can't be considered a reliable cross-check.

I don't get what you're saying. Obviously, if enough people working at the polls and counts are all crooked and bent on fraud, then nothing works. Even if I go in person to vote, then the poll workers can just tear up my ballot as soon as I leave and substitute whatever they want. This has nothing to do with mail-in ballots or voting machines. If everyone working the system are blazenly fraudulent, then they can do it.

But this would mean a massively coordinated group involving hundreds of people in all the different disputed districts -- including people appointed or hired by both Democratic and Republican officials. If just *one* of those persons turns, the turncoat could easily have irrefutable evidence on everyone else.


For poll books, there is a list of names in the poll book that add up to everyone who voted for a given district. If there are 30,000 extra votes, then there have to be 30,000 extra names in the poll book. If the fraud-meisters just make up 30,000 names to add, then anyone can check the poll book and confirm that the names listed there aren't actually registered voters.

[EOTB]

If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.

if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check.  They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at the end.

No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it.  You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas).  If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system. 

Yes, we're talking about an what would have to be a massively coordinated  top-down group effort, driven state-by-state.  Have you been paying attention to the last 60 pages of posts?  We know elections are fixed like this all over the world.  It isn't spontaneous, spastic-but-completely-isolated decisions to defraud that give leaders 98% of the vote in large tranches of votes. 

"BUT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE THIS ISN'T NORTH KOREA".  Sure, it's just a 25 trillion dollar economy that every country in the world has a stake in being ran a certain way. 

Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls.  You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count.  You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after. 

[Mistwell]

5 days left until safe harbor day. All state election disputes—including court challenges and recounts—must be resolved by that date, in accordance with 3 U.S.C. § 5.

Electors vote Dec 14.

[SHARK]

Coming from Crowder, this is probably one-sided info, but it sure does not sound good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vjy3rCnmgE

Greetings!

Excellent video, Trond!

I am always amazed by how fraudulent, petty, and disingenuous Liberal Democrats are. Watching the video, the black woman Democrat Representative typically engages in character assassination, innuendo, and screaming like a fucking five year old when she doesn't get her way. When the Chairman requires her to follow order, and rules, and so on, the cunt bitch just continues to fucking lose it. She is constantly loud, shrill, and attempting to emotionally manipulate everyone around her, including the committee board.

All of these cock-sucking Marxists need to be ruthlessly crushed. I hope they get long prison sentences into oblivion for their swarmy, scheming treason, for their lies and deception. These scum are all filthy rats, chewing and whispering and scheming for the downfall of America.

These fucking racist, elitist, snot-nosed scum were the same way when I was in college, and before. Their world view never changes; their attitudes and responses to anyone that doesn't agree with them is always the same. Whether they are 15 and in high school, 22 in college, or 40 years old and in some government bureaucracy or position--they never change who they are. Always hateful, condescending, and petty and shrill when they don't get their way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[EOTB]

5 days left until safe harbor day. All state election disputes—including court challenges and recounts—must be resolved by that date, in accordance with 3 U.S.C. § 5.

Electors vote Dec 14.

"HAHAHA we can run out the clock and then its too late to change it even if a majority of people have lost all faith in what happened"

You keep telling people that misty.  It may not turn out as you smugly insist it must.  I'd think people who want Trump to go away would be most keenly interested in the people who support him truly feeling he lost fairly.  But it looks like your side is willing to rest its case on "too late to file" excuses instead.  Works fine for me.  There is always going to be a DAT (day after Trump).  And right now, how people feel about your team if DAT comes sooner than they'd want is...right about where I'd hope it was.

[rawma]

And Biden was grifting people to donate to his illegitimate "transition team". Lotta unwitting collaborators around.

Since Biden will become 46th President*, funding his transition does actually serve a real purpose, and the people who support it know that the incoming administration will function better from more preparation (e.g., in the area of vaccine distribution; there are many difficult problems of logistics, prioritization and developing trust, which will fall to Biden since Trump has largely checked out of his job). You seem to think contributing would be OK for a legitimate transition, or you wouldn't have qualified transition; and Biden's transition is legitimate, as recognized by the GSA Administrator appointed by Trump.

By contrast, Trump is soliciting donations supposedly to fight the election results, but most of the donations go to his PAC for future work and his supporters get weak legal cases that are swiftly thrown out (if they don't themselves withdraw them). And Trump doesn't have a good track record when it comes to running a charity legitimately, so the PAC may just fund his personal expenses (like paying fines from his numerous legal difficulties).

* Barring a number of rather unlikely events; the most likely is that Pence briefly becomes 46th and Biden is 47th.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Oh, there can't be a powerful, coordinated conspiracy of several hundred people, working over several key states, engaged in orchestrating a fraud to overthrow an election?

That can't happen?

With billions of dollars--trillions even--at stake, multiple companies willing to bankroll and fund activists, spies, and traitors, and whole companies eager to run a media deception game to muzzle the opposition and provide a helpful atmosphere to the principle traitors? That can't happen?

*laughing*

Some people need to get educated on what a "Color Revolution" is, and what it entails.

Oh, that's right...America has sponsored "Color Revolutions" around the world--Ukraine, Libya, Syria, and more. America is very good at unleashing Color Revolutions.

The Democrats have been resisting President Trump from day one. Every day, every week, every month, for four years they have engaged in resistance, lies, deception, fraud and corruption, all designed to defeat President Trump.

But somehow, in the 2020 Presidential Elections, these same unhinged, Marxist Democrats would never engage in fraud and corruption to steal an election?

We have seen the Democrats lie, scream, and seek to defraud America for four years. The 2020 Election is no exception. They are guilty as fuck, and the majority of America knows it!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[consolcwby]

If the hypothetical is that fraud is credibly cross-checked by poll counts, then the sum of the mail-in poll counts must be known and public before the tallying of the ballots by the other election workers starts.

if the poll count is simultaneous with the ballot counting, then it's completely irrelevant as a cross check.  They can come up with whatever poll count number they need at the end.

No, you don't need every single worker to be in on it.  You really only need whoever releases the final total of the local, and the state, poll counts to be in on it (edit - and only a handful of local poll count supervisors - like in the biggest urban areas).  If there's 524 individual poll books, and everyone knows the subtotal of only a portion out of 1 out of 524 local poll books that they reported up to the local poll count supervisor wearing the biden beanie, but takes the subtotal the entirety of the rest of their 1 local book not counted by themselves and also the entirety of the other 523 on faith, that's not some deeply-layered, hard-to-defraud system. 

Yes, we're talking about an what would have to be a massively coordinated  top-down group effort, driven state-by-state.  Have you been paying attention to the last 60 pages of posts?  We know elections are fixed like this all over the world.  It isn't spontaneous, spastic-but-completely-isolated decisions to defraud that give leaders 98% of the vote in large tranches of votes. 

"BUT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE THIS ISN'T NORTH KOREA".  Sure, it's just a 25 trillion dollar economy that every country in the world has a stake in being ran a certain way. 

Edit 2 - note this type of fraud would allow a legitimate voter to surely be able to look up their mail-in ballot and see that its counted...the fraud is in juicing the poll count to match fake ballots no one is going to look up because that voter is simply dead weight on the poorly-purged voter rolls.  You don't have to screw around with failing to input legitimate voters to juice a poll count.  You do all the legitimate voters legitimately, and then add the juice after.

Also, all you really need is one person placed into a position of authority , and approx. 65-87% of the population  would do as told (agentic state). This is why whistleblowers testimony is important - as well as hearings to vet them. For more info, see: https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
(On a side note, people being ordered to shelter at home due to covid has some with pre-existing mental disorders to experience https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/anxiety-another-name-pain/202001/dashed-hopes-the-pit-despair ).

All of this is designed to disintegrate the will to fight against the powers that be.