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Touched By A Devil. Yes, That Way.

Started by James Gillen, August 21, 2013, 03:02:34 AM

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LibraryLass

#15
August 21, 2013, 09:04:55 AM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;684030Nentir Vale was the only good thing to come out of 4e. I was really saddened when they announced cancelation of the setting book they had planned...

Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see it for 5e either...

Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up.

I dunno about the only, though-- I think the Warlock and Warlord were pretty solid archetypes that I'd like to see live on. Well, I suppose the Warlock was in 3e but I think it was conceptually kind of different there, it took a while to find its resonance, you know?
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#16
August 21, 2013, 09:07:16 AM
I'll agree to buy 5E if they agree to remake Red Hand of Doom.

flyerfan1991

#17
August 21, 2013, 11:51:22 AM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;684030Nentir Vale was the only good thing to come out of 4e. I was really saddened when they announced cancelation of the setting book they had planned...

Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see it for 5e either...

I honestly liked what they were doing with the Nentir Vale.  While it wasn't exactly the same, it had that same sandbox vibe that I got out of Keep on the Borderlands and the B/X sets.  That said, I did like the setting more than the game itself.

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#18
August 22, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
Tieflings always bugged me, they struck me as sophomoric.  I can just picture some spotty gothy adolescent saying (in a slightly whiny voice) "I want to play a tiefling because they're dark, but not totally dark. I can pretend to be a haunted loner and slightly evil without actually going all the way. Plus they're generally beautiful and persecuted, not ugly and persecuted like a half orc".

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August 22, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;684577Tieflings always bugged me, they struck me as sophomoric.  I can just picture some spotty gothy adolescent saying (in a slightly whiny voice) "I want to play a tiefling because they're dark, but not totally dark. I can pretend to be a haunted loner and slightly evil without actually going all the way. Plus they're generally beautiful and persecuted, not ugly and persecuted like a half orc".

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I can see your POV (but when I was a teen who wanted to play that stuff I did play a half-orc :D)

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#20
August 22, 2013, 05:25:54 PM
They're the dhampyrs of the demon world. "Look, mortal, upon my ancient lineage and tremble! :cool: ... Daddy never really loved me! :("

Conceptually interesting, but must be very selective of the players I'd let play one.
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#21
August 22, 2013, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;684577Tieflings always bugged me, they struck me as sophomoric.  I can just picture some spotty gothy adolescent saying (in a slightly whiny voice) "I want to play a tiefling because they're dark, but not totally dark. I can pretend to be a haunted loner and slightly evil without actually going all the way. Plus they're generally beautiful and persecuted, not ugly and persecuted like a half orc".

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I've had one or two players try that at my table. Fortunately, I have a rule, you're not allowed to play a character I find irritating. Also the reason I disallowed Malkavians.

flyerfan1991

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August 22, 2013, 10:08:15 PM Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 10:08:42 PM by flyerfan1991
Quote from: Warboss Squee;684625I've had one or two players try that at my table. Fortunately, I have a rule, you're not allowed to play a character I find irritating. Also the reason I disallowed Malkavians.

I was of the opinion that if you were going to allow 4e style Tieflings, then you ought to allow Incubi/Succubi as PCs too.

Why settle for halfway?

Imp

#23
August 22, 2013, 10:30:03 PM
I like the idea of an accursed race tainted with devil blood, but I've never really glommed on to any version of tieflings I've read.

I would certainly implement them as a people descended from an evil empire that went too far a long time ago, or something along those lines, not as "daddy was a demon and mommy was pretty" or anything like that.

JeremyR

#24
August 23, 2013, 12:13:26 AM
Merlin was a tiefling (well, cambion, actually) and he was pretty normal looking, AFAIK.

OTOH, you had Caliban from The Tempest. He really wasn't.

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#25
August 23, 2013, 12:34:16 AM
Quote from: flyerfan1991;684640I was of the opinion that if you were going to allow 4e style Tieflings, then you ought to allow Incubi/Succubi as PCs too.

Why settle for halfway?

It really comes down to the player. Play what you want within the constraints of the setting, but as soon as they get disruptive and try to pull that 'special special snowflake it's all about me' bullshit, they either play something different or they don't play.

You want to play the good renegade Drow, fine. Hell, a half demon or a Tiefling, fine. Just don't fuck up everyone else's fun. Sadly, most of the people I've gamed with couldn't do it.

Rincewind1

#26
August 23, 2013, 12:59:56 AM
Quote from: Warboss Squee;684670It really comes down to the player. Play what you want within the constraints of the setting, but as soon as they get disruptive and try to pull that 'special special snowflake it's all about me' bullshit, they either play something different or they don't play.

You want to play the good renegade Drow, fine. Hell, a half demon or a Tiefling, fine. Just don't fuck up everyone else's fun. Sadly, most of the people I've gamed with couldn't do it.

I've played once a mean renegade Drow, though he was CN (sometimes quite close to NE) :D. The campaign ended gloriously with us storming the drow city, me gaining the throne, and rewarding party members with riches or places in court (depending on their preferences). Particularly fun was our Battle Mage, fanatic of Kossuth, who demanded access to the potent volcano near the city...let's just say he was a problem later on, in the next campaign.
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#27
August 23, 2013, 02:43:08 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;684577Tieflings always bugged me, they struck me as sophomoric.  I can just picture some spotty gothy adolescent saying (in a slightly whiny voice) "I want to play a tiefling because they're dark, but not totally dark. I can pretend to be a haunted loner and slightly evil without actually going all the way. Plus they're generally beautiful and persecuted, not ugly and persecuted like a half orc".

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Well, it'd be just as plausible to play a half-Drow.

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#28
August 23, 2013, 04:47:27 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;684577Tieflings always bugged me, they struck me as sophomoric.  I can just picture some spotty gothy adolescent saying (in a slightly whiny voice) "I want to play a tiefling because they're dark, but not totally dark. I can pretend to be a haunted loner and slightly evil without actually going all the way. Plus they're generally beautiful and persecuted, not ugly and persecuted like a half orc".

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#29
August 23, 2013, 04:52:54 AM
Quote from: Imp;684652I like the idea of an accursed race tainted with devil blood, but I've never really glommed on to any version of tieflings I've read.

I would certainly implement them as a people descended from an evil empire that went too far a long time ago, or something along those lines, not as "daddy was a demon and mommy was pretty" or anything like that.

I agree that "accursed race descended from ancient empire that went too far" is a way stronger concept than "daddy was a devil". It's the thing about 4e tieflings that's actually cooler than earlier concepts.

I'd still prefer their looks to vary individually, rather than all having ridiculous dinosaur tails and oversized horns and sillyness like that. Individual looks actually helps with the "accursed race" thing too, since it'd mean many tieflings would find many other tieflings unattractive/scary looking, etc.
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