Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;555886But agree that preaching and onewayism is uncool, surely.

Which is exactly what is happening when some mod decides to move threads around. That is EXACTLY the sort of crap that goes on at the site we are all complaining about. To then advertise we are better is beyond hypocrisy.

Quote from: Reckall;555883The point (IIUC) is not that coming here to talk about story games is evil. Coming here to preach about story games is. Also, it depends from the topic of the story game. I have no prejudices against "misery tourism" (some however have). But one thing is about to talk about games who explore some darker aspects of the human conditions, a whole different thing is to talk about games who do it by willingly overstepping the boundaries of common decency.

None of the threads concerned have ever been preachy.

And so what if they are. If someone doesn't want to play games the way pundit likes then just maybe pundit should suck it up. the existence of a 'pro story' opinion will not destroy this website. especially when the pundit cannot even define his terms, as is evidenced by what seems to qualify as an 'other' game and what doesn't.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555890None of the threads concerned have ever been preachy.

And so what if they are. If someone doesn't want to play games the way pundit likes then just maybe pundit should suck it up.

I don't think people evangelising basketball would be particularly welcome here either. What's the difference?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555890the existence of a 'pro story' opinion will not destroy this website.

Yeah its done rpgnet lots of favours. There's no way to seperate the militant storygamers and related nuts from the atmosphere of hostility and oppression that permeates the place. This most recent episode has highlighted this disgrace for all the world to see, so now the tide is turning, and its not going to stop. Which is what happens when you try to bring real life hate machines into an otherwise inoffensive hobby.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555890especially when the pundit cannot even define his terms, as is evidenced by what seems to qualify as an 'other' game and what doesn't.

Why would he want to give ammunition to rules lawyers so they can run as close to the line as possible, and then run weeping for *vibes* and manufactured outrage when they get justifiably banned for dickery?

Quote from: The Traveller;555891I don't think people evangelising basketball would be particularly welcome here either. What's the difference?


Yeah its done rpgnet lots of favours. There's no way to seperate the militant storygamers and related nuts from the atmosphere of hostility and oppression that permeates the place. This most recent episode has highlighted this disgrace for all the world to see, so now the tide is turning, and its not going to stop. Which is what happens when you try to bring real life hate machines into an otherwise inoffensive hobby.


Why would he want to give ammunition to rules lawyers so they can run as close to the line as possible, and then run weeping for *vibes* and manufactured outrage when they get justifiably banned for dickery?

None of these threads have been preachy. Someone just wanted to talk about Apocalypse World on a site that professes to be an open discussion forum for rpgs without agendas. Clearly that's bollocks then.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555889Which is exactly what is happening when some mod decides to move threads around. That is EXACTLY the sort of crap that goes on at the site we are all complaining about. To then advertise we are better is beyond hypocrisy.

I don't disagree with ya, at all.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555892None of these threads have been preachy. Someone just wanted to talk about Apocalypse World on a site that professes to be an open discussion forum for rpgs without agendas. Clearly that's bollocks then.

Was the Other Games forum closed without anyone telling me?

Quote from: The Traveller;555896Was the Other Games forum closed without anyone telling me?

Nah, but it really is a secondary forum - activity, and guess also reader, wise.

But if someone comes to rpgforum, to discuss one of their rpg's of choice, and then are told that's it no a rpg and they can go hang with the computer- and boardgames, that could easily make people pass over a forum like this, I think.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;555899Nah, but it really is a secondary forum - activity, and guess also reader, wise.

But if someone comes to rpgforum, to discuss one of their rpg's of choice, and then are told that's it no a rpg and they can go hang with the computer- and boardgames, that could easily make people pass over a forum like this, I think.

That's not the point. What Ghost Whistler is saying is that he doesn't want to talk about RPGs, he wants to talk about his game on his terms, in the process getting right in the face of people who clearly don't want to talk about his game. If enough people are interested in his game, they'll go and talk about them in the Other Games forum. Nothing stopping them. They aren't doing that? Maybe people just aren't interested in his game.

I'd be curious how this agenda pushing makes him any different from the apparent crimes he accuses the Pundit of.

If you're a "her", GW, apologies and let me know for future reference.

Quote from: The Traveller;555901That's not the point. What Ghost Whistler is saying is that he doesn't want to talk about RPGs, he wants to talk about his game on his terms, in the process getting right in the face of people who clearly don't want to talk about his game. If enough people are interested in his game, they'll go and talk about them in the Other Games forum. Nothing stopping them. They aren't doing that? Maybe people just aren't interested in his game.

I'd be curious how this agenda pushing makes him any different from the apparent crimes he accuses the Pundit of.

If you're a "her", GW, apologies and let me know for future reference.

Are you high?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555904Are you high?

Nice. Do you accuse everyone you can't argue with of being on drugs? Must make life easier I guess, either people agree with you or they're incapacitated by narcotics.

GW just needs something to bitch about at any given time.

Do a search on the word "loathe" and I bet 90% of your results will be his posts, talking about some game or mechanic he doesn't care for.

Quote from: The Traveller;555905Nice. Do you accuse everyone you can't argue with of being on drugs? Must make life easier I guess, either people agree with you or they're incapacitated by narcotics.

So that ridiculous rant was actually serious?

I haven't once started a single thread about a 'story' game. I have no idea what you are actually talking about at this point. You seem to have an agenda, I've no idea what or why.

Frankly I couldn't give a shit if someone did start a thread saying 'story games are better than rpg games'. So what? Either discuss their view with them or don't. It's not fucking scientology is it! You aren't going to get kidnapped and programmed by some nefarious cult.

And spare me the self pity.

Quote from: KenHR;555906GW just needs something to bitch about at any given time.

Do a search on the word "loathe" and I bet 90% of your results will be his posts, talking about some game or mechanic he doesn't care for.

er, what else do you discuss on rpg forums but games and game mechanics you twit.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555908So that ridiculous rant was actually serious?

I haven't once started a single thread about a 'story' game. I have no idea what you are actually talking about at this point.

And yet you seem to have no problem criticising the Pundit for doing something you seem more than happy to support yourself, using the forum to push an agenda. Always with these types its wild accusations and statements first, then doubletalk and backpedalling.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555908Frankly I couldn't give a shit if someone did start a thread saying 'story games are better than rpg games'. So what? Either discuss their view with them or don't.

So what's your problem with them being discussed in Other Games? Text on a screen is text on a screen. You'd rather they get in peoples' faces with their evangelism? If your storygames are so popular, the Other Games section should soon be bustling with discussion. If they aren't, I don't see that the forum has lost anything by not including them under RPGs.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;555908And spare me the self pity.

Thats very classy. I can only hope nobody you know ever falls victim to drugs. Anything else you'd like to accuse me of, maybe being of subnormal IQ or something? Maybe a racial slur to top it off?

Quote

Quote from: The Traveller;555910And yet you seem to have no problem criticising the Pundit for doing something you seem more than happy to support yourself, using the forum to push an agenda. Always with these types its wild accusations and statements first, then doubletalk and backpedalling.

I'm not pushing an agenda. You don't get it do you. This isn't an agenda: i'm not here to defend any type of gaming. If people want to discuss story games, indie games, trad games, they should be free to do so just the same as if they want to bash them. I couldn't give a shit if you like them or dislike them, that's the point. Playing games with people's threads by shuffling them around according to some esoteric principle that hasn't even been articulated just makes you a jackass. At least be honest about it.

QuoteSo what's your problem with them being discussed in Other Games? Text on a screen is text on a screen. You'd rather they get in peoples' faces with their evangelism? If your storygames are so popular, the Other Games section should soon be bustling with discussion. If they aren't, I don't see that the forum has lost anything by not including them under RPGs.

You know the answer to that question, don't be assinine.

QuoteThats very classy. I can only hope nobody you know ever falls victim to drugs. Anything else you'd like to accuse me of, maybe being of subnormal IQ or something? Maybe a racial slur to top it off?

Oh get over yourself.

Ad hom attacks like that are fucking pathetic. Being high doesn't mean being a victim of drugs either, something you clearly know fuck all about. Try actually READING what i've written instread of filtering it through your internal prejudice