Quote from: John Morrow;553024given that some of the people who whine about that are people who have ban-hammers, and given that the guy wielding the ban-hammer in his case has accused me of doing more than B.T. to make him not like this site, yeah I think I have some reason to be concerned by getting whacked by a ban-hammer without warning by a moderator in the same sort of context that led to this particular ban.  

Mate, i've said it before and i'll say it again - the only power i have is what the users (and Pundit) gives me.

We've had disagreements. I've said things to you that may have been out of line, and for that i apologise, but, to be brutally honest, if you want to draw equivalences between yourself and B.T. as regards chances of banning, then you're several miles off the reservation.

Quote from: CRKrueger;552954Where was this convention, in someone's basement?  A convention at a hotel or a meeting hall almost always has their own security staff, and they'll sure as hell try to respond seriously to crimes or they'll get fired and the location get it's ass sued off.

There are small local conventions that rent a few meeting rooms in a local hotel that don't, in my experience, have significant security staff.  I don't have a credibility problem with this claim.

Quote from: One Horse Town;553027We've had disagreements. I've said things to you that may have been out of line, and for that i apologise, but, to be brutally honest, if you want to draw equivalences between yourself and B.T. as regards chances of banning, then you're several miles off the reservation.

That may be the case, but given the amount of complaints that I've had directed toward everything from how I reply and how long my replies are to what I say and how I say it, that have included accusations that would qualify as accusations of "disruption", I don't really have any way of telling how close or far I am, which is my concern.  And despite the claims that Pseudoephedrine and B.T. knew they were going to be banned or were asking for it, I got the impression both were surprised by it.

Quote from: John Morrow;553024...a whole bunch of words.

If I may, I'd like to ask a question of you.  This is in no way meant snarky or assholish on my side.  

I've read the thread you made in Help Desk regarding this issue.  The whole thing.  You've elaborated your point in that thread and in this one.  
Perhaps I'm dense or having a hard time with the walls of text but concisely; What do you want to happen?
BT and Pseudoephedrine to be unbanned?
Some sort of point system ala RPGnet?
A layer of bureaucratic protection so you feel safe posting?
Some long declaration of rules explicitly stating dos and donts? (Seems to me there's already a site that has that)
 
You just keep stating the same argument and wanting some kind of answer, but in the Help desk thread it seemed you got answers but didn't like them, so you restated it, you'd get an answer, unhappy with that answer too, restate it, ad nauseum.
As I said, perhaps I missed it somewhere in your posts but I don't see what exactly you want out of riding this issue until the wheels fall off.
Can you illuminate me?

Hey guys.

I'm a long time semi-lurker from the big purple... who just can't get over the popcorn inducing threads over there.

Mostly coming over to a place where I can actually talk about my experiences without fear of being silenced just because while I hate Rape and think its a despicable, horrible thing, I have not encountered in my life the systematic frightening every man is waiting to rapes culture that people over there want to say is everywhere.

Seriously, I was security at a convention for years and years. There were some minor reports of groping/sexual harassment, and it was ALWAYS dealt with seriously, and it was always cracked down on as hard as we possibly could.

This idea that all cons are scary scary rape machines with staff that condone it is just ludicrous.

Quote from: John Morrow;553031There are small local conventions that rent a few meeting rooms in a local hotel that don't, in my experience, have significant security staff.  I don't have a credibility problem with this claim.

I'm not sure what relevance the significance (or otherwise) of a convention's security staff has to a rape investigation. Any report of rape would be investigated by police. The convention staff are irrelevant (except, perhaps, as witnesses).

Also, what circumstances would give rise to a situation where "the whole convention" treated an accusation of rape "like a joke"?

Quote from: Dodger;553040I'm not sure what relevance the significance (or otherwise) of a convention's security staff has to a rape investigation. Any report of rape would be investigated by police. The convention staff are irrelevant (except, perhaps, as witnesses).

Convention security staff (along with hotel/convention venue security) are generally the first people there and are the ones calling police, and we will detain someone until the police get there (at least at the con I staffed at).

We are generally grabbed because we are closer, though at the con I staff at we do have 2-3 cops the con pays to hang around too.

Also, we have radios and can do an organized search for anyone who is reported.

The worst I've remembered having to respond to at the con I worked security at was someone getting groped, which went out over security radio with a description, we caught the guy, sat him in a small little room and got a cop to have a "nice" little chat with him. Then he was carted off in a patrol car and we never heard about it again.

We also banned him from the con permanently.

Welcome to the RPG Site Emperor Norton. Feel free to speak your mind.

Welcome Emperor Norton!

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Quote from: Benoist;553044Welcome to the RPG Site Emperor Norton. Feel free to speak your mind.

I honestly know no other way to communicate.

I get accused of somewhat lacking a filter at times aha.

I by no means want to belittle the situation, and I agree rape is one of the most horrifying things you can do to someone (my wife is a survivor).

But I gotta ask.  If you're getting raped every time you go to a con, why are you still going?  There is nothing, NOTHING that would be worth the trade off of getting raped.  Especially if it's happened several times.  That makes no sense to me.  Gary Gygax could rise from the dead offering autographs from the inside of Bucho's cellblock, but I ain't gonna go if I know that every other time I went I got assaulted.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;553048I honestly know no other way to communicate.

I get accused of somewhat lacking a filter at times aha.

Well, that makes two of us, I suppose.

As long as you're  ready to see the shit hit the fan occasionally, because some other loud-mouths might not always agree and may, likewise, lack the filter as you say, you're going to be fine. Welcome again.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;553048I get accused of somewhat lacking a filter at times aha.

That shouldn't be a problem around here, you douchebag.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;553050I by no means want to belittle the situation, and I agree rape is one of the most horrifying things you can do to someone (my wife is a survivor).

But I gotta ask.  If you're getting raped every time you go to a con, why are you still going?  There is nothing, NOTHING that would be worth the trade off of getting raped.  Especially if it's happened several times.  That makes no sense to me.  Gary Gygax could rise from the dead offering autographs from the inside of Bucho's cellblock, but I ain't gonna go if I know that every other time I went I got assaulted.

Absolutely. I can't get this. If you are getting raped repeatedly at every con... why the hell would you go after like, the second time?

I mean the first time its like "well that was fucked up but surely this isn't normal". After that you just start to wonder.

(and yeah, I'm ok with people yelling at me for being a moron. I am a moron sometimes, and half the time I'll yell back before I realize it. And hell, sometimes the other guy is just a moron and he is wrong about me being a moron. Its part of the idea of free speech. We can yell at each other and still shake hands and walk away at the end.)

Quote from: Emperor Norton;553039Hey guys.

I'm a long time semi-lurker from the big purple... who just can't get over the popcorn inducing threads over there.

Mostly coming over to a place where I can actually talk about my experiences without fear of being silenced just because while I hate Rape and think its a despicable, horrible thing, I have not encountered in my life the systematic frightening every man is waiting to rapes culture that people over there want to say is everywhere.

Seriously, I was security at a convention for years and years. There were some minor reports of groping/sexual harassment, and it was ALWAYS dealt with seriously, and it was always cracked down on as hard as we possibly could.

This idea that all cons are scary scary rape machines with staff that condone it is just ludicrous.

Welcome to theRPGsite!

And I do agree, its ludicrous.  It reminds me of the kind of nonsense and counter-productive fabrication and word-manipulation you'd hear from the worst excesses of second-wave feminism in the 70s and early 80s.  Its one step from Andrea Dworkin, its just missing someone claiming that "All heterosexual intercourse is rape".

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