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Author Topic: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really  (Read 10276 times)

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Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« on: October 14, 2020, 05:29:43 pm »
Yeah, i know, another SJW rpg production, news at eleven. Apparently its PBTA ''queer swashbuckling''. I would give the link but im not advertising it, so if anybody is interested its on kickstarter. And its by Evil Hat, by golly what a combo. ''Thirsty Sword Lesbians provides clear, robust guidance and support for running the game, including how to make appealing adversaries, set the tone, structure play, and create a safe environment at the table.'' So, safe spaces are a must. One of the available settings is ''Monster Queers of Castle Gayskull''. Ok, i recognise He-Man has become a big of a joke these days but there is a new rpg using cortex system coming out, and to be frank i still like he man as it was supposed to be, a bit preachy series with a buff dude who saves people.

''This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. The team behind Thirsty Sword Lesbians supports racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation. We love and respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and women. This game is a joyous celebration of lives and identities otherwise marginalized. If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people'' Yeah, i would do heart surgery on myself before i played this yes but i just love how it marginalises all the other people it dosent include in the sentence before. This is what i have come to expect from evil asshat, yet im still interested in what they come up with, one can enjoy a lot of stuff without experiencing it as intended.

All in all, its a topic i thought i would like to share with this board. Why? Frankly i am interested in reactions and i find it funny to think somebody would want to play as a thirsty lesbian. Do lesbians play rpgs? Are they the target audience? And if they do, should we be against it or for it? Personally i dont care, more power to them. Rpgs are a niche crowd. Kickstarters are aimed at niche crowds. Yet somehow i feel this is not one of those cases. This product seems to be more woke that the average bear and it says ''no, we only want our people to enjoy this.'' The target audience in real rpgs are people, yes. Just people, all of them. So, in my opinion, they done goofed on their target audience, its a bigoted product.

If this post came out as a bit of obvious stuff, please bear with me, its a bit late here and im probably rambling. Still, i wanted to share my heart ::)

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 06:08:48 pm »
I got a notice about this because I backed the original Fate Kickstarter, and decided to rubberneck. One line jumped out at me:

" If you want to play thirsty sword cishets, we’re not going to stop you—just don’t be surprised if the game turns them queer."

   One could derive all sorts of Unfortunate and Problematic Implications from that ...

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 06:26:09 pm »
So, they are admitting that grooming is real. Good to know.

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 06:32:27 pm »
I came for the lesbians and stayed for the “WTF is this SJW shit?”

No thanks! I’ll just roll a female character in D&D and make her a lesbian instead. She doesn’t even need to be a fighter, I can make her any class I want. Could do it in other games too. Have done it as well. I could play a lesbian character in Cyberpunk 2020 or RIFTS (though, she’d get splattered by the MDC).

You guys knew you could do that in any game, right? Have been able to do it for decades! But apparently some people needed permission from Evil Asshat to play that in an RPG. Cuz apparently not explicitly saying so in the rules and making everything about “QuEeR LiBeRaTiOn” or some shit means that the game doesn’t acknowledge their existence or some other nonsense.

Did you guys know you can’t actually play straight characters in D&D? No edition has ever mentioned them—ever! That means that a characters in D&D are asexual by default or something by these people’s logic.

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 08:01:43 pm »
So are they giving it away for free as Fred Hicks declared money the root of all evil. Or is he being a hypocrite and asking people to still back the Kickstarter for the game.

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 08:12:32 pm »
I'm all for roleplaying hot lesbians, but I have my suspicions it'll be a bunch of fat ones.

EDIT: Yep...concept art proves me right

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2020, 09:15:39 pm »
Castle Gayskull?

Ohhh, I'm filing that one away for later.

Filing it under "R" for "Running Joke."


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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2020, 09:20:16 pm »
I am sure that this game will be the next big thing. 

[Actually I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw my medulla oblongata.]

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2020, 09:23:33 pm »
I also received the Kickstarter notice, and am not impressed with the tone of the rpg nor the manner in which it’s been advertised. The one thing I feel that should possibly be defended is the original creator, who I understand released their original version on itch.io(?).

I can understand the attraction of being approached by a larger rpg company and giving them the ability to release a ‘bigger and better’ version of it.

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 pm »
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2020, 10:03:33 pm »
I got a notice about this because I backed the original Fate Kickstarter, and decided to rubberneck. One line jumped out at me:

" If you want to play thirsty sword cishets, we’re not going to stop you—just don’t be surprised if the game turns them queer."

   One could derive all sorts of Unfortunate and Problematic Implications from that ...

cishets? That looks almost like is should be pronounced shits

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Re: Thirsty Sword Lesbians, no, really
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 11:10:52 pm »
Thirsty Sword Lesbians

Oh, yeah baby.  ;)

Thirsty Sword Lesbians in chain mail bikinis, I am sure Venger has an RPG for that.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2020, 02:36:49 am »
If people want to buy this game and enjoy playing it then good for them. There are a lot of games that I don't like for whatever reason, I don't play them. But I hope other people have fun with them. Simple as that.

Let other people who are not like you have fun playing the games they enjoy the way they enjoy them. Why do you care about people having fun role-playing? How does this game hurt you, in any way?

Why is this an issue for you all?
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2020, 02:51:43 am »
If people want to buy this game and enjoy playing it then good for them. There are a lot of games that I don't like for whatever reason, I don't play them. Simple as that.

Let other people who are not like you have fun playing the games they enjoy the way they enjoy them.

Why is this an issue for you all?
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

Happy to amuse you.  :)

On a more serious note, for me personally, if the LBGTQI+ lobby want to support a game and have fun that's fine.
No they're not forcing me to play the game......          yet.

Some recent kickstarter's have become rather blatant with certain statements, that phrased in a similar way but opposite way would be considered highly offensive to the LBGTQI lobby. I await a kickstarter that contains the statement 'No queers should play this game!', and survives unchanged to the end of its funding.

Edit: OK got to put my hand up to this and admit my memory was faulty. The information struck out was completely incorrect. The kickstarter I was thinking of was attempting to ban anyone (ie not supply any product) to anyone who was a jerk or spamming.
One LBGTQI aligned kickstarter had to alter its page after it was flagged as problematic to kickstarter for voicing similar sentiments to this one (can't remember its name, but I know that if I do some digging I could find it). About a month later this one comes along with similar sentiments. I await to see whether this is similarly modified.
This still leaves the question as to whether the statements about This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. If you don’t agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people. are hateful or not and actually are against kickstarter rules.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2020, 03:02:54 am »
If people want to buy this game and enjoy playing it then good for them. There are a lot of games that I don't like for whatever reason, I don't play them. Simple as that.

Let other people who are not like you have fun playing the games they enjoy the way they enjoy them.

Why is this an issue for you all?
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

Happy to amuse you.  :)

On a more serious note, for me personally, if the LBGTQI+ lobby want to support a game and have fun that's fine.
No they're not forcing me to play the game......          yet.

Some recent kickstarter's have become rather blatant with certain statements, that phrased in a similar way but opposite way would be considered highly offensive to the LBGTQI lobby. I await a kickstarter that contains the statement 'No queers should play this game!', and survives unchanged to the end of its funding.

One LBGTQI aligned kickstarter had to alter its page after it was flagged as problematic to kickstarter for voicing similar sentiments to this one (can't remember its name, but I know that if I do some digging I could find it). About a month later this one comes along with similar sentiments. I await to see whether this is similarly modified.
You have perceived harm based on your entitlement that all games need to cater to your desires.

Who really cares if an LGBT-pro game designer states that they want to make a game for LGBT aligned players?

The people who find that interesting and encouraging do. They deserve to be catered to and to enjoy games that are authored to support their interests.

Everyone else may not care... and that is fine. They are promoting their game to a specific market of people that they care about and want to provide a game experience for.

Why in the wildest f*ck would you care if you were not committed to that? Like what is the harm you experience that this game exists? I honestly don't get it.

Is it more than you just don't like it? Is there some real harm inflicted upon you by this game's existence?