Quote from: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:38:28 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on January 04, 2021, 04:18:55 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

If you think Morris is even trying to stop the rot then you have another think coming.

I do agree that he probably does not see it as rot. Just a natural part of being "inclusive".

And if recent history of other examples is anything to go by, the almighty $$ is no longer the incentive it once was to keep general insanity at bay.

Social Justice Warriors get paid in Social Justice Bucks.

Quote from: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.

Quote from: Mishihari on January 04, 2021, 05:47:46 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.

Ehhh, I deleted my links on my homepage to them and haven't been back there in several years.  They had the occasional good article (mostly from old-school guys telling stories), but then they started to feature articles by real SJW 'tards.  At the same time, several of the mods got very "your politics is opinion and hurtful (and wrong), but my politics is a fact and unarguable."  I slowly stopped posting or reading.  It just wasn't worth wading through the stupid for the small nuggets of value...

Quote from: Mishihari on January 04, 2021, 05:47:46 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.

Umbran was the one who banned me for the offense of not believing all women.

Quote from: Two Crows on January 04, 2021, 12:03:44 AMI've always wondered what it was about this extremely social hobby that drew so many extremely anti-social people.

It's the tolerance of geeks. This post was written seventeen years ago.

http://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/

rpg.net's moderation has simply given the Geek Social Fallacies a Social Justice dressing. Back when it started - I think about 2004 - a bunch of geeks got together and put up a petition asking for rpg.net to become an "emotionally safe environment." The essence of their complaint was that if someone was offensively racist, sexist, etc, and if people responded by calling that nasty person a shithead, both the bigot and the person abusing them would be banned. In that 10-60' gap between when someone said something bigoted and the person got banned, the SJWs wanted the freedom to start kicking without consequence.

At the time this "emotionally safe environment" was widely-mocked, including by people who are still moderators today. But evidently they evolved to moderate more closely and quickly to remove the opportunity for people to start kicking the bigot. This is part of modern Western culture outside the SJW circlejerk, of course - the answer to problems is always more micromanagement.

What I best remember is from about that time a moderator saying, "when furries complain about being mocked, I always imagine a guy standing there in a squirrel suit saying, "don't laugh at me."" That was Cessna, still a moderator/admin last I looked. He's since been enlightened.

Anyway, the roots of it all are people who want the right to kick others without consequence, and who are absolutely terrified of anyone mocking them. Which of course makes them very much mockable.

The Trump administration and Covid 19 certainly upped the tension and frustration on the internet in general and on rpg.net in particular.  What will be interesting is whether things will de-escalate or get even worse with him gone.  I suspect rpg.net is too far gone and any movement towards rationality will only be seen as an attack on basic human decency.

The neon sign of where TBP is at for me is from a thread a bit back (that was discussed here) where a mod had to effectively/defensively claim "We're a nice board." (My phrasing.) Following that cliche, it's a red sign it's a place to get raped.

The only time I can think of I'd go there is to read the infractions forum when work is completely suckin and I need something that will leave me in tears laughing.

Rpgnet is a hate group.

Quote from: David Johansen on January 04, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
The Trump administration and Covid 19 certainly upped the tension and frustration on the internet in general and on rpg.net in particular.  What will be interesting is whether things will de-escalate or get even worse with him gone.  I suspect rpg.net is too far gone and any movement towards rationality will only be seen as an attack on basic human decency.

The thing is you don't actually need the wider world to explain the evolution of rpgnet.  You can pretty much chart it all according to it's internal development.

Some forums have been infected by poltics - but at rpgnet the dynamics that led there never needed to be imported, they bred natively.

There was always, even back right at the beginning, this strange fear of people disagreeing with each other and angst about how to stop people arguing about things they plainly wanted to argue about.

In all that time they never actually learnt how to actually do discipline.  It was always like a cop that really wanted to do community policing but was just too weak and ineffectual for anyone to respect and then flipped right over into beating the shit out of anyone who looked at him the wrong way out of fear and insecurity.

Quote from: Omega on December 28, 2020, 11:24:47 PM

Quote from: Batjon on December 28, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
Of course a recent discussion of the Altered Carbon RPG by Hunters Games and Renegade Game Studio devolved into accusations by the RPG.net mod staff that the author of the books that the tv show and RPG is based on made transphobic comments because he made the actual scientific statement that people are born into one of two binary genders.

Actually one of 3 genders, the 3rd being some variant of hermaphrodite. Which is not binary. But technically is. ahem. Rare. But it happens enough that various medical institutions had some form of eugenics protocol to deal with them. And probably still do.

That said. RPG.net being RPG.net should not come as any surprise to anyone.

There's no 3rd gender, neither a functioning hermaphrodite mammal.

Genetic malformations don't constitute anything else than a malformation.

Back to gamming, TBP serves a purpose, just like Tumblr served one, to keep the crazies away from the general public. The moment it dies the inmates will migrate to other sites making those sites infinetely worse.

RPGnet forums are a silly and naughty place act over 9000 again, I see !

One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.

Quote from: David Johansen on January 06, 2021, 11:43:47 PM
One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.

What a gyp.

Quote from: David Johansen on January 06, 2021, 11:43:47 PM
One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.

Is it okay to say Pict, Scottish Bastard, or Cunting Twat?
I gotta practise with my pinafore set if I wanna signal!

Quote from: David Johansen on January 06, 2021, 11:43:47 PM
In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right. 

Wait what? Seriously?

That's hilarious.