Quote from: mudbanks on January 08, 2022, 05:46:41 AM
Tiny Dungeons. I would not have believed a game could be this bad, until I ran it. Not once, but twice. First time, I thought I might have misread certain rules. Second time, I made damn sure I got all the rules down. Nope it's still a pile of garbage.

What was so bad about it?

Okay. We got some good answers and reasoning.
-DragonBall Z: The Anime Adventure Game.
-Pirates & Plunder by Yaquinto.
-Cyborg Commando
-Alpha*Omega
-Burning Wheel
-Tiny Dungeons

I expected and got D&D 4e, because it wasn't really D&D, as such. I would include 4e, for that reason. I bought it to read it, just couldn't get into it. Too much "How to play a D&D-themed MMO, but on paper because the Internet went out." I didn't want to mention it in my initial post because I didn't want to bias the list with low-hanging fruit. 4e has plenty of detractors, even though I don't hate it, I just felt it was a waste of my time to read.
I would add FATAL because it's infamous. I have a PDF of it somewhere. I kind of want to see if I can skim some rule or something from it (not related to Anal circumference or dick size) just for the lol of having a bit of that DNA in my homebrew nonsense.

I'm not surprised if someone adds a Red-list game for who is attached, and knowing that a portion of the sales goes to so-and-so is a hard NO for them. But that doesn't make the game itself bad.

The worst thing on my shelf right now is Five Torches Deep. It just seems like a worse version of existing properties without adding anything I really enjoy.

I'd put the 5th edition of Legend of the Five Rings there.  The books do have gorgeous artwork, but they are an organizational mess, complicated further by gimmicky proprietary dice with symbols that aren't easily distinguished on the fly.  The rules are simply awful, as they tried to make it both a story game and add tactical grit with partial successes and the like that have you constantly reaching for the rulebook to figure out what just happened.  This is made even worse with the SJW tetsubo they hit you over the head with.  Sidebars include all manner of cultural sensitivity warnings and modules include sidebars with trigger warnings because they depict heterosexual relations therein!  They utterly destroyed a once rather interesting game, albeit one that always suffered from mechanical issues IMHO.  It should have been retitled "Snowflake Samurai."

Quote from: Persimmon on January 08, 2022, 09:29:51 AM
I'd put the 5th edition of Legend of the Five Rings there.  The books do have gorgeous artwork, but they are an organizational mess, complicated further by gimmicky proprietary dice with symbols that aren't easily distinguished on the fly.  The rules are simply awful, as they tried to make it both a story game and add tactical grit with partial successes and the like that have you constantly reaching for the rulebook to figure out what just happened.  This is made even worse with the SJW tetsubo they hit you over the head with.  Sidebars include all manner of cultural sensitivity warnings and modules include sidebars with trigger warnings because they depict heterosexual relations therein!  They utterly destroyed a once rather interesting game, albeit one that always suffered from mechanical issues IMHO.  It should have been retitled "Snowflake Samurai."

Oh man ANOTHER massive disappointment for me. L5R is an amazing setting and has had a great card game and great tabletop games...and 5th Edition is an absolute disaster

I agree Burning Wheel just doesn't work so great. I only played it a little bit. I thought it would be fine, but it just never was.

I also thought Monte Cooks system, whatever it is called (Cypher System?), doesn't work as well as intended. It's not "terrible" but it definitely lacked some things I prefer in RPGs.

I agree with L5R 5th edition, the gameplay itself isn't terrible but the amount that they fucked up the lore makes it a terrible. Also the game is very hard to die on so basically they completely ditched its existing fans to cater to a completely new audience now full of sjws and the cringiest of weebs.

D&D 4th edition for having combats that take way to god damn long

Star finder... the only game I ever sold off because I hated it. It lacks creativity and its whole premise is "lol so random" and it plays like a loot piniata more than an rpg. Hand grenades are mildly inconvenient and laser guns tickle.

D&D 5e. It tries so hard to emulate 1e and fails miserably.

Vampire - it takes itself so seriously (rather, its fans do).

d20 Modern.  Class and Level based system with too much trying to be generic to fit every genre.

Quote from: 3catcircus on January 08, 2022, 03:23:39 PM
D&D 5e. It tries so hard to emulate 1e and fails miserably.

Vampire - it takes itself so seriously (rather, its fans do).

d20 Modern.  Class and Level based system with too much trying to be generic to fit every genre.

Yeah, to me D&D 5e is "The Rise of Skywalker" of D&D editions in every way...

Quote from: mudbanks on January 08, 2022, 05:46:41 AM
Tiny Dungeons. I would not have believed a game could be this bad, until I ran it. Not once, but twice. First time, I thought I might have misread certain rules. Second time, I made damn sure I got all the rules down. Nope it's still a pile of garbage.

Im also curious on your problems with tiny dungeons.

Quote from: Ocule on January 08, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
I agree with L5R 5th edition, the gameplay itself isn't terrible but the amount that they fucked up the lore makes it a terrible. Also the game is very hard to die on so basically they completely ditched its existing fans to cater to a completely new audience now full of sjws and the cringiest of weebs.

D&D 4th edition for having combats that take way to god damn long

Star finder... the only game I ever sold off because I hated it. It lacks creativity and its whole premise is "lol so random" and it plays like a loot piniata more than an rpg. Hand grenades are mildly inconvenient and laser guns tickle.

Starfinder is a shitty attempt to create a tabletop Destiny-style looter-shooter. It's absolutely soulless, unimaginative and awful

Quote from: 3catcircus on January 08, 2022, 03:23:39 PM


d20 Modern.  Class and Level based system with too much trying to be generic to fit every genre.

Oh man I loved d20 Modern!

Quote from: Mistwell on January 08, 2022, 11:39:13 PM

Quote from: 3catcircus on January 08, 2022, 03:23:39 PM


d20 Modern.  Class and Level based system with too much trying to be generic to fit every genre.

Oh man I loved d20 Modern!

I can't believe I that Mistwell and I agree on something! I could explain my love for D20M, but it that would be better in a thread called "Games you love that everyone else hates."

Quote from: Persimmon on January 08, 2022, 04:10:06 PM

Quote from: 3catcircus on January 08, 2022, 03:23:39 PM
D&D 5e. It tries so hard to emulate 1e and fails miserably.

Vampire - it takes itself so seriously (rather, its fans do).

d20 Modern.  Class and Level based system with too much trying to be generic to fit every genre.

Yeah, to me D&D 5e is "The Rise of Skywalker" of D&D editions in every way...

It's funny how everyone seemed to love 5e when it came out, but now it's 4e v2.

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 07, 2022, 09:03:04 PM

Quote from: DM_Curt on January 07, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
I'm curious what your picks are, and why.
Your reasons could be anything, from poor writing, bad mechanics, dumb concepts, political preaching, associations with writers you can't stand, Anal Circumference Tables, etc.

D&D 4th Edition, because it claimed to be D&D; while changing the lore, the rules, the PC roles, and the entire experience of playing D&D.  The very next edition reverted to the 3rd Edition lore, and tried to pretend that 4th Edition never happened.

It's also the only edition that caters to D&D's roots as a wargame, doesnt pretend to be fake, and nails exactly what D&D truly is, which is a game all about kicking ass, exploring dungeons and adventure sites, taking treasure, gaining power, selling loot, killing monsters, and actually gives Players some real fucking say in how combats play out without needing to ask the DM for permission to do anything. It also has more non-combat systems than any other edition except for probably AD&D 1e.

Quote from: RebelSky on January 09, 2022, 02:01:35 AM

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 07, 2022, 09:03:04 PM

Quote from: DM_Curt on January 07, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
I'm curious what your picks are, and why.
Your reasons could be anything, from poor writing, bad mechanics, dumb concepts, political preaching, associations with writers you can't stand, Anal Circumference Tables, etc.

D&D 4th Edition, because it claimed to be D&D; while changing the lore, the rules, the PC roles, and the entire experience of playing D&D.  The very next edition reverted to the 3rd Edition lore, and tried to pretend that 4th Edition never happened.

It's also the only edition that caters to D&D's roots as a wargame, doesnt pretend to be fake, and nails exactly what D&D truly is, which is a game all about kicking ass, exploring dungeons and adventure sites, taking treasure, gaining power, selling loot, killing monsters, and actually gives Players some real fucking say in how combats play out without needing to ask the DM for permission to do anything. It also has more non-combat systems than any other edition except for probably AD&D 1e.

Are you describing 4E or 5E?