Isn't this idea going to look phenomenally fucking stupid when people come over here and find things like certain rpg's, on the basis they are 'swine/story' games, relegated somewhere completely unrelated?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555713Isn't this idea going to look phenomenally fucking stupid when people come over here and find things like certain rpg's, on the basis they are 'swine/story' games, relegated somewhere completely unrelated?

Only to people that are phenomenally fucking stupid and can't discern the difference.  

Quote from: CRKrueger;555718Only to people that are phenomenally fucking stupid and can't discern the difference.  

That would be the entire population of earth with but one exception.

Still on about Hot War, eh?  :rotfl:

Quote from: CRKrueger;555725Still on about Hot War, eh?  :rotfl:

um, no?

Looks like Ghost Whistler is worried about this place becoming more successful.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555723That would be the entire population of earth with but one exception.

There are still relative degrees of stupidity and therefore the ability to screen still has merit.  

JG

Quote from: RPGPundit;555732Looks like Ghost Whistler is worried about this place becoming more successful.

RPGPundit

That's an odd word to use. What do you define as successful in this context? This is just a discussion forum...isn't it?

Quote from: James Gillen;555855There are still relative degrees of stupidity and therefore the ability to screen still has merit.  

JG

screen stuff sensibly then. Not according to personal and vague whim. I am still not seeing any stickied thread that explains what criteria defines something as an rpg and what is worthy of being an 'other' game.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555871screen stuff sensibly then. Not according to personal and vague whim. I am still not seeing any stickied thread that explains what criteria defines something as an rpg and what is worthy of being an 'other' game.

That is, frankly, Pundit's personal prejudice (or preference, if you will).  I don't think this place is perfect, but like I said in several other places in several other ways, RPG.net has lost its original purpose, becoming too much noise-to-signal (fat to meat, etc.) and even if this place doesn't (or can't) get AS much traffic, having a place to actually discuss games without the "tangential" distractions will benefit the hobby more than a forum that turns people off with college-kid agendas, in the same way that we've mentioned that having a version of D&D that people LIKE will benefit the hobby more than a "cool" D&D that people cannot play or take seriously upon examination.  Even if a lot of gamers don't actually play D&D, it's a flagship, and if the flagship is not seaworthy, the whole enterprise may sink.

JG

Quote from: James Gillen;555873That is, frankly, Pundit's personal prejudice (or preference, if you will).  I don't think this place is perfect, but like I said in several other places in several other ways, RPG.net has lost its original purpose, becoming too much noise-to-signal (fat to meat, etc.) and even if this place doesn't (or can't) get AS much traffic, having a place to actually discuss games without the "tangential" distractions will benefit the hobby more than a forum that turns people off with college-kid agendas, in the same way that we've mentioned that having a version of D&D that people LIKE will benefit the hobby more than a "cool" D&D that people cannot play or take seriously upon examination.  Even if a lot of gamers don't actually play D&D, it's a flagship, and if the flagship is not seaworthy, the whole enterprise may sink.

JG

James, what's up with the serious post?  I totally agree btw, and was thinking of a way to write my thoughts out coherently but you pretty much said what was tumbling around in my mind.

It would be a lot more perfect without the stupid whining about story games and this petulant crap. What good does it do to have people come over here thinking this is the oasis of free speech who like story games only to then find out they aren't welcome. Complete bollocks.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555879It would be a lot more perfect without the stupid whining about story games and this petulant crap. What good does it do to have people come over here thinking this is the oasis of free speech who like story games only to then find out they aren't welcome. Complete bollocks.

The point (IIUC) is not that coming here to talk about story games is evil. Coming here to preach about story games is. Also, it depends from the topic of the story game. I have no prejudices against "misery tourism" (some however have). But one thing is about to talk about games who explore some darker aspects of the human conditions, a whole different thing is to talk about games who do it by willingly overstepping the boundaries of common decency.

Quote from: Reckall;555883The point (IIUC) is not that coming here to talk about story games is evil. Coming here to preach about story games is.

Also AFAIK it was militant storygaming evangelists who started the backlash embodied by the likes of the Pundit and others. I am continually reminded of that thread from the blatant purple, wherein a member of a storygamer's group had the temerity to keep a secret from the rest of the group.

Apparently the remainder of this evening's entertainment was comprised of the other members of the group trying to bully, intimidate and pressure her into sharing her secret. The hivemind of rpgnet was deeply sympathetic... to the group. Twelve pages in, if I recall correctly, I was the only and first voice to speak up questioning what the fuck exactly they thought they were doing. Of course this was before I had a clear understanding of the bigger picture.

I just don't think they've learned to play well with the other kids, and its emblematic of deeper issues as this whole shitstorm has highlighted. A slapdown now and again, or indeed constantly, does them the world of good.

Quote from: Reckall;555883The point (IIUC) is not that coming here to talk about story games is evil. Coming here to preach about story games is. Also, it depends from the topic of the story game. I have no prejudices against "misery tourism" (some however have). But one thing is about to talk about games who explore some darker aspects of the human conditions, a whole different thing is to talk about games who do it by willingly overstepping the boundaries of common decency.

Yeah, but when people who want to post about, for example, Apocalypse World, have their thread moved to "other games" and get told that they are not playing "real" roleplaying games (despite the characters, dice, gm, etc) - that strikes me as unwelcoming, especially to new people coming here, who likes both Apocalypse World and D&D whateveredition.

But agree that preaching and onewayism is uncool, surely.