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Touched By A Devil. Yes, That Way.

Started by James Gillen, August 21, 2013, 03:02:34 AM

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James Gillen

#60
August 26, 2013, 12:23:55 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;685419That is one of the things I like about it. It looks sterotypical on the surface, but when you start to drill down into it, you find that it is more complex and likely in a fantasy setting. Really, in a world where devils exist who trade in damned human souls as commodities, seducing a noble house into accepting an infernal contract was bound to happen with these results being the ones most suited to a variety of adventures based on the theme.

Well, that's why Lawful Evil can be more complex and intriguing than Chaotic Evil, and why the Ways of the Wicked third-party path pretty much requires you to be a Lawful Evil team for Asmodeus.  Now, I think it might be possible to run a Chaotic Evil game, but it would probably run more like the first half of A Clockwork Orange.  :D

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James Gillen

#61
August 26, 2013, 12:26:35 AM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;685317Indeed.

And the fact that it's so ham fistedly evil.  It's a country of Captain Planet villains for fucks sake.

What, an authoritarian religious crusade to enslave workers and despoil the countryside?

Oh.

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RPGPundit

#62
August 27, 2013, 03:19:05 AM
The thing is, outside of a planar campaign, I've never met anyone who wasn't an adolescent (or a mental adolescent) that wanted to play a tiefling.
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August 27, 2013, 03:26:05 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;685546Well, that's why Lawful Evil can be more complex and intriguing than Chaotic Evil, and why the Ways of the Wicked third-party path pretty much requires you to be a Lawful Evil team for Asmodeus.  Now, I think it might be possible to run a Chaotic Evil game, but it would probably run more like the first half of A Clockwork Orange.  :D

JG

Yeah, or the biker gang in Mad Max, or something like that. I suppose the best example of a bunch of Chaotic Evil dudes with PC potential would be the baddies in A Fistful of Dollars More, maybe. Classic CE bandits who backstab each other in the end, etc.

I don't really think most games starring a Chaotic Evil party would be a lot of fun though what with everyone being psychoes. A party of Neutral Evil folks, now, that could probably be a lot of fun, as could a Lawful Evil one. A Neutral Evil party would basically be a bunch of criminals out to make it big by any and all means necessary, and well, there's a bunch of high quality TV shows and movies like that with protagonists that could probably be described as "Neutral Evil" or "Lawful Evil"...

LibraryLass

#64
August 27, 2013, 03:39:33 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;685960The thing is, outside of a planar campaign, I've never met anyone who wasn't an adolescent (or a mental adolescent) that wanted to play a tiefling.

I gather, then, you don't play a lot of 4e.
Which I had already inferred, of course.
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flyerfan1991

#65
August 27, 2013, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: LibraryLass;685966I gather, then, you don't play a lot of 4e.
Which I had already inferred, of course.

I take it that Tieflings are popular for playing Warlocks in 4e?

Archaeopteryx

#66
August 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;686244I take it that Tieflings are popular for playing Warlocks in 4e?

Those, as well as bards, wizards, and paladins.

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#67
August 27, 2013, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: LibraryLass;685966I gather, then, you don't play a lot of 4e.
Which I had already inferred, of course.

Had to many fiddly bits for me. Then again, I was expecting it to be more like Star Wars Saga.

flyerfan1991

#68
August 27, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Archaeopteryx;686254Those, as well as bards, wizards, and paladins.

Paladins?  Tiefling Paladins?

James Gillen

#69
August 28, 2013, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;686295Paladins?  Tiefling Paladins?

It's not unfeasible.  IIRC, 4th Edition gives Tieflings a Charisma bonus, which works just as well for Paladins as Warlocks.

JG
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-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

Evansheer

#70
August 28, 2013, 12:59:10 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;686320It's not unfeasible.  IIRC, 4th Edition gives Tieflings a Charisma bonus, which works just as well for Paladins as Warlocks.

JG

And it's a pretty popular thematic combination in Pathfinder too.  One of their LG demigods is basically a tiefling paladin.

flyerfan1991

#71
August 28, 2013, 06:16:50 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;686320It's not unfeasible.  IIRC, 4th Edition gives Tieflings a Charisma bonus, which works just as well for Paladins as Warlocks.

JG

Yeah, but the backstory of Tieflings is that a lot of them say "screw it" to the gods and devils and instead make their own way in the world.

Bill

#72
August 28, 2013, 07:47:44 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;686295Paladins?  Tiefling Paladins?

I can see a tiefling paladin that seeks to atone for the sins of their ancestors.

Or struggles constantly to control the evil within them by being a Paladin.

flyerfan1991

#73
August 28, 2013, 07:57:08 AM
Quote from: Bill;686392I can see a tiefling paladin that seeks to atone for the sins of their ancestors.

Or struggles constantly to control the evil within them by being a Paladin.

Oh great.  As if regular Paladins weren't insufferable enough, now we've got Emo Paladins.

(And I say that as someone who used to play Paladins before graduating to Clerics.)

Bill

#74
August 28, 2013, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;686393Oh great.  As if regular Paladins weren't insufferable enough, now we've got Emo Paladins.

(And I say that as someone who used to play Paladins before graduating to Clerics.)

Well, some of us like paladins. Better than a murder hobo.

I have seen more insufferable characters, and emo characters that were not paladins.
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