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The War Against Desborough and Mongoose Publishing

Started by jeff37923, June 23, 2012, 01:35:33 PM

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daniel_ream

Quote from: James Gillen;552823The site would be a perpetual money machine.

I was just thinking of Kickstarter rewards; I hadn't even considered selling indulgences.

Hang on, I need to rerun the numbers on this.
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Lord Hobie

Did anyone see Maladicta's latest post about the friend?

I'm thinking if I get nerdraped five, six, ten, twenty times at a go, I learn to stay the hell away from scifi cons.

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thedungeondelver

Quote from: Lord Hobie;552884Did anyone see Maladicta's latest post about the friend?

I'm thinking if I get nerdraped five, six, ten, twenty times at a go, I learn to stay the hell away from scifi cons.

Lord Hobie


Do what now?
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Lord Hobie

Quote from: thedungeondelver;552888Do what now?

From MalaDicta:

Okay, you know what? Fuck this.

My friend was assaulted last night. It wasn't the first time this has happened. Hell, it wasn't the fifth. It wasn't even the first time it happened this year. She got away, but she's shaken, and scared, and having flashbacks to all the other times.

The man who assaulted her is a member of the geek community. The guy before that was too - pretty high standing in the local scene. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. This is a problem. The second time I went to a local convention, another nerd stalked and raped me. For months. When I finally got over that and went to another convention, another nerd raped me. When I tried to report it, the whole convention treated it like a joke.

And now, when I try to do something to stem the rampant misogyny that provides an environment in which sexual assaults are so sickeningly normal, I get rape threats non-stop. I haven't slept in a week, because I am waking up every hour and having to clear rape threats out of my inbox. I am averaging between ten and twenty-five an hour. That is a minimum of two-hundred forty rape threats per day on a slow day. I cannot physically stay on the phone with the police long enough to report them all.

So fine. I'm taking down the petition. Because I care about my friend and I want to be there for her, and I don't want to have to worry about some sick fuck attacking her to intimidate me. Because she's had enough pain in her life already.

You want to talk about silencing? This is what silencing looks like.


http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?632966-James-Desborough-and-rape-culture&p=15581932#post15581932

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nightwind1

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I've never had one standing up...

vytzka

I think MalaDicta needs to stop writing petitions and seek professional help. Because whether that stuff she wrote is true or false, she needs it.

Pretty depressing, either way.

Ian Warner

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Benoist

#337
Quote from: vytzka;552901I think MalaDicta needs to stop writing petitions and seek professional help. Because whether that stuff she wrote is true or false, she needs it.

Pretty depressing, either way.

OK I got to say something here: I am an actual professional when it comes to rape trauma and the like. I worked with people who were recovering from these forms of abuse in the context of the Canadian Indian Residential Schools. I have actual experience talking with people who have been raped and helping them take some measure of control over what's happened to them, and how to go about healing from there.

Whether she tells the entire truth is neither here nor there. The possibility that even one of those rape experiences is real makes this an extremely serious situation. It would actually explain a lot about her behavior online, on one hand, and I would absolutely advise her to seek help with real life people she can talk to ASAP, on the other. A part of the issue is one of control, to take back who you are and use what you have experienced in a way that heals you, rather than destroys you, afterwards. Everyone's different in the way they deal with their trauma, but one thing is certain: letting it control you, your actions and emotions, to the point where you can't sleep and feel persecuted and powerless in whatever you do is not a good way to go about this.

MalaDicta and her friend need help. Real, professional help, so they can come to terms with whatever happened to them, and gain back control over their own identities and selves from there.

I hope that's ultimately what they do. If MalaDicta is not seeing this post, I hope someone will read it and try to put it as diplomatically to her as possible, because she really needs to understand that what she's doing right now is destroying her from the inside, and that's not good.

GMSkarka

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daniel_ream

While I agree with you, Ben[1], the way she describes the "incidents" just simply doesn't pass my sniff test.

And unfortunately, I've known too many university ARA activists who have never suffered any form of rape[2] but know all too well how to don the mantle of the rape victim and ape the symptoms of PTSD.

As I said, credibility and compassion fatigue.  I find it very hard to believe that people - especially the same people - are getting "raped"[2] with the frequency and regularity implied here.  It just doesn't match my experience in the community.  And ARA activists lying, exaggerating, and faking a history of rape for attention, sympathy and agenda pushing does match my experience.

I simply don't believe anything MalaDicta says about her "rape"[2] experiences any more without independent corroboration.


[1] Stop the fucking presses
[2] One really, really must insist on what the speaker means by "rape" when claims like this come up.  Intentional misuse of language is rife in this area.
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Sinister Brain

#340
Quote from: Ian Warner;552902Well I'm glad some people still have a sense of humour on TBP.

That's the one I got threadbanned in for self-deprecating humor.  LOL


On Maladicta's recent post about her friend getting raped.
I'm not sure I really know what to think.  It seems very fucking convenient this happens in the middle of all this shit she started, but someone getting raped or molested or even attempted rape is a serious matter and obviously shouldn't be ignored.  But I see in the thread she's getting a new round of attention so there's that.

As Benoist said, "MalaDicta and her friend need help. Real, professional help, so they can come to terms with whatever happened to them, and gain back control over their own identities and selves from there."
"I swallowed a bug." - River Tam

Benoist

I can't say for sure she's lying all the way. She does come off as an activist with an agenda, someone who might make up stuff for the sake of winning a battle in the ongoing war she fights, but then again... there might be some truth to what she's saying. At least from her own POV.

I have seen people who have known very traumatic experiences, including actual rape, being affected to such an extent that their whole perception of reality shifts, particularly in their perception of other people and their behavior towards them, which they interpret as potential threats, which affects their feelings of insecurity, paranoia and the like, which then starts a down-spiral to potentially very, very dark places you don't want to reach. From there it's easy for people who are not in their shoes to think they're making stuff up, they're lying, et cetera. I've seen it happen, and it's actually a lot more common than what one would think at first glance.

It is possible that MalaDicta is in such a situation right now. I can't tell for sure, because I have not talked to her, I do not know her, and I know nothing of the events she is talking about. So, in the off chance that there is something, anything to her claims, I am forced to take her declarations seriously, and that's where I tell her: seek some help. Some real help. Start with a rape hotline, ask for pointers. Just talk about your experience, and go from there.

Marleycat

My opinion is that she is overstating some things for effect but if the rape stuff is even half true she needs to seek professional help before she destroys herself.
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FASERIP

Quote from: The Traveller;551915Other well respected works also incorporate rape, Shakespeare's Rape of Lucrere for one, whereby Lucrere becomes a political symbol.

Rape of Lucrece.
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Speak your mind here without fear! They\'ll just lock the thread anyway.

The Traveller

Quote from: daniel_ream;552820See, the real tragedy of all this is that when hysterical activists like MalaDicta[1] lie and extort to try and advance their agenda, they end up making life a lot more difficult for people who really do have a legitimate cause, because the greater society at large starts to suffer credibility and compassion fatigue.
Fairly clearly herself and her fellow purplers are in fact helping rapists. Its really not that much of a logical stretch either. Did I read someone was looking for hush money or something earlier?

On trolling: very often this term is used as a fig leaf when someone has fucked up badly on the internet. LOL gaiz I was trolling, after things have gone so far south they've become north again.

Even if this started out as deliberate trolling, and I haven't seen much evidence to indicate that it did, it doesn't matter, the subsequent dogpile has in reality illustrated the horde of deranged and disturbed people that seem to have invaded the hobby.

I bet this started out when some indoctrinated victim happened to glance at a cheesecake cover on an RPG in a shop window, and thinking, oho, a bastion of rapists, summoned the winged monkeys and went evangelising.

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