2020 Election Commentary

[HappyDaze]

The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?

[EOTB]

Interesting thought experiment from Macris

https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon

There are a couple of problems with Maxris's thought experiment.

1) Biden is not going to come after Trump when he is not President; there is no way that the Swamp is going to unleash that Kraken that will devour him as soon as he is not President.

and b) Trump is not going to cross the rubicon with his army, Trump is just neither a Caesar nor a Hitler.

I agree that it would really depend upon Trump.  And his desire to triumph over the elites through getting them to change their ways instead of being a wartime consigliere the last few years is not a leading indicator.  But if he rolls the dice, I do think the world changes forever.

[oggsmash]

The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?

I guess, it will likely end up the way ALL of history gets decided.  Not by how many people felt they were right, but by the ones who won the fight.

[SHARK]

Apart from the election: Mistwell's comments as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE who, like Reagan, believes we all need to move on from any qualms regarding bathrooms and who enters them, reframes the real issue with the election.

It isn't about Trump.  Entirely.

It's also about how for the 1st time in our lifetimes, we had a president who didn't feel like a fist-puppet for a global elite robbing us blind.  Trump is an expert at the use of soft power, but since the bureaucracy is largely immune to firing the bully pulpit isn't what it used to be.  Let's face it - he doesn't even control the executive branch.  This fact alone is why I feel largely resigned to eventual kinetic activities - the system has been used very well to legally place the system outside of voter control.  The presidency is the most powerful man in the world and the least powerful man in government simultaneously.  A single district judge can veto whatever the president tries to do, nationwide, for a couple of years out of a 4-year term. 

And this happened because the Republican party has become the pace-and-lead party.  if you're not familiar with pacing and leading as a concept, read about it: http://www.changingminds.org/techniques/general/sequential/pace_lead.htm

The republican role in the uniparty is to pace-and-lead you into accepting globalism.  Trump can win every single court case, take office in January on schedule, and if the Lincoln Party's of the world retain ideological power in the Republican party at large, it will not matter.  Trump's next 4 years will come and go, and the uniparty will absorb the delay like Russia absorbs the first year of an invasion.  That is how far the uniparty has placed the real levers of power from voter influence.

If Americans won't burn the republican party to the ground and make it go the way of the Whig party into historical irrelevance, while starting a new party that is opposed to everything that the Dems want and the Republicans pace and lead you towards - it isn't going to matter. 

Please.  Each of you.  Work in your communities to elect local officials, and then state officials, that come from your own ranks instead of those vetted by the republican party.  By the time we hear about them on the national stage they're already hopelessly corrupted.  You don't get a ticket to ride in the national show if they aren't very sure about your dependability to them. 

That's why Trump was so relentlessly character-assassinated.  He didn't have a ticket to ride.

And relentlessly primary existing republicans out of office.  If they're the "free market party" then that's the only rational response to their constant failure to do anything they say; the ratio of doing what they promise they'll prevent vs. doing what they promise when campaigning should be all you as an American need to see.

This is about more than stealing the vote.  As weird as it is to say that stealing the vote here is not the real concern.

Greetings!

Preach on, EOTB!

So spot on, man. "Pace and Lead" party as the Republicans. You know that's right!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[EOTB]

Thanks shark.

The most important thing to realize is they've created an office of the presidency that can do anything they want him to do, completely outside of the checks and balances we think are there (but aren't); but simultaneously one that can do nearly nothing that you elect him to do. 

Heads I win, tails you lose.

Outside of the 2017 tax reform, everything Trump did can be undone in weeks after he leaves. 

Again, by design.  And this will continue so long as the pace-and-lead GOPe (the Lincoln Project's allies) continues to hold power we give them.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Cock-sucking Democrats being charged with Federal Voter Intimidation charges for threatening Republicans in MICHIGAN! The state shall not be certified for Biden!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Spinachcat]

I believe Trump's second term is going to be even more fun than his first term.

[Ghostmaker]

Greetings!

Cock-sucking Democrats being charged with Federal Voter Intimidation charges for threatening Republicans in MICHIGAN! The state shall not be certified for Biden!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

But not just any Republicans. The Wayne County election board members have rescinded their votes and signed an affidavit stating they were the targets of intimidation.

One scrofulous lowlife, Abraham Aiyash, was even accused of doxxing a member's children. Which is entirely plausible, considering the tendency of radlefties to go for easy targets.

[Abraxus]

Guilty.
Welcome to Internet message boards? You think people are "considerate" here?

You really are gas lighting disingenuous troll. Again stop with the victim complex. I am all for having someone come into debate an opposing viewpoint. Not when they pretend to be an idiot. Again using the example about the Thirty Sword Lesbians you knew full well the response that kind of rpg would have from us. It's not the first time we talked negatively about an SJW rpg and you know it. Many of those times you came into the other threads to get on our cases for daring not to support similar rpgs. Now all of sudden you want to try and be disingenuous and pretend to go "everybody I'm clueless about the topic no really I am". You were too lazy to read up on the topic came into to thread to topic thinking no one would notice. Nice try but no one believes that anymore.

In any case you want to keep playing the victim and look like an idiot it's fine by me. After all you come off as being disingenuous and troll. I may not agree with say HappyDaze at least he has self respect to not try to pretend to be an idiot when discussing topics on a forum.

[KingCheops]

Even Dan fucking Crenshaw is objecting to the troop withdrawals.  Pace and lead indeed.

Just the fact that there exists a picture of a Father and his son born after the start of Afghanistan deploying to Afghanistan together indicates that America has been there too long.  Gotta protect those CIA slush funds from the opium fields.

[Ghostmaker]

Even Dan fucking Crenshaw is objecting to the troop withdrawals.  Pace and lead indeed.

Just the fact that there exists a picture of a Father and his son born after the start of Afghanistan deploying to Afghanistan together indicates that America has been there too long.  Gotta protect those CIA slush funds from the opium fields.

I respect Crenshaw for his service, but he's just wrong on this. I hope his motivations stem from 'I don't want my buddies to have died for nothing', which is understandable.

But the fact is that we've been there for twenty fucking years. I grok the drive to 'build democracy' and what not. But the even uglier fact is that unless you are willing to go full ham (as we did in Japan), you're not going to build a democracy (or anything vaguely resembling it) in that part of the world. The people there have not socially evolved much beyond the tribal mentality and it shows.

And before someone cries 'dat's rayciss!' -- how? How is it racist to say 'their culture simply isn't ready'? I don't hate these people, except for the real loons who think blowing themselves up (along with innocent bystanders) is a great idea. But unless we bring the hammer down Roman Empire style on them -- to an extent that I think it would violate our OWN laws on war, let alone the U.N. -- we cannot 'fix' them. They have to find out the lessons themselves -- or continue as they are.

[HappyDaze]

Even Dan fucking Crenshaw is objecting to the troop withdrawals.  Pace and lead indeed.

Just the fact that there exists a picture of a Father and his son born after the start of Afghanistan deploying to Afghanistan together indicates that America has been there too long.  Gotta protect those CIA slush funds from the opium fields.

I respect Crenshaw for his service, but he's just wrong on this. I hope his motivations stem from 'I don't want my buddies to have died for nothing', which is understandable.

But the fact is that we've been there for twenty fucking years. I grok the drive to 'build democracy' and what not. But the even uglier fact is that unless you are willing to go full ham (as we did in Japan), you're not going to build a democracy (or anything vaguely resembling it) in that part of the world. The people there have not socially evolved much beyond the tribal mentality and it shows.

And before someone cries 'dat's rayciss!' -- how? How is it racist to say 'their culture simply isn't ready'? I don't hate these people, except for the real loons who think blowing themselves up (along with innocent bystanders) is a great idea. But unless we bring the hammer down Roman Empire style on them -- to an extent that I think it would violate our OWN laws on war, let alone the U.N. -- we cannot 'fix' them. They have to find out the lessons themselves -- or continue as they are.

I don't know if I'd say "the people there" as much as the society there. If you get those people out of that society, they can (and some do) adopt other views (though some of them do not, and this creates problems of its own). I do agree though that transforming that society would require actions that violate a lot of things. Without doing so, they don't appear to be developing into anything compatible with Western culture anytime soon (if at all). This creates a real problem with continued peaceful coexistence (an ideal goal) and really leaves only two options: isolation or destruction (likely through forced assimilation, as that's somewhat less objectionable than genocide). I wish that there were another way, but history hasn't shown one.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Release the KRAKEN!!!!

Salty Cracker discusses the recent press conference held by the Trump Campaign.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shasarak]

Ah, Afghanistan.  Famously where Empires go to die.

But I am sure this time will be different.

[rawma]

The will of the people must be enforced, and those that seek to undermine and corrupt the will of the people should be brought to justice.

Does the will of all of the majority of the people have to be enforced or just the will of the side you feel is right?

Apparently around here it doesn't extend to the majority that voted for Joe Biden.

You remember, the man who will be President in a couple of months, if Donald Trump's enablers don't destroy the country in the meantime.