Quote from: wmarshal;1083279I suspect that, after Stacy has launched diatribes against Evil Hat, Frog God Games, Lamentations of the Flame Princess, Diana Jones Award, GaryCon, Bundle of Holding and Steve Jackson Games (have I missed any?) within a relatively short period of time, the larger gaming community is concluding it's better to stay away from the zealotry she leads at Contessa. The zealots will always find fault with anyone they cast their eye upon, because the zealot can never find anyone perfect. Sooner or later she'll find a fault, and due to any past association with with the fallen she'll try to launch a crusade to make up for the past association with the now "unclean" offender. Better to keep Contessa at a distance.

Yeah, sooner or later it is hard not to recognise the pattern. "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Some of the people seem to be wising up.

Good to see Steve Jackson not giving in to blackmailers.


[edit]I will have to be That Guy and point out that 99% of adult males using cutesy pink avatars are mental cases. As a warning sign, it is a more accurate indicator than danger hair.

Quote from: wmarshal;1083258The scorpion will sting you every time.

And that's why you beat it to death with a boot.

Or deep fry it and make it a crunchy snack.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1083289Christopher Helton's tweets seem to go after any company that has males.

Greetings!

You know, if I recall correctly, Christopher Helton was some editorial writer for EN World. Who the fuck over there thought it was a good idea to have Chris Helton as a regular, official contributor?

I remember reading one of his articles over there about Webb, sexual harassment, blah blah blah. It totally threw me off of returning to post at EN World, honestly. It convinced me that EN World had become a fucking SJW nuthouse. It made me feel like I would be *unwelcome*, seeing that my world-view is very traditional and conservative.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I stayed away from ENW for a couple years. Recently Helton left so I went back. They mostly talk about RPGs again now. Just don't poke the hyenas and it's mostly ok.

Quote from: S'mon;1083311I stayed away from ENW for a couple years. Recently Helton left so I went back. They mostly talk about RPGs again now. Just don't poke the hyenas and it's mostly ok.

Uh huh   o_O

Quote from: S'mon;1083311I stayed away from ENW for a couple years. Recently Helton left so I went back. They mostly talk about RPGs again now. Just don't poke the hyenas and it's mostly ok.

Essentially saying that as long as one walks on eggshells we should be fine at Enworld is not exactly a positive endorsement for the site. Anytime one person or more gives me the above warning is a huge warning to stay the fuck away from the site.

Quote from: S'mon;1083311I stayed away from ENW for a couple years. Recently Helton left so I went back. They mostly talk about RPGs again now. Just don't poke the hyenas and it's mostly ok.

As I haven't been there before, what are the hyenas likely to consider poking?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1083302And that's why you beat it to death with a boot.

Or deep fry it and make it a crunchy snack.

While certainly wise with real scorpions I think you have to take care in doing the same with SJW scorpions. Unless it's 100% clear to a broad segment of the public that the SJW is being an ass, bringing the hammer down somehow on someone like Stacy can be twisted into an attack that causes some to feel sympathy towards her. Defend yourself, of course, from the attacks, but at least part of her is probably begging for someone to go overboard on Twitter and call her names, confront her at a con or otherwise oppress her. At this point it may be a decent analogy to liken Stacy and Chris to being a scorpion trapped in a glass jar with no air holes in the lid. Admittedly, that may also not be a great analogy, but I don't see any means at hand to really finish Stacy and Chris off other than the gaming community learning to ignore them aside from defending yourself from whatever accusations they make.

I just realized I left of Tenkar's Tavern from the list she's gone after. He's part of Frog God now, but she went after him before he joined the Frog Gods. I'll have to update the list.

Quote from: sureshot;1083318Essentially saying that as long as one walks on eggshells we should be fine at Enworld is not exactly a positive endorsement for the site. Anytime one person or more gives me the above warning is a huge warning to stay the fuck away from the site.

I don't post at ENWorld, but I don't think it's a bad idea to give a forum another try if it seems there has been a meaningful change to how the forum is ran, or a change in the community itself.

I also avoided Enworld while Helton's trollish editorials were a regular feature. Nice to know I wasn't the only one. I never really posted there and haven't started, but I am now reading there again.

ENworld turned to shit when Morrus took over.

Quote from: sureshot;1083318Essentially saying that as long as one walks on eggshells we should be fine at Enworld is not exactly a positive endorsement for the site. Anytime one person or more gives me the above warning is a huge warning to stay the fuck away from the site.

Yes, This. I remember a time when going on the Intenet and visiting gaming websites meant getting only slightly biased articles. That was back in the time their were actual editors at most gaming websites,. Editors that would review articles prior to publication to ensure the commentary and reporting was true, fair, or at least open and allowing counter-articles or opposing commentary, providing the commenters could remain civil and meet the same standards the website had, in their response.  

Those days are long gone with most media (including media in gaming circles) owned by just a few players with deep pockets, players who don't care about truth, or justice, or accuracy, or civility. These players unceasingly promote their unique agenda and block sharing any of their space with other folks that might not 100% agree with them. They want you to participate if they can control the entire narrative.

I just don't participate in these websites any more. some of the more prominent ones in gaming circles include EnWorld, RPG.net, Dragonsfoot, the WOTC forums in their continuous polymorphing manner where they try to reinvent themselves every few years only to be overrun by the storygamers and the sjws, and the 0D&D 74 Proboards (Whom have actually banned me, because I like talking about Early Judges Guild and RPGs and my actual experiences in running and playing these games don't line up with what they wanted my experiences to be). I'm not going to say what they want, I'm going to continue to speak of actually what happened, and what occurred, and who was involved in the early days of RPG gaming. Dave Arneson himself, in our meeting requested that I continue to do what I do, even after he is gone, to ensure that people would remember him and his significant contributions to RPG gaming and especially the development and release of D&D. While we had some significant differences of opinion about the release of AD&D beginning in 1978 and through about 1982 or so, me and Gary made our peace in the summer of 2006, and generally he was glad I was still a fan of D&D and no longer cared which version I preferred to play. The same cannot be said of these websites I have mentioned earlier. Here is a list of the offenses they have committed against me over the years.

EnWorld - Censorship of discussion content, public reprimands from the mods of my responses in posts (attempted humiliation), removal of posts deemed "inflammatory" (Wasn't what they wanted to hear... too bad, and shame on them.)

RPG.Net - Censorship of discussion content, removal and deletion of posts and entire threads (Not only things they did want to discuss in open forums, but just my style of discussion (anti-old-school). RPG.net is still owned by SKOTOS which was a small group of storygamers that decided more than two decades ago that they would and could control the entire narrative and development of new RPGs. I don't believe Skotos or RPG.net is inherently profitable, so someone is still pouring money into controlling the develop of gaming on their websites. They are also guilty of promoting the skewed interests and proclivities of the unjust and inflammatory sjw crowd that makes up their userbase there now. I'm just not interested in participating there on account of all of this.

Dragonsfoot - In recent years, they have dissed hard on the original group of creators that were a part of TSR, and don't even discuss 0D&D anymore, just 1e AD&D and later editions. I remember a time when anyone who wanted to talk about any later editions of D&D after 1eAD&D were unceremoniously shamed, dumped ,and excluded from participating. Now as they embrace the you are bad because you play the "badwrongfun" version of our favorite game,and they have jumped on the "You are evivvuuul" sjw train persecuting the very people who gave them a reason to have their forum in the first place. ...Shame on you, you European twits  for thinking that you can be the exclusive owners of 0D&D and 1eAD&D content. Guilty of censorshoip, bullying, and threatening behavior, removing 0D&D content and contributions, as well as being extremely disrespectful to all of the original TSR staff who helped them get their bulletin board going. They basically isolated the forums of the original TSR folks that were contributing, and moved them forums out of the main conversation channels. There are a lot of younger folks that are OSR fans there now, that believe they can make a better game (I don't hold that against them), They want to be Rock Stars (They haven't done anything original), andt they are removing, concealing, and hiding important original content there regarding several of the early editions of the game as well as the early history of TSR and other gaming companies. Shame on them!

WOTC -  Guilty of censorship of discussion content, removal and deletion of posts and entire threads (Not only things they did want to discuss in open forums, but just my style of discussion (they are vehemently anti-old-school, and only wish to discuss the current version of D&D whatever that is...). Guilty of removing historically valuable D&D content contributed by early edition fan multiple times over the years. The users there with the full support of the mods are guilty of making completely false accusations and attributions, WOTC users, with the support of the board mods there are guilty of intimidation, veiled threats, cyberbulling, gaslighting, and we are just talking about what they did to me there. They also really screwed over their entire d20/3e outside development folks when they stupidly attempted to close the open gaming license, they had released and developed by discontinuing their support of the d20 license website, and the OGL website, with the release of 4e back in 2006-2007. They also screwed up royally with the discontinuation of the print version of Dragon Magazine in 2007. This cost Lisa Stevens and Paizo (Who at one time were WOTC employees) over a million dollars, as they had to retool and refocus thier entire gaming business when they no longer had a magazine to publish because WOTC/HASBRO first made them subcontractors, and then they shut them down. Look at how much Paizo have earned over the last decade! Good on them for their hard work and dedication! Shame on WOTC though. Talking directly to the 5e Devs and game developers these days, they are mostly friendly, although some of the younger devs appear entitled, and seem to be a bit vain. What they say and what WOTC does is often two different things, so... they remain two-faced, I don't blame the RPG crew working on new D&D games for this, but do blame the executive management.

0D&D 74 ProBoards. I don't even know what's up with my ban over there. This is a board devoted to Original D&D. I had several hundred posts over there, many discussing the early days of Judges Guild, and TSR. Back in September of last year, I was contacted by a Mod there that I didn't know, who told me without mincing words to abruptly break off contact with some of the other posters there I had been interacting with because these other posters were a single  "sock puppets" who was ostensibly intent on taking over the Proboards and redirecting the 0D&D discussions. They did provide reliable proof that they were having a problem with sock puppets, but this person had done nothing to me personally, so I ignored the request, and subsequently found myself locked out of my account there. I went over to Dragonsfoot and PM'ed Finarvyn, a mod both there and on ProBoards, whom I have met once in real life by the way, and requested a reinstatement, and have not heard back from him.

Ruins of Murkhill Also a 0D&D board. I'm not actually banned from posting there, however they are guilty of removing my access to certain content, notably several threads concerning the early development of 0D&D, as well as the early years of Judges Guild. Interestingly enough this board was founded by the alleged 0D&D 74 Proboards "sock puppet", and while they haven't removed the content that I provided at Murkhill, they have blocked my access to some of the discussion threads, and remain free to comment on my contributions, and lie about it, without being challenged, Guilty of partial censorship. So I stopped participating there as well over the last few months.

I'm just getting to be at that age and disposition now, where I don't particularly care if that is all they are interested in doing, however  I'm no longer going to be contributing gaming articles and commentary on these web sites, and fora, becuase they are choosing not to recognize my rights to free speech, the right to discuss what I want to about games and gaming. I expect some of these sites are bending to the will and pressure of their SJW constituency. Last year, I set up my own gaming website again, and if they dare to attempt to censor me there, they'll find themselves on the wrong end of a very uncivil civil lawsuit.

Quote from: Dimitrios;1083329I also avoided Enworld while Helton's trollish editorials were a regular feature. Nice to know I wasn't the only one. I never really posted there and haven't started, but I am now reading there again.

Same here. I started enjoying the site a lot more when he finally disappeared.

Either way, this whole issue is insanely fucked up....the desire to punish everyone through "guilt by association" that these guys are engaging in is the worst form of social-control authoritarianism you can get.

Quote from: CarlD.;1083319As I haven't been there before, what are the hyenas likely to consider poking?

Well if you have to ask... To give you some idea, our BedrockBrendan is regarded as an extreme right winger and possible racist/sexist/fascist over there... So you guys might want to stay away.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1083339Dragonsfoot - In recent years, they have dissed hard on the original group of creators that were a part of TSR, and don't even discuss 0D&D anymore, just 1e AD&D and later editions. I remember a time when anyone who wanted to talk about any later editions of D&D after 1eAD&D were unceremoniously shamed, dumped ,and excluded from participating. Now as they embrace the you are bad because you play the "badwrongfun" version of our favorite game,and they have jumped on the "You are evivvuuul" sjw train persecuting the very people who gave them a reason to have their forum in the first place. ...Shame on you, you European twits for thinking that you can be the exclusive owners of 0D&D and 1eAD&D content. Guilty of censorshoip, bullying, and threatening behavior, removing 0D&D content and contributions, as well as being extremely disrespectful to all of the original TSR staff who helped them get their bulletin board going. They basically isolated the forums of the original TSR folks that were contributing, and moved them forums out of the main conversation channels. There are a lot of younger folks that are OSR fans there now, that believe they can make a better game (I don't hold that against them), They want to be Rock Stars (They haven't done anything original), andt they are removing, concealing, and hiding important original content there regarding several of the early editions of the game as well as the early history of TSR and other gaming companies. Shame on them!

For any lurkers, I'd like to point out that anyone can go to DF, look around, and see the above is entirely fantasy.  I'm not going to debate someone else's fantasy with them, only ask that if you as a lurker might be inclined to accept it, to instead confirm it.

Why Gamedaddy would be having problems with so many different places I can't hope to guess, but I'd point out he's having problems at many disparate places and presuming they all have the issues.