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Title: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Batjon on December 28, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
Of course a recent discussion of the Altered Carbon RPG by Hunters Games and Renegade Game Studio devolved into accusations by the RPG.net mod staff that the author of the books that the tv show and RPG is based on made transphobic comments because he made the actual scientific statement that people are born into one of two binary genders.   

It kind of started at this point:

Marras said:
I don’t know if Morgan get’s any money out of it or not, hopefully he does.
Hopefully he does not, since he saw it good to launch into transphobic screds on Twitter.

nifoc said:
There's a cyberpunk pbta called The Veil, the expansion to that, Cascade, is basically Altered Carbon.
Including an Envoy-under-another-name playbook!

The Marras replied:

Argent said:
Hopefully he does not, since he saw it good to launch into transphobic screds on Twitter.

Including an Envoy-under-another-name playbook!
We’re all entitled to our own opinions, even about Morgan being transfobic or not.

It’s interesting that there’s Envoy in the Veil supplement. Mechanically a bit more traditional game like official AC RPG works better for me than PbtA type games.


This of course triggered nazi mod Q99 to have to act:


Marras said:
We’re all entitled to our own opinions, even about Morgan being transfobic or not.

It’s interesting that there’s Envoy in the Veil supplement. Mechanically a bit more traditional game like official AC RPG works better for me than PbtA type games.
Moderator Text:

One of the things that's important for us here is to try and not just "agree to disagree" about some things. A pretty big one is human rights, and that's exactly what it's at the core of this. Morgan has made statements that were unambiguously transphobic. That's a human rights issue.
We, as a team, say this with a degree of pain, since some of us have enjoyed and even recommended some of his work in the past. But bigotry is bigotry, Morgan has made bigoted statements in the subject, and fuck transphobes.

You don't have to engage in the subject if you don't want to, there's nothing compelling anyone to state their views on the subject- but what you certainly can't do is wave away these real concerns and write off transphobia (or other bigotries) as "a matter of option."

Take three days off, and leave the thread.

With the 3 day ban in effect, another poster was so disgusted by the fascist political grandstanding of the mods and posted this blaze of glory on his way to a purposeful perma ban and brave to him for having the balls to stand up to these soy freaks:

 💀 Permanent Ban
The moderator has stepped in on this thread.
We should expect a moderator to step in to calm things, get a thread back on track and/or remove political animosity
Sensible policies for a site that is for discussions of RPGs.
However in this case the moderator has stepped into to take a political side rather than act in any neutral manner or to
bring the subject back to matters of RPGs.

He has called Mr Morgan an transphobe and a bigot. Having purused MR. Morgan's statements I do not beleive any of the
claims the moderator makes can be backed up and hopefully RpgnEt will find itself a litigant in a libel case.
Maybe in future the moderators avail themselves of a dictionary and learn what words actually mean before using
them to libel someone.

What Richard Morgan has actually said in sumamry
All people are deserving of the same rights and protections as any other people and he also holds the sex is binary, you are either born man or woman

Now you may disagree with this and if you have an intelligent and nuanced argument; good on you. The argument from the moderator
is neither. Instead we are presented with sanctimonious and unsubstantiated political grandstanding.

Clearly this will get me banned from Rpgnet. Good I have no wish to be part of a RPG community that has an inability to take on
a political neutral position. The correct action is this case was to suspend the member for a period saying "stay out of politics"
but that is not the position they have taken. I have no intention of ever using this site again and
sincerely hope never to have to communicate ever again with the these so called moderators. There are many other similar
sites that have decided on mature policy. Rpgnet has not. Goodbye

Mod Nazi BethDragon obliged as fast as whatever its pronoun is could with the following ban immediately:

Spindrift said:
The moderator has stepped in on this thread.
We should expect a moderator to step in to calm things, get a thread back on track and/or remove political animosity
Sensible policies for a site that is for discussions of RPGs.
However in this case the moderator has stepped into to take a political side rather than act in any neutral manner or to
bring the subject back to matters of RPGs.

He has called Mr Morgan an transphobe and a bigot. Having purused MR. Morgan's statements I do not beleive any of the
claims the moderator makes can be backed up and hopefully RpgnEt will find itself a litigant in a libel case.
Maybe in future the moderators avail themselves of a dictionary and learn what words actually mean before using
them to libel someone.

What Richard Morgan has actually said in sumamry
All people are deserving of the same rights and protections as any other people and he also holds the sex is binary, you are either born man or woman
Now you may disagree with this and if you have an intelligent and nuanced argument; good on you. The argument from the moderator
is neither. Instead we are presented with sanctimonious and unsubstantiated political grandstanding.

Clearly this will get me banned from Rpgnet. Good I have no wish to be part of a RPG community that has an inability to take on
a political neutral position. The correct action is this case was to suspend the member for a period saying "stay out of politics"
but that is not the position they have taken. I have no intention of ever using this site again and
sincerely hope never to have to communicate ever again with the these so called moderators. There are many other similar
sites that have decided on mature policy. Rpgnet has not. Goodbye
Click to expand...
Moderator Text:
Trans rights are human rights. To deny this is transphobic, period.

RPGnet has been vocally supportive of trans rights for years. You would know this, if you had paid any modicum of attention.

But you're not here for discussion, you're here for a performative stomping of your feet. You are absolutely not here to post in good faith.

Permanently banned under Rule 0.


The utter gumption and depths of political grandstanding with these knobs is incredible.  I can't stop peeking in to watch their triggered responses to any discussion of a game where any of the content or comments one of the devs or IP creator has made that rubs their safe space the wrong way.  It is entertaining.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on December 28, 2020, 03:50:40 PM
To be blunt; I don’t care. I theoretically still have an active account there, but I don’t even care enough to bother getting it banned. That’s giving them attention they don’t deserve.

Big Purple mods going SJW Nazi is just a day that ends in Y. At some point, after perma-banning everyone else, the second-to-last mod will be perma-banned by the last mod who will jibber to themselves in their echo chamber until the money for hosting it runs out and it vanishes like a vacuum fluctuation back into the digital ether with no one left to even record its demise.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Snark Knight on December 28, 2020, 04:03:17 PM
Every few month I stick my head in and see activity is gradually slowing and slowing, something you'd expect to see the opposite of when RPGs are more popular than ever.

Just let it die it's inevitable and slow death without giving 'em the additional clicks. It'll come to ahead eventually, these types always devour their own.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Spike on December 28, 2020, 04:09:30 PM
I, for one, LURVE the Big Purple.


Oh, not to post there, or even read there... no no nononononono.....

I think it is ever so useful to see exactly what indulging in the their brand of 'nice' leads to.  I hope their death spiral is long and slow and, in fact, never ending.  I would like to live so long as to see RPG.net hosted on a pole as a warning to the next ten generations that some niceties come with too high a price. I would look up at them and grin and give them a little wave...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 28, 2020, 04:56:45 PM
Womp, womp.

It takes a mommy and a daddy to make a baby. Saying this is so simple and straightforward that it's TRANSPHOBIC and will get you bannzored for wrongthink.

I'll be happy to watch rpg.net go down the drain, but I do think it's worthwhile to keep up on where the arguments are headed, so you can be prepared to tell them to stuff it when it comes up. As in this RPG author making badwrong statements.


Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on December 28, 2020, 04:57:57 PM
I object to labeling RPGNet as "Nazi's".  Nothing they have done warrants that categorization, and it's an unfair statement.



They are clearly McCarthyists!

Just switch out "traitor" and "Communist" with "Racist/Sexist/Whatever-phobic".
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on December 28, 2020, 08:49:47 PM
I'm not even sure if I have an account there. If I do, it's from about 15 years or so ago. Dunno.

I think I now remember why I don't.

Meh. People like that have been around for centuries. As Bon Jovi said "it's all the same; only the names have changed."  These are the same type who would throw a Jew or a Gay under the bus if it were politically expedient.

Let them choke in their own shit and die lonely and forgotten.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on December 28, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
The mods over there are a bunch of ball bags... I couldn't give a fugg what they are blathering about. Everyone is a 'Nazi' apparently these days...  ;D ;D





Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on December 28, 2020, 11:24:47 PM
Of course a recent discussion of the Altered Carbon RPG by Hunters Games and Renegade Game Studio devolved into accusations by the RPG.net mod staff that the author of the books that the tv show and RPG is based on made transphobic comments because he made the actual scientific statement that people are born into one of two binary genders.

Actually one of 3 genders, the 3rd being some variant of hermaphrodite. Which is not binary. But technically is. ahem. Rare. But it happens enough that various medical institutions had some form of eugenics protocol to deal with them. And probably still do.

That said. RPG.net being RPG.net should not come as any surprise to anyone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on December 29, 2020, 12:11:55 AM
The irony is, this is Richard K. Morgan, author of the Altered Carbon and Land Fit for Heroes series, two of the most cynical and unpleasant series of literature ever committed to paper, in which the heroes (a number of whom are gay or lesbian themselves) are mostly indistinguishable from the villains in terms of the violence and atrocity they consider justifiable (e.g., one hero from the fantasy series punishes a female crime lord for selling his cousin into sex slavery by having her gang-raped for a day).

I will never understand the logic that says portraying non-straight heroes as morally problematic almost-monsters is a great strike for benevolent representation, and yet can still be rendered completely irrelevant by one public ideological disagreement.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on December 29, 2020, 12:55:26 AM
Quote from:  Nick Cave, Australian singer
Political correctness has grown to become the unhappiest religion in the world. Its once honourable attempt to reimagine our society in a more equitable way now embodies all the worst aspects that religion has to offer (and none of the beauty) — moral certainty and self-righteousness shorn even of the capacity for redemption. It has become quite literally, bad religion run amuck.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on December 29, 2020, 05:11:06 AM
Oh no, net RPG.net!

The last bastion against Nazism fallen.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 29, 2020, 08:18:48 AM
A friend of mine pointed out that you can tell a number of the Big Derple Purple mods get their rocks off by justifying swinging that banhammer.

Bethdragon's a pretty egregious example, as seen when she handed Kakita Kojiro a one-day and a thread ban for objecting to someone playing a kender as a raging asshole 'outing' people's sexual proclivities or deviancies. Even more darkly amusing was how she slapped Age of Fable with a thirty-day ban for redtext responding (they don't like the peons backtalking them), 'aggressive responses' (?!), and 'threats of gambling' (what is I don't even...)

The cherry on this whole goofy ass diatribe was this:

Quote
Actually, _yes_, we _do_ want you to be repentant and intimidated, because _maybe_ that would make you think about how you interact with other people and the moderation on this website. And if you don't care about the power to ban you from this website, you won't care when that banning happens.

Drink in that arrogance. That belief that 'lol, you will obey or we'll ban you and you will be cast into the outer darkness forever'. Like Big Derple is the only RPG forum out there.

The faster RPGnet burns to the ground, the better.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on December 29, 2020, 08:33:09 AM
Remember kids though we are the worst place on the Internet.

As usual the more SJW members of the site are silent on the issue which speaks volumes.

When faced with actual repression, regression and intolerance they are nowhere to be seen.

But hey apparently this place is full of right wingers and incels and Rpg.net is bastion of "tolerance" in these dark times.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on December 29, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
Drink in that arrogance. That belief that 'lol, you will obey or we'll ban you and you will be cast into the outer darkness forever'. Like Big Derple is the only RPG forum out there.

Micro fish in a micro pond. Fuck 'em!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on December 29, 2020, 08:46:49 AM
Bethdragon is the worst of the lot and that is not saying much.

She thinks she is smart and tries to setup people to fall into very easily spotted mods traps for lack of a better word. Before I was banned I just ignored her easily transparent attempts to get me in trouble. If I wanted to it's easy to get around their permabans yet to be honest they don't say anything worthy of me taking the effort to do so. I have this place and the the Pub for gaming.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on December 29, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
Remember kids though we are the worst place on the Internet.

As usual the more SJW members of the site are silent on the issue which speaks volumes.

When faced with actual repression, regression and intolerance they are nowhere to be seen.

But hey apparently this place is full of right wingers and incels and Rpg.net is bastion of "tolerance" in these dark times.
The OP talks about walking into the board-equivalent of an outhouse and peering into the hole in the floor. There he finds a heaping helping of excrement. What comments do you really need on that? Do you really believe that there is anyone on these boards--regardless of political beliefs--that really feels positively about RPGnet and it's absurd moderation?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: shuddemell on December 29, 2020, 09:46:40 AM
I would hope not... however, I do find one useful thing about RPG.net. As they get offended by games and supplements that were once okay, they unload them. So much so, that it is easy to pick up "verboten" games from them cheaply in the bazaar. Exploit their wokenesses....
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Krugus on December 29, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
I, for one, LURVE the Big Purple.


Oh, not to post there, or even read there... no no nononononono.....

I think it is ever so useful to see exactly what indulging in the their brand of 'nice' leads to.  I hope their death spiral is long and slow and, in fact, never ending.  I would like to live so long as to see RPG.net hosted on a pole as a warning to the next ten generations that some niceties come with too high a price. I would look up at them and grin and give them a little wave...

HA!  Vir Cotto my man!

B5 for life! :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on December 29, 2020, 11:40:49 AM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on December 29, 2020, 12:24:23 PM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279
We all know how this ends... eventually they will ban every word in every language and all anyone will be allowed to post are random strings of gibberish.

I give to you now... the last posts at Big Purple (and their translations);

"Brala lek pnwehow" (How are you doing today?)

"Rblnk plw nkjqb" (You're banned! How DARE you use vowels, you cultural appropriator!)

"Nptrwstn" (And YOU'RE banned. How DARE you use spaces between words you racist bigot!)

"qstkjhnvpzc" (The above poster is banned for the offensive use of capitalization!)

"bbbbbbbbbb" (You're banned for using any letter other than b, we must all be the same in our differences!)

"" (Banned for use of the letter b, its shape is offensive to the differently proportioned!)

"" (The above poster was banned for being off-topic in the Off-Topic thread.)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on December 29, 2020, 12:37:52 PM
I think Orwell was spot on when he discussed the destruction of words as a tool of authoritarian control.  There's a whole thread on Tangency about rethinking geek speak.  I think what they're missing is that they've gotten old and now, like the mothers who were frothing at the mouth about satanism in the eighties, they're frothing in a panic over stuff.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Opaopajr on December 29, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
There still has no 'there' there.  ::) Never saw the site's appeal (but it came to my attention late around 2010).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: soundchaser on December 29, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
I was a frequenter of rpg.net (embarrassing now) for some 15+ years, thousands of posts, mainly as I enjoyed discussions of rpg stuff. Then I once spoke about how "murder capitalism" seemed a stretch, and a commie harassed me for such talk. Then I pointed out the fact that some 150 million (conservative estimate) persons have died under communist regimes in the 20th C. I was permabanned. I am proud of it now. I tended to never go into those open forums, but my one word-sin was sufficient to be "cancelled." I sent along a note to admins. It did start, "Dear Komrade..."

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 29, 2020, 01:30:20 PM
A friend of mine pointed out that you can tell a number of the Big Derple Purple mods get their rocks off by justifying swinging that banhammer.

Bethdragon's a pretty egregious example, as seen when she handed Kakita Kojiro a one-day and a thread ban for objecting to someone playing a kender as a raging asshole 'outing' people's sexual proclivities or deviancies. Even more darkly amusing was how she slapped Age of Fable with a thirty-day ban for redtext responding (they don't like the peons backtalking them), 'aggressive responses' (?!), and 'threats of gambling' (what is I don't even...)

The cherry on this whole goofy ass diatribe was this:

Quote
Actually, _yes_, we _do_ want you to be repentant and intimidated, because _maybe_ that would make you think about how you interact with other people and the moderation on this website. And if you don't care about the power to ban you from this website, you won't care when that banning happens.

Drink in that arrogance. That belief that 'lol, you will obey or we'll ban you and you will be cast into the outer darkness forever'. Like Big Derple is the only RPG forum out there.

The faster RPGnet burns to the ground, the better.

Not surpised. Like the "Feminism is our unofficial official policy' thread, TBP is pretty open about how they are intentional assholes at this point.
It's at the end of Animal Farm, where all you can do is leave and let them self-destruct.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Charon's Little Helper on December 29, 2020, 01:40:49 PM
I was a frequenter of rpg.net (embarrassing now) for some 15+ years, thousands of posts, mainly as I enjoyed discussions of rpg stuff. Then I once spoke about how "murder capitalism" seemed a stretch, and a commie harassed me for such talk. Then I pointed out the fact that some 150 million (conservative estimate) persons have died under communist regimes in the 20th C. I was permabanned. I am proud of it now. I tended to never go into those open forums, but my one word-sin was sufficient to be "cancelled." I sent along a note to admins. It did start, "Dear Komrade..."

That seems to be the "no true Scotsman" idea so many people towards Communism whenever you bring up actual history & facts.

I mean - capitalist countries tend not to be pure capitalism and pervert it a bit with regulation capture etc. But I'd much rather live under perverted capitalism than "perverted" communism if both scenarios are inevitable to some degree anyway.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mistwell on December 29, 2020, 03:34:43 PM
Seems like the author, Richard K. Morgan, would fit right in here. (https://www.richardkmorgan.com/2020/01/the-trouble-with-twitter-2-2020-vision/)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 29, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
Seems like the author, Richard K. Morgan, would fit right in here. (https://www.richardkmorgan.com/2020/01/the-trouble-with-twitter-2-2020-vision/)

He has a pretty reasonable take on the topic, and I agree with him. So yeah, for my part, I think he'd fit in here.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mistwell on December 29, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
Seems like the author, Richard K. Morgan, would fit right in here. (https://www.richardkmorgan.com/2020/01/the-trouble-with-twitter-2-2020-vision/)

He has a pretty reasonable take on the topic, and I agree with him. So yeah, for my part, I think he'd fit in here.

My comment wasn't meant sarcastically or negatively. I don't think you took it that way, but in case anyone did, it was a genuine comment. He'd be an interesting addition.

As for the RPG, I don't know much about it. Anyone here play it?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 29, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Seems like the author, Richard K. Morgan, would fit right in here. (https://www.richardkmorgan.com/2020/01/the-trouble-with-twitter-2-2020-vision/)

He has a pretty reasonable take on the topic, and I agree with him. So yeah, for my part, I think he'd fit in here.

My comment wasn't meant sarcastically or negatively. I don't think you took it that way, but in case anyone did, it was a genuine comment. He'd be an interesting addition.

I felt it could go either way, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and figured a neutral response would be 'safest'. :)

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: myleftnut on December 29, 2020, 11:54:44 PM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279

 ;D  They probably don’t let their kids sing Ring Around The Rosie.  Wouldn’t want to offend the ancestors of the dead plague victims. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on December 30, 2020, 12:08:47 AM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279

 ;D  They probably don’t let their kids sing Ring Around The Rosie.  Wouldn’t want to offend the ancestors of the dead plague victims.
Or the obviously exploited maid from the Jetsons!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on December 30, 2020, 12:54:30 AM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279

They have become a parody of themselves.

On some level, I seriously pity them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on December 30, 2020, 02:07:42 AM
In the end, revolutionaries always up eating their own tail.  I have trouble sympathizing with their long term, self destructive and self hating behavior.  The reality is that they're in an escalation spiral and will eventually only allow discussion of the black and white bootleg copy of the My Little Pony rpg because everything else is simply too EVIL for them to condone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on December 30, 2020, 07:09:34 AM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279

Greetings!

Ahh, geesus. What a thread full of BS there. Let the sobbing, whining snowflakes Reee as they are trampled by the hooves of the U.S. 7th Cavalry!

The magnificent regimental song of the U.S. Army's famous 7th Cavalry Regiment was the old Irish limerick known as "Gary Owen". The glorious song was often played of course at regimental ceremonies, but also when the cavalry regiment rode into battle. The U.S. Army regiment serves to this day, and has a long and famous history of brave American warriors serving within the regiment's ranks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK



Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on December 30, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
If you're posting there, just remember that it's now wrong to refer to "waiting for the cavalry to arrive" or even "the cavalry comes to the rescue."

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-explanation-of-the-policy-underlying-a-recent-ban.874738/#post-23662279

Greetings!

Ahh, geesus. What a thread full of BS there. Let the sobbing, whining snowflakes Reee as they are trampled by the hooves of the U.S. 7th Cavalry!

The magnificent regimental song of the U.S. Army's famous 7th Cavalry Regiment was the old Irish limerick known as "Gary Owen". The glorious song was often played of course at regimental ceremonies, but also when the cavalry regiment rode into battle. The U.S. Army regiment serves to this day, and has a long and famous history of brave American warriors serving within the regiment's ranks.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK





In their ignorance of history, this would burn them even worse...



The West defeating the Turks at Vienna. Also the inspiration for the arrival of Gandalf at Helm's Deep.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: soundchaser on December 30, 2020, 11:30:16 AM
One pities them. They are crafting a hell on earth for themselves. Virtue signaling, as Alex d’T noted, would end the Republic.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 30, 2020, 02:40:52 PM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on December 31, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on December 31, 2020, 06:11:34 PM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.

"Woke crybabies!!!  Stay off my lawn!!"

(Shakes cane)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Spike on December 31, 2020, 06:34:28 PM
I, for one, LURVE the Big Purple.


Oh, not to post there, or even read there... no no nononononono.....

I think it is ever so useful to see exactly what indulging in the their brand of 'nice' leads to.  I hope their death spiral is long and slow and, in fact, never ending.  I would like to live so long as to see RPG.net hosted on a pole as a warning to the next ten generations that some niceties come with too high a price. I would look up at them and grin and give them a little wave...

HA!  Vir Cotto my man!

B5 for life! :)

A man of culture, I see...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 31, 2020, 06:56:19 PM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.
Now that's funny. :D

But now, the latest thing is that you're not allowed to criticize the female mods on TBP. Because that's 'Holdoing'.

I'm pausing to try and... y'know, comprehend that. Naming perceived sexist criticism after a Star Wars character who was practically a political appointee and whose competence was HIGHLY questionable at the very best. I mean, Poe's Law is over there in the corner sobbing into his whiskey.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Spike on December 31, 2020, 07:52:47 PM
I think Orwell was spot on when he discussed the destruction of words as a tool of authoritarian control.  There's a whole thread on Tangency about rethinking geek speak.  I think what they're missing is that they've gotten old and now, like the mothers who were frothing at the mouth about satanism in the eighties, they're frothing in a panic over stuff.

I think Orwell was... well, not wrong, but off a little bit.  I think that the left sees itself is a state of perpetual revolution, even though they have power they don't have POWAH, so they are still revolutionaries fighting 'the man', whomever that is.

It is characteristic of revolutionaries, at least as far back as Thucydides (I've pointed this out here in the past), to corrupt language to disguise what they are doing, and you know the revolution is over, one way or another, when language gets 'fixed', because whomever wins inevitably re-asserts the common understanding of words as soon as they have power (or in this case POWAH).

Orwell is only right because the authoritarians are also the rebels. Once they've succeeded in setting up some sort of absolute feudal state and reduced the rest of us to primitive serfs working the land under their new regime (having gotten rid of that pesky ambitious and freedom loving middle class...), then they'll hate weird weasel words and 'that depends on what "is" means' language in a heart beat, to shut down the next group of revolutionaries that comes down the pipe.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on December 31, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.
Now that's funny. :D

But now, the latest thing is that you're not allowed to criticize the female mods on TBP. Because that's 'Holdoing'.

I'm pausing to try and... y'know, comprehend that. Naming perceived sexist criticism after a Star Wars character who was practically a political appointee and whose competence was HIGHLY questionable at the very best. I mean, Poe's Law is over there in the corner sobbing into his whiskey.

Well, TBP is giving us plenty of material lately.

Quote
We know that this is people who are pissy and outraged about having a woman tell them what to do.

Neat. So whaddda ya do when a "woman or woman identifying mod" is acting like a shit? Gotta go over her head and talk to a manager? I can see how well that would turn out.
And I have to wonder what about RPG.net attracts people who are "pissy and outraged about having a woman tell them what to do." It looks like all of their progressive rules just make things more sexist and generally awful... *ponder*
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on December 31, 2020, 08:53:25 PM
But now, the latest thing is that you're not allowed to criticize the female mods on TBP. Because that's 'Holdoing'.

I'm pausing to try and... y'know, comprehend that. Naming perceived sexist criticism after a Star Wars character who was practically a political appointee and whose competence was HIGHLY questionable at the very best. I mean, Poe's Law is over there in the corner sobbing into his whiskey.

  Holdoing is perfect for the RPGNet mods--one's opinion of the character seems likely to correlate directly with how likely they are to be a 'good fit' for the site.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: consolcwby on December 31, 2020, 11:24:21 PM
RPGnet... BWAHAHAHAHAH! I don't DARE post there - they'd be TOO easy to troll!
In fact, here are their mods in a nutshell:
(http://angry.net/blog2/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sjw2-300x282.jpg)

And I say it's better to keep the nutters in their shells anyway! (Would hate for them to leave the safety of the safe-space they created for themselves!)
And to whomever stated this place is the asshole/sewer of the internet...
"GET THEE TO THE CHANS AND DESPAIR!!!!  FOR ALL WHO ENTER SHALL NEVER FAP AGAIN!!!" ;D




well, at least not to normal shit
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Snark Knight on January 01, 2021, 06:15:16 AM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.
Now that's funny. :D

But now, the latest thing is that you're not allowed to criticize the female mods on TBP. Because that's 'Holdoing'.

I'm pausing to try and... y'know, comprehend that. Naming perceived sexist criticism after a Star Wars character who was practically a political appointee and whose competence was HIGHLY questionable at the very best. I mean, Poe's Law is over there in the corner sobbing into his whiskey.

I don't even think you're allowed to criticise the sequels at all now. Saw somebody, who I think's a prominent poster, get a three day ban for 'negativity' after criticising them in a Star Wars thread. Presumably criticism of it is a heckin sexist dogwhistlerino among literal nazis.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 01, 2021, 11:06:02 AM
I would pity them, but they're so self-righteous and obnoxious I'd rather chase them down the street, hitting them with a shoe.
Now I'm seeing your avatar as an angry old lady with her hair in a bun.
Now that's funny. :D

But now, the latest thing is that you're not allowed to criticize the female mods on TBP. Because that's 'Holdoing'.

I'm pausing to try and... y'know, comprehend that. Naming perceived sexist criticism after a Star Wars character who was practically a political appointee and whose competence was HIGHLY questionable at the very best. I mean, Poe's Law is over there in the corner sobbing into his whiskey.

I don't even think you're allowed to criticise the sequels at all now. Saw somebody, who I think's a prominent poster, get a three day ban for 'negativity' after criticising them in a Star Wars thread. Presumably criticism of it is a heckin sexist dogwhistlerino among literal nazis.
Criticizing ANYTHING runs the risk of being flagged as 'threadcrapping' or 'edition/sequel warring' and getting you booted from the thread.

Which is fucking bizarre. I can comprehend 'keep it constructive and keep it clean'. But the slightest sign of discordant thought, and the mods swing into action with the banhammers.

It no longer surprises me that they ran interference for (until they couldn't deny it) a known sexual offender.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on January 01, 2021, 06:05:46 PM
I was a frequenter of rpg.net (embarrassing now) for some 15+ years, thousands of posts, mainly as I enjoyed discussions of rpg stuff. Then I once spoke about how "murder capitalism" seemed a stretch, and a commie harassed me for such talk. Then I pointed out the fact that some 150 million (conservative estimate) persons have died under communist regimes in the 20th C. I was permabanned. I am proud of it now. I tended to never go into those open forums, but my one word-sin was sufficient to be "cancelled." I sent along a note to admins. It did start, "Dear Komrade..."
In what decade did this happen? Because I got banned over just putting Castro in a list of celebrities that died in 2016.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: consolcwby on January 01, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
I was a frequenter of rpg.net (embarrassing now) for some 15+ years, thousands of posts, mainly as I enjoyed discussions of rpg stuff. Then I once spoke about how "murder capitalism" seemed a stretch, and a commie harassed me for such talk. Then I pointed out the fact that some 150 million (conservative estimate) persons have died under communist regimes in the 20th C. I was permabanned. I am proud of it now. I tended to never go into those open forums, but my one word-sin was sufficient to be "cancelled." I sent along a note to admins. It did start, "Dear Komrade..."
In what decade did this happen? Because I got banned over just putting Castro in a list of celebrities that died in 2016.
CASTRO?!... HOW DARE YOU!
https://youtu.be/jwDdrNqAHiU
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on January 02, 2021, 01:09:24 AM
Most of the mentally ill mods who frequent that place would never survive let alone allowed back to play at most real world tables. Outside of their regressive and repressive forum none of them can do much in the way to really censure anyone or everyone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: soundchaser on January 02, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
I was a frequenter of rpg.net (embarrassing now) for some 15+ years, thousands of posts, mainly as I enjoyed discussions of rpg stuff. Then I once spoke about how "murder capitalism" seemed a stretch, and a commie harassed me for such talk. Then I pointed out the fact that some 150 million (conservative estimate) persons have died under communist regimes in the 20th C. I was permabanned. I am proud of it now. I tended to never go into those open forums, but my one word-sin was sufficient to be "cancelled." I sent along a note to admins. It did start, "Dear Komrade..."
In what decade did this happen? Because I got banned over just putting Castro in a list of celebrities that died in 2016.
My permanent ban was accomplished in 2020.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Altheus on January 02, 2021, 11:33:37 AM
They banned me for being the wrong kind of leftie. The place is a joke and the banning of any dissenting opinion or anything outside of their current version of orthodoxy has seriously slowed down the posting of interesting stuff.

The infractions forum is publically visible and a good laugh.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on January 02, 2021, 11:52:44 AM
The infractions forum is publically visible and a good laugh.

Reads.

Hoo boy... they really are full of themselves over there, aren't they?  :o
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on January 02, 2021, 10:44:41 PM
It's the self-certainty that I don't understand, not the politlcs.  Have they never heard of confirmation bias?

I just can't imagine being so certain that I'm that my interpretation of anything is that correct.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on January 02, 2021, 11:04:41 PM
It's the self-certainty that I don't understand, not the politlcs.  Have they never heard of confirmation bias?

I just can't imagine being so certain that I'm that my interpretation of anything is that correct.

They're not.  That's why they can't stand any dissent.  If you are secure in your beliefs, you are not afraid of disagreement.  That's the forge of solid opinions.  They are ideologues, so they have no desire to test their opinions against reality.  They expect reality to conform to their beliefs...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 03, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
They just gave Wakazashi a seven day ban for asking how people would treat the colonialism in a Brave Starr reboot.

You know, back when Redredderredest said, "you can't ban us all", well, I can't but help think they're trying pretty hard at this point.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on January 03, 2021, 01:13:52 AM
I think Orwell was spot on when he discussed the destruction of words as a tool of authoritarian control.  There's a whole thread on Tangency about rethinking geek speak.  I think what they're missing is that they've gotten old and now, like the mothers who were frothing at the mouth about satanism in the eighties, they're frothing in a panic over stuff.

I think Orwell was... well, not wrong, but off a little bit.  I think that the left sees itself is a state of perpetual revolution, even though they have power they don't have POWAH, so they are still revolutionaries fighting 'the man', whomever that is.

Its more than that.

As I have noted many a time. This nuttery is cyclic. And one of the recurring elements is that the new "visionaries" here to "help" us poor oppresededed peoples just about every time point at the prior iteration as bad and wrong and all that jazz. And then the next iteration does it to them. Rinse repeat every 20 years.

Come 2030 the next gen of political correctness cults and moral outrage brigades will point at this 2010 batch and decry them as fools at best and monsters at worst sowing the seeds of distrust and furthering segregation and now the NEW saviors of you oppressededed peoples will make it all right.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: myleftnut on January 03, 2021, 02:25:35 AM
Most of the mentally ill mods who frequent that place would never survive let alone allowed back to play at most real world tables. Outside of their regressive and repressive forum none of them can do much in the way to really censure anyone or everyone.

You’re not exaggerating.  Most if not all the mods have posted that they suffer from severe mental illnesses.  I came back to the forum after years away from the hobby and was sickened by what it’s devolved into.  It wasn’t like that before.  Basically a gang of mental defectives have high jacked the most prominent forum in the hobby. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 03, 2021, 09:58:21 AM
Wakshaani's ban is particularly disgusting as it was hardly offensive.

Stating 'Hey, there's a lot here to unpack, how do we handle this?' isn't particularly obnoxious. Heck, it's downright level-headed. Even if he was falling on what I might say is the 'wrong' side of the argument, I'd at least hear him out because his approach is actually pretty damn reasonable.

So of course they whack him with a seven day, PLUS 'we'll be discussing backstage if it'll be longer'.

Jesus Christ, why would anyone post on TBP at this point if you perpetually run the risk of getting kicked off for wrong think?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on January 03, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
You’re not exaggerating.  Most if not all the mods have posted that they suffer from severe mental illnesses.  I came back to the forum after years away from the hobby and was sickened by what it’s devolved into.  It wasn’t like that before.  Basically a gang of mental defectives have high jacked the most prominent forum in the hobby.

Until they actually have the papers to prove it they either need to grow a pair in some cases. Or simply jumping on the "I'm mentally ill so my bad behavior can't be help against me because of it" bandwagon.

Either the mental healthcare system is both that broken and useless with those who work in helping those with the same issues incompetent. Or it's bunch of people who hide behind "mental Health" issues as an excuse to behave poorly both in public and outside of it. As they can't be that many mentally ill people in one place. When every product review requires a trigger warning for every page sorry time to grow up and stop being a grown child hiding in an adult body. They have a review for Paizo Book of the Damned and every page the reviewer had to include trigger warnings. When one reaches that point how the hell do they even leave the house left alone keep a job.

So some are genuinely mentally ill. Some use it as an excuse for bad behavior. We had one guy who was manic depressive happy one day and sad the next. WE cut him much slack at first as he could not keep a job nor afford the meds or treatment while having had a falling about with his family. Fast forward ten years and he was able to borrow money from a friend who let him at first get the treatment need to reduce the symptoms of the disease.  Followed by a job so he could get the meds to keep it under control while also reconnecting with his family. Except the bad behavior did not stop. Anything and everything would set him off. One days as a group we got fed up as we were watching a martial arts movie and he lost his shit because we were pronouncing the word Sensei correctly and he was not. He not only wanted us to pronounce it like he did all us were both wrong and clueless. We looked at each other and enough was enough refused his bullshit demands. He stomped off slamming the door. We decided he was out of our lives. Instead of apologizing tried the "But I'm mentally ill " defence to weasel his way back into our good graces we were having none of that anymore.

To put it another way my tolerance for bad behavior due to mental illness is and remains at an all time low.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on January 03, 2021, 11:41:23 AM
As they can't be that many mentally ill people in one place.
If speaking about RPGnet specifically, consider how long they've been curating their membership, particularly their moderators. As they appear to be selecting for such, it's not all that improbable that they've found what they're looking for.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on January 03, 2021, 03:51:30 PM
"Must Be At Least This Woke to Moderate"

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/028/912/fickifionawide.jpg)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 03, 2021, 04:59:12 PM
Mental illness is not a joke, it is contagious.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on January 03, 2021, 05:13:15 PM
Mental illness is not a joke, it is contagious.

I guess that is why they call it a disease.


Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 03, 2021, 05:18:13 PM
Mental illness is not a joke, it is contagious.

I guess that is why they call it a disease.

Is Cancer a disease?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on January 03, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
Mental illness is not a joke, it is contagious.

I guess that is why they call it a disease.

Is Cancer a disease?

Not if your born June 21st - July 22nd!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on January 04, 2021, 12:03:44 AM
The infractions forum is publically visible and a good laugh.

Wow, that is something else.

Honestly though, the more I look at what has become of them, and the approach many anti-social RPG fans have online in general, the less I am surprised. 

Think about it; how often do you see people on RPG sites tell each other their feelings and opinions are "wrong"?  How often do you see them argue with absolutely no intention of persuasion, but simply to fulfill some internal need or insecurity?

It isn't as big a step to that RPGnet circus as I used to think.

I've always wondered what it was about this extremely social hobby that drew so many extremely anti-social people.  Perhaps it's the idea of being able to exert more control over a shared fantasy than they ever could over their own reality?

I have no idea.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godsmonkey on January 04, 2021, 08:24:40 AM
The infractions forum reads as if Orwell wrote 1984 as a high school drama.

How people can live life so easily triggered is beyond my comprehension.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: robertliguori on January 04, 2021, 08:35:21 AM
The infractions forum reads as if Orwell wrote 1984 as a high school drama.

How people can live life so easily triggered is beyond my comprehension.

When people are expected to be and are socially rewarded for stoicism, you get a lot of stoics.  When they're expected to be and rewarded to be civil, you get mostly civility.  When you are expected to be always purging the wrongthinker...

I'm also a Big Purple veteran from years back, and I was able to have reasonable discussions with many of the most unreasonable moderators.  But that was then, and this is now.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 04, 2021, 03:28:59 PM
The infractions forum reads as if Orwell wrote 1984 as a high school drama.

That's the most apt comparison I've heard yet. :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
...In what decade did this happen? Because I got banned over just putting Castro in a list of celebrities that died in 2016.

I see your mention of Castro, and I raise you my banning because I used a pic of Che Guevara as my avatar.


...
They're not.  That's why they can't stand any dissent.  If you are secure in your beliefs, you are not afraid of disagreement.  That's the forge of solid opinions.  They are ideologues, so they have no desire to test their opinions against reality.  They expect reality to conform to their beliefs...

This.

Most on the left have lost the ability to process dissent, or even the mildest criticism.

They do very poorly when they are being confronted and they cannot control the rules of the debate.

They react especially badly when the way they passive-aggressively deride and mock other people is turned on them with no cover.


Criticizing ANYTHING runs the risk of being flagged as 'threadcrapping' or 'edition/sequel warring' and getting you booted from the thread. ...

It is also the inconsistency.

Actual quotes:
Someone says: “4e D&D was disliked. 5e was able to turn the ship around with an edition that mostly avoided 4e and 3.xe's mistakes….”

This is seen as edition warring, you get a warning on the post and a mod comes in with red text in the thread to tell you how naughty you were.

Someone else says: “Just as 4E was the best version of D&D's rules, 4E was the best version of D&D's settings…”

No warning on the post. No mod jumping in with red text. Perfectly fine.

Some narratives are OK – most others are not.

Looking at it the traffic at the big purple has slowed down a lot. Plenty of active threads there where you can see fresh user bans. They are slowly strangling themselves when they used to be the biggest and most active forum out there.

ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Places like the rpgsite will always draw less traffic, because it is inherently more confrontational here than other sites. If someone thinks you are wrong, you’re gonna get it! And most gamers are very non-confrontational and simply would rather avoid such an environment.

Unfortunately, that also means most other forums moderate any confrontations with a leftward bias of varying degrees.

.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 04, 2021, 04:18:55 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

If you think Morris is even trying to stop the rot then you have another think coming.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on January 04, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

If you think Morris is even trying to stop the rot then you have another think coming.
Truer words were never spoken...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Jaeger on January 04, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

If you think Morris is even trying to stop the rot then you have another think coming.

I do agree that he probably does not see it as rot. Just a natural part of being "inclusive".

And if recent history of other examples is anything to go by, the almighty $$ is no longer the incentive it once was to keep general insanity at bay.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 04, 2021, 05:39:49 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

If you think Morris is even trying to stop the rot then you have another think coming.

I do agree that he probably does not see it as rot. Just a natural part of being "inclusive".

And if recent history of other examples is anything to go by, the almighty $$ is no longer the incentive it once was to keep general insanity at bay.

Social Justice Warriors get paid in Social Justice Bucks.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mishihari on January 04, 2021, 05:47:46 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on January 04, 2021, 05:57:03 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.

Ehhh, I deleted my links on my homepage to them and haven't been back there in several years.  They had the occasional good article (mostly from old-school guys telling stories), but then they started to feature articles by real SJW 'tards.  At the same time, several of the mods got very "your politics is opinion and hurtful (and wrong), but my politics is a fact and unarguable."  I slowly stopped posting or reading.  It just wasn't worth wading through the stupid for the small nuggets of value...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 04, 2021, 06:24:48 PM
ENWorld is desperately trying not to go down the same path – they are more likely to do the temp-ban rather than perma-ban thing. But one of the chief mods over there is a big SJW fellow traveler, and it is only a matter of time before the cycle repeats itself. Unless Morris derives a good chunk of personal income from the site – in which case the almighty $$ may see him try to stop things before they go too far.

Would you mind mentioning which mod that is?  ENWorld used to be my favorite online community until Morrus went on his "inclusive" crazy trip, and I still have a bit of morbid curiosity about their goings-on.  My experience (some years ago) was that the mods there were excellent.  Well ... one was a real jackass on his personal posts, but I never had any problem with his use of mod powers.

Umbran was the one who banned me for the offense of not believing all women.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 04, 2021, 07:26:49 PM
I've always wondered what it was about this extremely social hobby that drew so many extremely anti-social people.
It's the tolerance of geeks. This post was written seventeen years ago.

http://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/

rpg.net's moderation has simply given the Geek Social Fallacies a Social Justice dressing. Back when it started - I think about 2004 - a bunch of geeks got together and put up a petition asking for rpg.net to become an "emotionally safe environment." The essence of their complaint was that if someone was offensively racist, sexist, etc, and if people responded by calling that nasty person a shithead, both the bigot and the person abusing them would be banned. In that 10-60' gap between when someone said something bigoted and the person got banned, the SJWs wanted the freedom to start kicking without consequence.

At the time this "emotionally safe environment" was widely-mocked, including by people who are still moderators today. But evidently they evolved to moderate more closely and quickly to remove the opportunity for people to start kicking the bigot. This is part of modern Western culture outside the SJW circlejerk, of course - the answer to problems is always more micromanagement.

What I best remember is from about that time a moderator saying, "when furries complain about being mocked, I always imagine a guy standing there in a squirrel suit saying, "don't laugh at me."" That was Cessna, still a moderator/admin last I looked. He's since been enlightened.

Anyway, the roots of it all are people who want the right to kick others without consequence, and who are absolutely terrified of anyone mocking them. Which of course makes them very much mockable.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 04, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
The Trump administration and Covid 19 certainly upped the tension and frustration on the internet in general and on rpg.net in particular.  What will be interesting is whether things will de-escalate or get even worse with him gone.  I suspect rpg.net is too far gone and any movement towards rationality will only be seen as an attack on basic human decency.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: cenmarik on January 05, 2021, 12:10:10 AM
The neon sign of where TBP is at for me is from a thread a bit back (that was discussed here) where a mod had to effectively/defensively claim "We're a nice board." (My phrasing.) Following that cliche, it's a red sign it's a place to get raped.

The only time I can think of I'd go there is to read the infractions forum when work is completely suckin and I need something that will leave me in tears laughing.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shawn Driscoll on January 05, 2021, 01:18:57 AM
Rpgnet is a hate group.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on January 05, 2021, 02:44:00 AM
The Trump administration and Covid 19 certainly upped the tension and frustration on the internet in general and on rpg.net in particular.  What will be interesting is whether things will de-escalate or get even worse with him gone.  I suspect rpg.net is too far gone and any movement towards rationality will only be seen as an attack on basic human decency.
The thing is you don't actually need the wider world to explain the evolution of rpgnet.  You can pretty much chart it all according to it's internal development.

Some forums have been infected by poltics - but at rpgnet the dynamics that led there never needed to be imported, they bred natively.

There was always, even back right at the beginning, this strange fear of people disagreeing with each other and angst about how to stop people arguing about things they plainly wanted to argue about.

In all that time they never actually learnt how to actually do discipline.  It was always like a cop that really wanted to do community policing but was just too weak and ineffectual for anyone to respect and then flipped right over into beating the shit out of anyone who looked at him the wrong way out of fear and insecurity.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: GeekyBugle on January 06, 2021, 08:04:00 PM
Of course a recent discussion of the Altered Carbon RPG by Hunters Games and Renegade Game Studio devolved into accusations by the RPG.net mod staff that the author of the books that the tv show and RPG is based on made transphobic comments because he made the actual scientific statement that people are born into one of two binary genders.

Actually one of 3 genders, the 3rd being some variant of hermaphrodite. Which is not binary. But technically is. ahem. Rare. But it happens enough that various medical institutions had some form of eugenics protocol to deal with them. And probably still do.

That said. RPG.net being RPG.net should not come as any surprise to anyone.

There's no 3rd gender, neither a functioning hermaphrodite mammal.

Genetic malformations don't constitute anything else than a malformation.

Back to gamming, TBP serves a purpose, just like Tumblr served one, to keep the crazies away from the general public. The moment it dies the inmates will migrate to other sites making those sites infinetely worse.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: yabaziou on January 06, 2021, 09:52:40 PM
RPGnet forums are a silly and naughty place act over 9000 again, I see !
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 06, 2021, 11:43:47 PM
One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on January 06, 2021, 11:50:57 PM
One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.

What a gyp.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: consolcwby on January 07, 2021, 12:11:19 AM
One thing that occurred to me today is that they've moved from virtue signaling to virtue shibboleths.  In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right.  Anyhow, wokeness has become a question of code words and secret handshakes and deep knowledge at this point.  If you don't realize that "waiting for the cavalry to come" is a bad then you've shown you're not actually one of them.  Other obscure offensive words like "gyp" and "welsh" might well get one strung up from a tree in some parts.
Is it okay to say Pict, Scottish Bastard, or Cunting Twat?
I gotta practise with my pinafore set if I wanna signal!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 07, 2021, 08:14:16 AM
In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right. 
Wait what? Seriously?

That's hilarious.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Torque2100 on January 07, 2021, 09:46:22 AM
Wow, glad to see nothing's changed down Big Purple way.

I should also report in as another casuality. I had an account there since 2007 which I can no longer log into.  Apparently they not only scrambled my password but also my email so I can't log back in.

I have an email that I've used for over 10 years and I know for a fact it was registered with that one.

No big loss. Let them stew in their cesspit of ideological purity and I'll hang out here and on the Pub.  It's sad to see that these same mental defectives who took over TBP have managed to also stage a hostile takeover of EN World, but whatever.  It's their forum they can do what they like with it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 07, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right. 
Wait what? Seriously?

That's hilarious.

Well, bearing in mind that the Old Testament is a pretty one sided account and it was probably a pretty old story by the time it got written down.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on January 07, 2021, 09:59:59 AM
Well, bearing in mind that the Old Testament is a pretty one sided account and it was probably a pretty old story by the time it got written down.

The full account's in the Book of Judges, if anyone's curious; it was following a battle between the Gileadites and the invading Ephraimites.
And it sounds perfectly plausible to me; verifying a suspected hostile agent by testing his ability to pronounce a given language has plenty of historical examples, according to the Wikipedia article on the word.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 07, 2021, 12:49:32 PM
Well, bearing in mind that the Old Testament is a pretty one sided account and it was probably a pretty old story by the time it got written down.

The full account's in the Book of Judges, if anyone's curious; it was following a battle between the Gileadites and the invading Ephraimites.
And it sounds perfectly plausible to me; verifying a suspected hostile agent by testing his ability to pronounce a given language has plenty of historical examples, according to the Wikipedia article on the word.
Learn something new every day :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on January 07, 2021, 01:08:30 PM
Learn something new every day :)

I've always remembered a story my father told me about a German spy in World War 2, who was infiltrating an English town, and had mastered the language flawlessly and spoke without any perceptible accent at all, but was caught out when he asked a bartender, "Two martinis, please," and the bartender said, "Dry?" and the agent replied without thinking, "No, two."  --Because the German word for three, drei, is pronounced exactly like "dry" in English.

Lesson for me was, it's always the things so reflexive you don't think about them that trip you up.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on January 07, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
Learn something new every day :)

I've always remembered a story my father told me about a German spy in World War 2, who was infiltrating an English town, and had mastered the language flawlessly and spoke without any perceptible accent at all, but was caught out when he asked a bartender, "Two martinis, please," and the bartender said, "Dry?" and the agent replied without thinking, "No, two."  --Because the German word for three, drei, is pronounced exactly like "dry" in English.

Lesson for me was, it's always the things so reflexive you don't think about them that trip you up.

There's also the story of one of Skorzeney's boys in an American uniform and a perfect American accent rolling up to an American position and asking for petrol. ;)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on January 07, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
In The Bible, the ancient Hebrews used the word "shibboleth" as a password because the Philistines couldn't pronounce it right. 
Wait what? Seriously?

That's hilarious.

It's also a password in Freemasonry.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thornhammer on January 07, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
It's also a password in Freemasonry.

A fellow traveling man?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on January 08, 2021, 02:08:47 AM
It's also a password in Freemasonry.

A fellow traveling man?

I've had my hand in many esoteric matters over the decades.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Philotomy Jurament on January 08, 2021, 03:06:58 AM
Had (have?) an account on big purple. They gave me some bullshit warning over something or other (don't remember any specifics). If I recall correctly, I wasn't banned or anything, but I just quit posting (or reading) over there. I figure everyone is happier, so that's all fine with me. Walking away seemed like the best thing (no drama, no "I'm leaving" post -- just stop).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 09:22:19 AM
Sounds like suicide by mod to me...

TBP sucks.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Torque2100 on January 08, 2021, 09:35:37 AM

The thing is you don't actually need the wider world to explain the evolution of rpgnet.  You can pretty much chart it all according to it's internal development.

Some forums have been infected by poltics - but at rpgnet the dynamics that led there never needed to be imported, they bred natively.

*SNIP*

You actually hit the nail on the head here.  The thing about RPG.net is that the moderation staff have always been tribalist, gaslighting little petty tyrants.  SocJus just gives them a convenient cover so they can feel righteous while just continuing to do what they were always going to do anyway.

Moderation on TBP has always been based on the In Group vs Out Group.  If a user is part of the In Group, they can do whatever they want without fear. They can insult people, derail threads, "threadcrap," brigade and be total shitstains and the worst they will get is a performative slap on the wrist.

If a user is part of the Out Group, they have always had to walk on eggshells around the mods.  Every word out of their mouths will be scrutinized for any evidence of impropriety or upsetting the In Group.  Step one hair out of line and you got the Banhammer

The only thing that's changed are the post hoc justifications the mods give for being little petty tyrants.

Remember how Byron Hall, author of F.A.T.A.L., was treated?  Remember Matthew Grau, the author of Cthulhutech?   Remember what happened to Venger?

In all cases, the authors of each book were relentlessly dogpiled, insulted and basically prevented from communicating with their fans on TBP.  If they complained to the mods about this behavior they were laughed off, or just banned to make them shut up and go away.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 08, 2021, 09:41:25 AM

The thing is you don't actually need the wider world to explain the evolution of rpgnet.  You can pretty much chart it all according to it's internal development.

Some forums have been infected by poltics - but at rpgnet the dynamics that led there never needed to be imported, they bred natively.

*SNIP*

You actually hit the nail on the head here.  The thing about RPG.net is that the moderation staff have always been tribalist, gaslighting little petty tyrants.  SocJus just gives them a convenient cover so they can feel righteous while just continuing to do what they were always going to do anyway.

Moderation on TBP has always been based on the In Group vs Out Group.  If a user is part of the In Group, they can do whatever they want without fear. They can insult people, derail threads, "threadcrap," brigade and be total shitstains and the worst they will get is a performative slap on the wrist.

If a user is part of the Out Group, they have always had to walk on eggshells around the mods.  Every word out of their mouths will be scrutinized for any evidence of impropriety or upsetting the In Group.  Step one hair out of line and you get the Banhammer

Remember how Byron Hall, author of F.A.T.A.L., was treated?  Remember Matthew Grau, the author of Cthulhutech?   Remember what happened to Venger?

In all cases, the authors of each book were relentlessly dogpiled, insulted and basically prevented from communicating with their fans on TBP.  If they complained to the mods about this behavior they were laughed off, or just banned to make them shut up and go away.
Not sure Byron Hall is the best example here, considering the godawful trainwreck and display of gratuitous edgelording FATAL was.

That being said, though, TBP's mods are incapable of nuance, many get a cheap thrill out of lording their (imaginary) power over posters, and the rules are so inconsistently enforced they might as well be rolling on one of FATAL's spell failure charts to see what happens.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Torque2100 on January 08, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Not sure Byron Hall is the best example here, considering the godawful trainwreck and display of gratuitous edgelording FATAL was.

That being said, though, TBP's mods are incapable of nuance, many get a cheap thrill out of lording their (imaginary) power over posters, and the rules are so inconsistently enforced they might as well be rolling on one of FATAL's spell failure charts to see what happens.

Oh no question.  F.A.T.A.L. was a gods-awful trainwreck system-wise.  Nothing in the rules made any sense, the author's abject failure to research their "historically accurate medieval fantasy RPG" (probably the literal only time this phrase has ever been used unironically) is apparent to even a casual student of history.  That being said, I carefully avoid saying that F.A.T.A.L.  "shouldn't exist" because it's a trainwreck of edgelording and incompetent design.

Look at what James Raggi, Jim Desborough  and Venger Satanis publish on a regular basis.

No argument from me on the Moderation policy. It is hilarious to me how quickly their supposed "values" will be dropkicked out of a 7th story window the second it's inconvenient for them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 08, 2021, 10:19:42 AM

Oh no question.  F.A.T.A.L. was a gods-awful trainwreck system-wise.  Nothing in the rules made any sense, the author's abject failure to research their "historically accurate medieval fantasy RPG" (probably the literal only time this phrase has ever been used unironically) is apparent to even a casual student of history.  That being said, I carefully avoid saying that F.A.T.A.L.  "shouldn't exist" because it's a trainwreck of edgelording and incompetent design.

Look at what James Raggi, Jim Desborough  and Venger Satanis publish on a regular basis.

No argument from me on the Moderation policy. It is hilarious to me how quickly their supposed "values" will be dropkicked out of a 7th story window the second it's inconvenient for them.
FATAL is the gaming equivalent of testing the sentiment of 'I detest what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it'.

I admit I'm unfamiliar with Raggi, Desborough, or Satanis. So I can't state if their stuff is good or bad. Hall's magnum opus is pretty damned bad on multiple levels... but then, so was Traveller 5. T5 just had less obsession with sex and gore. That's probably what got FATAL put in the crosshairs.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 08, 2021, 01:56:27 PM
Huh, Traveller 5 sex

Well first there's the UPP extension Gender, Gender Preference, Body  expressed as XXX.*  Then there's the [C3] (Endurance) based Sex skill with its various knowledges, oral, vaginal, oral, and spawning.  There is a a chart that cross references strategies and preferences to give a task target number on 2d6 that doesn't work with the task system in general.  A three page statistical justification of that design decision.  A variety of illustrations that look like they were drawn with a plastic template and a sharpie.  And of course, ties to the genetics and sophont creation rules as well as two pages on the ethics of sex with alien animal encounters.

I love T5!

Just to be clear there are also alien alternatives spelling out SEX.  Species and Euphoria.  Body remains the same because everybody knows a sexy body when they see one.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on January 08, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
I can't tell if you're pulling my leg or if that is an actual thing.   :o
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Two Crows on January 08, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Huh, Traveller 5 sex

Well first there's the UPP extension Gender, Gender Preference, Body  expressed as XXX.*  Then there's the [C3] (Endurance) based Sex skill with its various knowledges, oral, vaginal, oral, and spawning.  There is a a chart that cross references strategies and preferences to give a task target number on 2d6 that doesn't work with the task system in general.  A three page statistical justification of that design decision.  A variety of illustrations that look like they were drawn with a plastic template and a sharpie.  And of course, ties to the genetics and sophont creation rules as well as two pages on the ethics of sex with alien animal encounters.

I love T5!

Just to be clear there are also alien alternatives spelling out SEX.  Species and Euphoria.  Body remains the same because everybody knows a sexy body when they see one.


Just the thing for when I want to get my "Captain Kirk" on.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 09, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
I can't tell if you're pulling my leg or if that is an actual thing.   :o
He's not entirely kidding. T5 had loads and loads of poorly defined mechanics of limited use to anyone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: lordmalachdrim on January 09, 2021, 09:24:34 AM
Which version of T5 are we talking about?

1st Kickstarter with it's ~650 page book that was unusable?
1st round of errata labled 5.09 that added 100 pages?
2nd Kickstarter splitting it in to 3 books and last I saw with a massive collection of errata in the works on the CotI forums?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on January 09, 2021, 10:37:10 AM
Well, it's like all T5

5.0 had the sex tables without much commentary or explanation.  Just roll 7- on 2d6 to determine orgasm type stuff.  There was also a missing alien sex organ table that was essential if you wanted to use the sex rules with the sophont creation rules.

5.09 had a re-write that took up more space, took a committee over a year to write and worked worse than the original without even replacing the erroneous table that make it easier for egg laying species to impregnate mammals.

5.1 cost $70 for shipping so I never got it but the sex rules look cleaned up but it's still easier for a chicken to get your wife pregnant because while they altered the table they never fixed the fucking problem!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 11:38:37 AM
it's still easier for a chicken to get your wife pregnant because while they altered the table they never fixed the fucking problem!
This problem may be a feature if they wanted to follow the script of the film Carnosaur.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on January 09, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
This problem may be a feature if they wanted to follow the script of the film Carnosaur.
LOL, 1993 is calling, it wants those 83 minutes back.  :-D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
This problem may be a feature if they wanted to follow the script of the film Carnosaur.
LOL, 1993 is calling, it wants those 83 minutes back.  :-D
I won a stupid movie night competition with that one back in the day. The fight with the carnosaur vs the bobcat at the end was pure awesome (of the awesomely terrible sort).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: captain_jimmy on January 14, 2021, 04:48:09 PM
So, someone points out that RPG.net doesn't really tolerate differences of opinion, gets a 180 day ban for bigotry.

How the mods are able to breathe with their heads rammed so far up their ass I'll never know.
Absolute fucktards.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/darken92-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-180-day-ban.875567/
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 14, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
So, someone points out that RPG.net doesn't really tolerate differences of opinion, gets a 180 day ban for bigotry.

How the mods are able to breathe with their heads rammed so far up their ass I'll never know.
Absolute fucktards.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/darken92-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-180-day-ban.875567/

Instructive-

Quote
There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance, plain and simple.

What does or does not belong on a pizza is a difference of opinion. Whether or not trans people should exist is a fundamental human right, and is one our forums has decided upon for years. Whether or not PoC are alienated by societal issues headed by white supremacist actions is not a difference of opinion, it is fact.

I have not logged into rpg.net in years, and don't plan to for the forseeable future, so I'm not priviy to the details of the moderated post in question.
But I would not be surprised to find that the "Whether or not trans people should exist" is someone asserting that biological sex is a reality. Or that biological sex is a factor in gender identity.

And that's how they get you. By defining an opinion as "hate speech".
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on January 14, 2021, 06:11:52 PM
So, someone points out that RPG.net doesn't really tolerate differences of opinion, gets a 180 day ban for bigotry.

How the mods are able to breathe with their heads rammed so far up their ass I'll never know.
Absolute fucktards.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/darken92-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-180-day-ban.875567/
Quote from: RPGNet Mod
There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance, plain and simple.
The lack of self-awareness in this statement as they ban people different from them almost beggers comprehension.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on January 14, 2021, 06:36:30 PM

Quote from: RPGNet Mod
There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance, plain and simple.
The lack of self-awareness in this statement as they ban people different from them almost beggers comprehension.

That lack of 'self-awareness' is how they can delusionally convince themselves that their actions are ok...its the same old 'for your own good'/'greater good' that people have convinced themselves over since forever.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on January 14, 2021, 06:48:13 PM

Quote from: RPGNet Mod
There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance, plain and simple.
The lack of self-awareness in this statement as they ban people different from them almost beggers comprehension.

That lack of 'self-awareness' is how they can delusionally convince themselves that their actions are ok...its the same old 'for your own good'/'greater good' that people have convinced themselves over since forever.

Their lack of self-awareness is also how they avoid having their heads explode.  I've known people with serious mental illnesses that showed more self-awareness.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on January 14, 2021, 06:58:50 PM

Their lack of self-awareness is also how they avoid having their heads explode.  I've known people with serious mental illnesses that showed more self-awareness.

Yep.

I have a friend who works with the mentally ill and they say the same thing.  I've interacted with a number of their clients and the impression I get is that the people who know they are mentally ill, understand they have a problem and actively try to cope with or work on it.

I compare it to alcoholics/drug addicts who know they have a problem and try to work on it versus those who 'don't have a problem'...I think that is why SJWs explode when someone tries to point out the problems.  You are attacking a lynch-pin of their perceived reality.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: consolcwby on January 14, 2021, 10:26:30 PM

Their lack of self-awareness is also how they avoid having their heads explode.  I've known people with serious mental illnesses that showed more self-awareness.

Yep.

I have a friend who works with the mentally ill and they say the same thing.  I've interacted with a number of their clients and the impression I get is that the people who know they are mentally ill, understand they have a problem and actively try to cope with or work on it.

I compare it to alcoholics/drug addicts who know they have a problem and try to work on it versus those who 'don't have a problem'...I think that is why SJWs explode when someone tries to point out the problems.  You are attacking a lynch-pin of their perceived reality.
I think most SJWs are like that, but TBP does it just to be arseholes imho.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 15, 2021, 08:29:08 AM
See, here's the thing.

You don't negotiate with evil. You stall it until you find a big enough rock to dash its brains out, then you do so.

The left in general, and TBP's staff in particular, have firmly convinced themselves that any wrongthink or contrarian thought is evil. So if you argue or disagree, they jump straight to 'purge the wicked'. 40k Inquisitors would be quite impressed.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Null42 on January 27, 2021, 09:16:00 PM
Depressing thing is they still seem to be one of the biggest sites to talk about non-D&D RPG stuff, but I really, really don't like their moderation.

I have a rarely-active account in case I need to look something up.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Samsquantch on January 28, 2021, 06:38:49 PM


It no longer surprises me that they ran interference for (until they couldn't deny it) a known sexual offender.

Who were they defending?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 29, 2021, 08:40:09 AM
Matt McFarland, formerly of Onyx Path, etc. When things started coming out, RPGnet hurriedly stripped him of his mod position and banned him, but there was a LOT of suspicion that they had run interference for him and his wife.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 01, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
Thirty day ban for "cultural appropriation"

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/daz-florp-lebam-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-cultural-appropriation.876492/

I can't find the original blog, but thankfully someone reblogged this entry by a native american on "cultural appropriation" in the video game Overwatch.

https://coelasquid.tumblr.com/post/147459403888/castleships-okay-im-only-gonna-say-this-once

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 01, 2021, 03:22:36 PM
Thirty day ban for "cultural appropriation"

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/daz-florp-lebam-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-cultural-appropriation.876492/

I can't find the original blog, but thankfully someone reblogged this entry by a native american on "cultural appropriation" in the video game Overwatch.

https://coelasquid.tumblr.com/post/147459403888/castleships-okay-im-only-gonna-say-this-once
The problem with the 'cultural appropriation' sin is that it runs right up into their desire for 'inclusivity' and 'diversity'. Are people simply supposed to behold these curious cultural things and take nothing from them? Seriously?

Where does it end? Where does it go next?

I don't object to 'hey if you're going to do this, show some respect'. That's fair. But the overreactions we see would be hilarious if they weren't so vitriolic and angry. And invariably, the loudest voices aren't even part of the culture. There was an infamous little story that made the rounds about a young girl who dressed up as a Japanese geisha and put on a tea ceremony for her class. The usual idiots started their freak out, only to be shut down hard by actual Japanese people who said they liked it.

Unless you plan to hedge your society with the cultural equivalent of moats and barbed wire, you're always going to have cross-contamination and pollination. Things get passed back and forth and before you know it you have fusion cuisine, white guys rapping, and Hawaiians demonstrating how to make sushi with spam. And that is glorious. Bonkers, yes, but glorious.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on February 01, 2021, 03:55:50 PM
Thirty day ban for "cultural appropriation"

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/daz-florp-lebam-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-cultural-appropriation.876492/

I can't find the original blog, but thankfully someone reblogged this entry by a native american on "cultural appropriation" in the video game Overwatch.

https://coelasquid.tumblr.com/post/147459403888/castleships-okay-im-only-gonna-say-this-once

So somebody's cleric wanted to create a religious ritual...and they call it offensive cultural appropriation because the idea is based off a religious ritual...??



The problem with the 'cultural appropriation' sin is that it runs right up into their desire for 'inclusivity' and 'diversity'. Are people simply supposed to behold these curious cultural things and take nothing from them? Seriously?

Where does it end? Where does it go next?

I don't object to 'hey if you're going to do this, show some respect'. That's fair. But the overreactions we see would be hilarious if they weren't so vitriolic and angry. And invariably, the loudest voices aren't even part of the culture. There was an infamous little story that made the rounds about a young girl who dressed up as a Japanese geisha and put on a tea ceremony for her class. The usual idiots started their freak out, only to be shut down hard by actual Japanese people who said they liked it.

Unless you plan to hedge your society with the cultural equivalent of moats and barbed wire, you're always going to have cross-contamination and pollination. Things get passed back and forth and before you know it you have fusion cuisine, white guys rapping, and Hawaiians demonstrating how to make sushi with spam. And that is glorious. Bonkers, yes, but glorious.

I find it kind of ironic how they claim that a particular 'racist' culture needs to be made more diverse, yet when that culture adds stuff it is cultural appropriation...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on February 01, 2021, 04:49:55 PM
I find it kind of ironic how they claim that a particular 'racist' culture needs to be made more diverse, yet when that culture adds stuff it is cultural appropriation...
Once you accept that the charge made isn’t intended to affect repentance from the accused (as calling out a sin is in, say, Christianity, is), but to give permission to the rabid pack to destroy the accused, it all makes sense.

The SJWs aren’t out to change the world or RPGs... they’re here to burn it down because, like the Puritans they are the latest incarnation of, their own inner loathing is offended at the thought that someone somewhere might be happy.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on February 01, 2021, 04:52:11 PM
I find it kind of ironic how they claim that a particular 'racist' culture needs to be made more diverse, yet when that culture adds stuff it is cultural appropriation...
Once you accept that the charge made isn’t intended to affect repentance from the accused (as calling out a sin is in, say, Christianity, is), but to give permission to the rabid pack to destroy the accused, it all makes sense.

The SJWs aren’t out to change the world or RPGs... they’re here to burn it down because, like the Puritans they are the latest incarnation of, their own inner loathing is offended at the thought that someone somewhere might be happy.

Yeah, I was mostly being sarcastic with that one... ;D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on February 01, 2021, 05:39:16 PM
Well, I guess those other cultures can give back their blue jeans and automobiles if they don't like it.  But of course like most of the left wing dog whistles, it's an imaginary non-issue invented by university outrage specialists looking for targets because they know full well that our culture's natural response to a shrill, freak out is placate and appease.  They take advantage of our civility to advance their careers on the backs of the very minorities they claim to protect.

But I'm not bitter...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 02, 2021, 03:58:27 AM
Let me be bitter for you. Because for me this is go-round number 3 of this cyclic wave of hatemongering. And thats all these screeds really are.

Same retortic. Same tactics. Just new buzzwords.

Infiltration and Co-opting groups, Ever more stringent demands for Censorship, Feminist Agenda, Discrimination and Segregation under the guise of Social Justice, Violence.

Always with calls to "just ignore them" and "give them what they want and they will be appeased and go away."

This is why some of us resisted so hard when this new wave started up in the 2010s because we recognized it from the 1990s or 70s. And we will be right back here again in the 2030s.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 02, 2021, 08:36:11 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/thane-of-fife-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-declaring-representation-is-too-much-work.876587/

Now your only allowed to write an rpg product if every, any single segment of society is not offended and surly represented. If you say otherwise your banned. Sorry if I'm not getting paid extra I ain't going to bend over backwards to make sure everyone and anyone will not be offended by my product.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 02, 2021, 11:21:38 AM
I regularly get emails from STIHL about maintaining my chainsaw and how it's a good idea to wear long sleeves whenever cutting down trees. In fact, I just got one right before perusing this thread. While somewhat banal and redundant at times, I would rather wade through five million STIHL emails outlining the benefits of their 50-1 fuel over the competition's than waste a nanosecond entertaining the notion that reading rpg.net is at all worthwhile. In the first case, I might actually find some legitimately interesting factoids that are applicable to real life. In the second case, I can only assume my brain will atrophy, decreasing my IQ more rapidly than a full frontal lobotomy.

I don't understand why that messageboard even exists anymore.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 12:17:26 PM
I would rather wade through five million STIHL emails outlining the benefits of their 50-1 fuel over the competition's than waste a nanosecond entertaining the notion that reading rpg.net is at all worthwhile.
As someone who, literally, started to read RPG.net today I can say that the first impact is... amazing. I spent a couple of hours reading their fora: they just keep on giving. Of course it is not different than going to the zoo. And it gets old fast.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 02, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
It's nice to see that Bcaugust54 doesn't think the Roma were historically persecuted or suffered under the Nazi regime.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on February 02, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
I don't understand why that messageboard even exists anymore.

To be fair, there's enough of a genuinely creative community there that I haven't found anywhere else; the "101 Ideas" threads series were always immensely enjoyable and still look like they'd be fun.

I tend to think of it these days as a meadow which has lots of buried treasure in the centre, but has been ringed with a belt of land mines -- those who can instinctively navigate through the minefields, and those willing to put in the work to do so consciously, can still get value out of it, but those who simply can't so navigate or don't feel like investing the effort will eventually decide no treasure is worth the tsuris of getting to it.

(I fall into the latter group myself, less out of inability to avoid the landmines than out of eventually finally taking it personally that the mines existed at all, much less the arbitrary and unpredictable basis on which their tripwires seem to be triggered.)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on February 02, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
I don't understand why that messageboard even exists anymore.

To be fair, there's enough of a genuinely creative community there that I haven't found anywhere else; the "101 Ideas" threads series were always immensely enjoyable and still look like they'd be fun.

I tend to think of it these days as a meadow which has lots of buried treasure in the centre, but has been ringed with a belt of land mines -- those who can instinctively navigate through the minefields, and those willing to put in the work to do so consciously, can still get value out of it, but those who simply can't so navigate or don't feel like investing the effort will eventually decide no treasure is worth the tsuris of getting to it.

(I fall into the latter group myself, less out of inability to avoid the landmines than out of eventually finally taking it personally that the mines existed at all, much less the arbitrary and unpredictable basis on which their tripwires seem to be triggered.)

For me, what finally drove me away was less the land mines and more the various posters who apparently were only on the board to see who they could trip or push into a land mine that was otherwise being safely avoided.  Like the bad gaming/no gaming decision, there is no game content so great that I will put up with that extent of psychotic behavior to gain it. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 02, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
Well...I can understand that sometimes you want to watch a train wreck for the amusement factor, but at some point you come to the realization that focusing on something so morbid has a negative affect on your life.

Also, even if there was some value to some of the threads, the mere fact you cannot make any sort of remark without it being scrutinized to the nth-degree is reason enough to avoid that place. People say this site is Mos Eisley, and I agree. You can get into a lot of trouble, but if you waste some dude with a lightsaber no one bats an eye. rpg.net is more like being a Jewish janitor at Auschwitz: you know you're going to be killed last, but it'll happen eventually, and until then you have to help clean up the bodies.

^^^see I couldn't even make that joke there without being persecuted for "insensitivity" or some bullshit so it's not even worth it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on February 02, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Well...I can understand that sometimes you want to watch a train wreck for the amusement factor, but at some point you come to the realization that focusing on something so morbid has a negative affect on your life.

Also, even if there was some value to some of the threads, the mere fact you cannot make any sort of remark without it being scrutinized to the nth-degree is reason enough to avoid that place. People say this site is Mos Eisley, and I agree. You can get into a lot of trouble, but if you waste some dude with a lightsaber no one bats an eye. rpg.net is more like being a Jewish janitor at Auschwitz: you know you're going to be killed last, but it'll happen eventually, and until then you have to help clean up the bodies.

^^^see I couldn't even make that joke there without being persecuted for "insensitivity" or some bullshit so it's not even worth it.

If I wanted to bother, I could go over there, create an account, and get permabanned with two words and a punctuation mark.

"Hypersensitive much?"

Knowing that, I don't bother.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on February 02, 2021, 04:17:30 PM
Well, I guess those other cultures can give back their blue jeans and automobiles if they don't like it.

That reminds me of the quintessential English dish: Chicken Vindaloo
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 04:25:26 PM
Well, I guess those other cultures can give back their blue jeans and automobiles if they don't like it.

That reminds me of the quintessential English dish: Chicken Vindaloo
I dish I actually ate back in the day, when I was working in London. The steam coming from the dish was basically tear gas 😂
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 02, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Well...I can understand that sometimes you want to watch a train wreck for the amusement factor, but at some point you come to the realization that focusing on something so morbid has a negative affect on your life.
Well, sometimes I do watch some of those "Painful fails" videos on YouTube to chill out - so, there you are. But I also think that a train wreck can be very instructive, and it is even better if it happens to someone else.

Anyway, just out of curiosity I checked the RPG.net "Rules & Guidelines". Is there someone alive who read all of them? They can basically ban you for anything, breathing included. I mean, they can ban you there for something you post here.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 02, 2021, 05:43:17 PM
That reminds me of the quintessential English dish: Chicken Vindaloo

Is this the thing where I can't open up my own taco truck if I'm not Mexican?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 02, 2021, 05:52:29 PM
That reminds me of the quintessential English dish: Chicken Vindaloo
Beware of the Vindaloovians they hate humans lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZbzIHGj8U

They even experimented on a dish of Vindaloo and it turned into a rampaging monster chasing the crew unfortunately I can't find it on Youtube.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 02, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
https://reddwarf.fandom.com/wiki/Mutton_Vindaloo_Beast (https://reddwarf.fandom.com/wiki/Mutton_Vindaloo_Beast)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on February 02, 2021, 06:26:21 PM
That reminds me of the quintessential English dish: Chicken Vindaloo

Is this the thing where I can't open up my own taco truck if I'm not Mexican?

No, its kind of the opposite.  But if you are the type of person that worries about cultural appropriation then no British Vindaloo for you.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on February 02, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
Beware of the Vindaloovians they hate humans lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZbzIHGj8U

They even experimented on a dish of Vindaloo and it turned into a rampaging monster chasing the crew unfortunately I can't find it on Youtube.

Fortunately, such a monster is easily slain with its one universal weakness.  In the words of David Lister: "Lager! Of course! The only thing that can kill a curry!"
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 02, 2021, 08:32:24 PM
No, its kind of the opposite.  But if you are the type of person that worries about cultural appropriation then no British Vindaloo for you.

I actually ate Indian food for lunch today (local place run by a mother/daughter team, A+++ would highly recommend), but I'm half Irish so I have no idea what that means.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thornhammer on February 02, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
One of the things I like about this place is that I have never, ever seen a thread here where a poster timidly asks if it is “safe” for him or her to read a specific sourcebook.

Not because the poster wants to know if there is some sort of metaplot to be avoided, but because there might be some sort of disagreeable subject matter within the book.

This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we’ll ever see Dark Sun come back.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 02, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
I've always wanted to try vindaloo. I'm a middleweight when it comes to spice tolerance -- not wimpy, but I found my limits in the middle ranges of sauces.

Back on topic, someone pointed this out to me. Look at this ban:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/daz-florp-lebam-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-cultural-appropriation.876492/

And then this one:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/thane-of-fife-receives-a-🚫-thirty-day-ban-declaring-representation-is-too-much-work.876587/

Now, consider this: they just banned two people for thirty days, one for trying to 'culturally appropriate' something, and another for pointing out the difficulty in trying to cover all the bases with representation in a broad-scale sourcebook.

Essentially, if you offer to 'tell their stories' it's cultural appropriation, and if you don't, you're marginalizing.

Why does anyone post on that forum again?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 02, 2021, 11:07:18 PM
Fortunately, such a monster is easily slain with its one universal weakness.  In the words of David Lister: "Lager! Of course! The only thing that can kill a curry!"

That's right they used beer lol. Too bad the rights to the rpg have expired and it's hard to find. I had all the books and stupidly sold them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 02, 2021, 11:09:48 PM
One of the things I like about this place is that I have never, ever seen a thread here where a poster timidly asks if it is “safe” for him or her to read a specific sourcebook.

Not because the poster wants to know if there is some sort of metaplot to be avoided, but because there might be some sort of disagreeable subject matter within the book.

This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we’ll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Ye gods forgot about the whole peoplechild immature trigger warning bullshit about a book being safe to "read". Again full retard when someone reviewed the Book of the Damned and every and any fucking page the reviewer felt the need to include trigger warnings. Every page. How do those mentally ill and possibly insane gamers over at TBP even get out of bed in the morning. I guess they need their perpetual echo chamber as most would be banned from most groups. Hell I had friend go full SJW to the point where even the hardcore Liberal of my gaming circle of friends lost his temper and ripped him a new one on Facebook. The Liberal friend and myself have had our disagreements even strong ones never ruined our friendship.

SJW would always attack us for not agreeing with him 1000% on something or refusing to push SJW carefully constructed personal narrative it seems on every subject. When they race swapped Batwoman he accused everyone who disagreed with the race swap as being racist and misogynistic. My Liberal had enough and  banned him from Facebook and his life. I was on the fence and did the same as fuck it SJWs suck your soul and ruin everything. I was surprised though with Liberal as he was always let bygones be bygones. I suppose when one annoys even a person with Liberal viewpoints their is no hope.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2021, 01:50:06 AM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we’ll ever see Dark Sun come back.

The 4th Ed version was pretty good, and the sourcebook that got me into 4th edition.

Things change fast though. I imagine a Dark Sun made now would be a Cringe Singularity.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 AM
The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2021, 03:40:43 AM
The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)

I said Pretty Good. :) I didn't remember them changing Muls, and if it came up in my game, I'd probably ignore that change.

They also IIRC reskinned the Goliath race into Half-Giants, and removed their funky alignment changing rule.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 03, 2021, 03:44:10 AM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we’ll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Dark Sun
Oriental Adventures
Ravenloft
Dragonlance

Oh sure some of these will be back. But in name only as they will have been run through "sensetivity" agenda scensors to the point they barely resemble what they were.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 03, 2021, 04:12:17 AM
The 4th ed book bowlderized the origins of Muls.

From memory I think they were magical hybirds rather than explicity slave cross breeds and I don't think they were necessarily sterile (which of course means there name makes no sense.)

2e original they were cross breeds in the slave pits and are sterile.
2e Revised was the same and adds that muls have been a thing for as long as humans and dwarves have interacted.
3e Same, but minus the long history.
OGL(fanmade?) Same but now difficult and frequently kills the mother before she can give birth.
4e they are still cross breeds, but no mention of being sterile. And apparently now can grow hair?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on February 03, 2021, 04:41:51 AM
3e Same, but minus the long history.
OGL(fanmade?) Same but now difficult and frequently kills the mother before she can give birth.

This was always part of the setting.  Although it may have been stated in one of the novels rather than in the rule books.

4e they are still cross breeds, but no mention of being sterile. And apparently now can grow hair?
You're right, I've misremembered it.  However, reading it now they're very coy about the fact they were deliberately bred.  Sure it's unpleasant, but so is slavery.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 07:56:28 AM
The setting that can never be remade (properly) is actually Birthright.

Humans with ability score modifiers. Five kinds of them.

*ignite woke firestorm*

*"So, you're telling me the Englishsic are wiser than the Blacks? And the Russianssic are stupider than the Vikings? You bigot!!!111!"*
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on February 03, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
This sort of thing makes me think there is no way in hell we’ll ever see Dark Sun come back.

Dark Sun
Oriental Adventures
Ravenloft
Dragonlance

Oh sure some of these will be back. But in name only as they will have been run through "sensetivity" agenda scensors to the point they barely resemble what they were.

I'll admit that increased authenticity in Oriental Adventures might interest me.  But then one might carry that notion into Dark Sun and have detailed starvation rules and pages of rules for dehydration and sunstroke.  Ravenloft could be moved to Victorian England.  Dragonlance could have a full transcript of the "discs of Mishkal" and start a new religion.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 11:06:36 AM
Ravenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on February 03, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
Ravenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 03, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

Quote
We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on February 03, 2021, 12:43:03 PM
Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.

  Loses a bit for me because of it uncritically accepting some Enlightenment myths (demonizing St. Cyril for Hypatia's death, the 'noble savage' concept, the glorification of folks like Voltaire), but that's a personal quirk as much as anything, and it's still a very good product.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: BronzeDragon on February 03, 2021, 01:07:49 PM

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

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We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

What the hell, I hadn't seen that.

Jesus H Christ...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on February 03, 2021, 02:37:15 PM
Masque is the best thing ever written for Ravenloft, right up there with the Van Richten's Guides.

  Loses a bit for me because of it uncritically accepting some Enlightenment myths (demonizing St. Cyril for Hypatia's death, the 'noble savage' concept, the glorification of folks like Voltaire), but that's a personal quirk as much as anything, and it's still a very good product.

Concur with you on the Enlightenment myths. Back in the 90s, when it was originally written, questioning the Enlightenment wasn't as widespread as it is today. Now, the myths are glaring, if minor.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on February 03, 2021, 02:39:29 PM

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

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We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

What the hell, I hadn't seen that.

Jesus H Christ...

That's on every WOTC "legacy" product page. Paying the Danegeld, indeed.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2021, 02:53:12 PM
They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I clicked the link and was bashed over the head with this bullshit:

Quote
We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.

What values would those be? Telling people not to play D&D because they voted for someone you don't like? Or the part where you called them "literal Nazis" for not drinking the SJW Kool-Aid? History will not judge these people kindly...

I always imagine SJW dislaimers being read by Grima Wormtongue.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 03, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Humans with ability score modifiers. Five kinds of them.

*ignite woke firestorm*
Back when I was into GURPS, I got tired of all the fat neckbeards statting themselves out as special forces ninja commandos because they did Scouts once when they were 12. So I wrote up templates. It was stuff like: Urban Middle Class gets Wealth+1, Strength-2, Willpower-2, that sort of thing. Nothing racial or gender-based, just class and regional.

They didn't like it much.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: billmrinc on February 03, 2021, 05:36:09 PM
I am glad I found this site. As for, RPG.net, Enworld.org and the rest of the SJW movement, it is a sickness, I have had enough.

Also a fan of Dark Albion, great book!


Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on February 03, 2021, 07:04:45 PM
I am glad I found this site. As for, RPG.net, Enworld.org and the rest of the SJW movement, it is a sickness, I have had enough.

Also a fan of Dark Albion, great book!

Greetings!

Welcome, billmrinc! We are glad to have you join us here!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on February 03, 2021, 07:58:21 PM
Ravenloft could be moved to Victorian England.

They already did that.

Masque of the Red Death.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/127234/Masque-of-the-Red-Death-and-Other-Tales-2e

I know :D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 03, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
Back when I was into GURPS, I got tired of all the fat neckbeards statting themselves out as special forces ninja commandos because they did Scouts once when they were 12. So I wrote up templates. It was stuff like: Urban Middle Class gets Wealth+1, Strength-2, Willpower-2, that sort of thing. Nothing racial or gender-based, just class and regional.

They didn't like it much.

I remember reading several different threads talking about "real world stats" on dragonsfoot and maybe SJG, been a while so memory is hazy. What's not hazy is how Every. Single. Person. had a fucking genius level IQ and ridiculous levels of professional skills. I actually wrote up a blog post years back about STR scores in D&D to make the point about how it could mean different things (mostly to justify 18 STR halflings). Per AD&D, my STR is around an 18/01, but I considered that ridiculous because I think Gygax waaaay underestimated human maximums, so I said it was more reasonable to be around 16 or 17. And that's easily my best stat. Since I still read and post on internet messageboards, my WIS, CHA, and INT are clearly sub-8, and my only real professional skill is "look competent while using a computer" at like a level 20 in GURPS terms which garners a six-figure salary. Maybe hobby skills of 12-14 range in playing drums and guitar since I actually got paid to do that stuff, like an 18 in Street Fighter II. I have a ton of GURPS disads, like Obnoxious Drunk, Allergies, Bad Sight (paid off with character points when I got LASIK, but honestly I should have used those points to get IQ over 9), Compulsive Carousing, Lecherousness,  and tons of other crap I imagine. Since I am now typing this crap out, I do have some really good Contacts and Extra Hit Points if we're using HT instead of ST for hit points. Gotta have Hard to Kill because there have been so many times I should have died but ended up coming out with no long-term injuries.

What is that, like a 30 point character or something?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on February 03, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
The bell curve is really that not extreme.

There's a 0.46 chance of an 18 on 3d6.

If you were the smartest kid at your high school that would probably put you at 18.

That's a lot of 18s in the population.  They can't all be Einstein.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 04, 2021, 04:28:28 AM
What is that, like a 30 point character or something?
Most people over 35 or so have multiple Duties, Debts and Dependents, and few have more than 1-2 skills at beyond default (you had 1:1 instruction for 200 hours in Driving? Really?) reducing their total point value to under 0.

Anyway, as I discussed with Bill in the livestream today, reality is random roll, not point-buy. It's just that you can make an effort to improve your stats, but like in Classic Traveller, it takes fucking years and most people give up.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 04, 2021, 08:27:28 AM
The disclaimer wouldn't irritate me so much if WotC hadn't gone out of their way to virtue signal and act like retards.

Warner Brothers had a similar disclaimer in a collection of their older cartoons.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 04, 2021, 10:40:05 AM
Most people over 35 or so have multiple Duties, Debts and Dependents, and few have more than 1-2 skills at beyond default (you had 1:1 instruction for 200 hours in Driving? Really?) reducing their total point value to under 0.

Anyway, as I discussed with Bill in the livestream today, reality is random roll, not point-buy. It's just that you can make an effort to improve your stats, but like in Classic Traveller, it takes fucking years and most people give up.

Yeah, if you throw in a two mortgages, two kids, and a wife as Duties, Debts, and Dependents, then I am like a -50 point character. LAME!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 04, 2021, 10:48:50 AM
I check that other sites trouble ticket forum occasionally to what is ban worthy. smh. I look up user names of folks I knew back in the day and usually there's a permaban involved. And the old user names that are still active have always toed the line. The fact there even needs to be a trouble ticket forum with that many posts should tell me something. rpg.net is toxic. When I still posted I got a 30 day ban for saying I can change whatever I want in a published adventure that I had bought. I was accused of straight-washing by a mod. I said I could change the sexual preference of an NPC if I wanted.

Looks like they're also handing out infractions and bans for messaging the mods instead of sending to an email. Totalitarianism much.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ShieldWife on February 04, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
The bell curve is really that not extreme.

There's a 0.46 chance of an 18 on 3d6.

If you were the smartest kid at your high school that would probably put you at 18.

That's a lot of 18s in the population.  They can't all be Einstein.

It depends on how attributes are distributed in the population. If 3d6 represents how the actual attribute is distributed in the population, then 18 isn’t going to be so rare at all. If 3d6 is just for character creation then maybe not. Sometimes people use IQ/10 = Int, which works in that 10 is about average and 18 is the high end of humanity. The bell curve created by 3d6 would be different from 1/10 of the IQ bell curve of a 100 mean and 15 standard deviation. If we tried to match them up, an 18 Int would correspond to an IQ of 139 in terms of rarity in the population.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 04, 2021, 11:47:02 AM
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The bell curve is really that not extreme.
There's a 0.46 chance of an 18 on 3d6.
If you were the smartest kid at your high school that would probably put you at 18.
That's a lot of 18s in the population.  They can't all be Einstein.
The monkey wrench in those numbers is that there are not 300 million player characters in the US.  What percentage of the population are PC versus NPCs? 

Just for giggles, you can work that backwards, take the number of geniuses, map that to 3d6, and infer the number of PCs in the population.  ;D

[edit, added the quote since we crossed a page boundary]
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on February 04, 2021, 11:47:54 AM
I think a bell curve for attributes tied to symmetrical modifiers doesn't make sense if the majority of examples is skewed towards the upper end. 

As an example of what I mean, here is my solution with a nods towards the population distribution, supporting random rolls, but more than 50% of the population is above average.  It's partly a game play mechanic splitting the difference between competing concerns, using 3d6 in order. :D

ScoreModifier
1-4
2-3-3
4-5-2
6-7-1
8-10+0
11-13+1
14-16+2
17-19+3
20-23+4
24-28+5

Numbers out of the 3-18 range are to illustrate the thought behind the progression for special cases.  You may note that the scores of 10, 13, 16, and 18 still have the same bonus that they have in BEMCI/RC, despite the skew.

 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 09, 2021, 01:20:36 AM
rpg.net took another step towards turning into East Germany. The mods have admonished the users in general for NOT reporting posts in a thread the mods didn’t like.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-a-new-policy-thing.876904/

Pretty soon turning in your fellow posters will be mandatory for wrong think.

I don’t even really know anything about the topic they were discussing. Maybe the posts did cross a line, but the authority figures lashing out at the users looks totalitarian/cult-like to me.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on February 09, 2021, 04:24:57 AM
For those obsessed with 3d6 rolls reflecting the distribution of ability scores in a population, consider two things.

First, 3d6 approximates a normal distribution. With a mean of 10.5, and a standard deviation very close to 3. So the average is between 10 and 11. One deviation above, between 13 and 14. Two, between 16 and 17. Those numbers should look familiar to anyone who's played B/X D&D, because 13 gives a +1 ability score bonus, and 16 gives a +2 ability score bonus. Thus each +1 bonus is equal to 1 standard deviation.

If we continue the progression, then 19 should be +3. Wait, a 19 on a 3d6? That's the second thing to consider. The 3d6 roll approximates the normal distribution, but only out to about 2.5 standard deviations. It doesn't handle truly exceptional individuals. Moldvay fudged the ends to make 18 give a +3, but if we ignore the limitations of the 3d6 roll when modeling a normal distribution, we can expand the ability score table to reflect the full range of human variability.

13 (+1) -- 1 in 5 (household)
16 (+2) -- 1 in 30 (extended family)
19 (+3) -- 1 in 400 (village)
22 (+4) -- 1 in 15,000 (city)
25 (+5) -- 1 in 1.5 million (country)
28 (+6) -- 1 in 400 million (preindustrial world)
31 (+7) -- 1 in 250 billion (more humans than ever existed)

I rounded obscenely, but it's clear the best human of all time would have a score of about 30.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: robh on February 09, 2021, 05:48:44 AM
rpg.net took another step towards turning into East Germany. The mods have admonished the users in general for NOT reporting posts in a thread the mods didn’t like.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-a-new-policy-thing.876904/

Pretty soon turning in your fellow posters will be mandatory for wrong think.

I don’t even really know anything about the topic they were discussing. Maybe the posts did cross a line, but the authority figures lashing out at the users looks totalitarian/cult-like to me.

For fuck sake.
.....Not only must you like solely the things that I say you can like, it is your role to ensure everybody else only likes those things too.... 

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 09, 2021, 06:45:06 AM
I am honestly shocked that (so far) only one or two people got banned in the linked thread. Of course the mods had to close the tread for a spell, because moderating is so exhausting.

Over a fucking cartoon.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Snark Knight on February 09, 2021, 06:58:56 AM
rpg.net took another step towards turning into East Germany. The mods have admonished the users in general for NOT reporting posts in a thread the mods didn’t like.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-a-new-policy-thing.876904/

Pretty soon turning in your fellow posters will be mandatory for wrong think.

I don’t even really know anything about the topic they were discussing. Maybe the posts did cross a line, but the authority figures lashing out at the users looks totalitarian/cult-like to me.
Just when you think they've hit the bottom... I genuinely didn't think it would be quite so literal until I read the post for myself. The hell is in the water there?

I am honestly shocked that (so far) only one or two people got banned in the linked thread. Of course the mods had to close the tread for a spell, because moderating is so exhausting.

Over a fucking cartoon.
Read the hecking room, that 'cartoon' is literally responsible for killing anime folx.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 09, 2021, 08:18:13 AM
I am honestly shocked that (so far) only one or two people got banned in the linked thread. Of course the mods had to close the tread for a spell, because moderating is so exhausting.

Over a fucking cartoon.
They also had to close the thread in Trouble Tickets seemingly over the pushback they received from some of the users. I’m guessing those pushing back aren’t regulars on the Tangency sub-forum, so weren’t quite as aware before now just how dystopian the moderation had become. Of course there was one user praising the idea (“Look at me, Senpai!”) of forcing the everyone into being a mini-mod.

In a sane world someone in charge over there would take this as an opportunity to reflect on what rpg.net has become, and maybe step back from the Abyss, but it also seems too late at this point.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 09, 2021, 08:33:37 AM
So, how does one get a Gestapo moderator armband on RPG.NET?  Seems to be very fascist fashionable these days.  Do I need to get one in order to practice/protect my mad Libertarian beliefs?   ;D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 09, 2021, 08:34:09 AM
The wisest course of action would be to dispose of the Tangency forum. Just delete it, and post a notice: this board is not for political discussion, there are a billion other places to do that, please take it elsewhere.

Which of course is why they won't do it. It's hunting over bait for the mods that get their jollies from hitting the ban button.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 09, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
Quote
there are a billion other places to do that

But there you risk getting exposed to opposing points of view or pictures of spiders, without the obligatory trigger warning. Better to stay in the cuddly cocoon.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 09, 2021, 09:01:54 AM
The wisest course of action would be to dispose of the Tangency forum. Just delete it, and post a notice: this board is not for political discussion, there are a billion other places to do that, please take it elsewhere.

Which of course is why they won't do it. It's hunting over bait for the mods that get their jollies from hitting the ban button.

I think the mod closing the entire thread and admonishing all the posters as horrible people for not reporting a bad post is indicative of mods getting desperate for a bigger hit off of banning. Like a drug addict who keeps on seeking stronger drugs for a more intense high, now the mods are looking to punish whole groups of users by closing threads and calling out/insulting everyone who was on that thread. The next logical progression would be to ban users who start a thread, but then insufficiently police their thread, even though they aren’t mods, and the mods like to bring out the ban-hammer on those who stray into mod territory.

I swear it looks like the rpg.net mods read 1984 as a how-to guide. Instead of “changing” the past, or math even, as a tool to help keep everyone in fear of The Party, the mods are constantly changing their expectations they have of the users to keep the users on their toes.

Big Snitch is watching you. If you don’t regularly snitch on your own against other users, then Big Snitch will come after you.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 09, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Better to stay in the cuddly cocoon.
Sounds like something the spider would say to its prey.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 09, 2021, 10:15:22 AM
Well, a guy got permabanned for posting this:

As mentioned, the reason to play DnD as a game is because you want to get into fantasy-themed tactical combats and resource management.

In order to provided level-based challenges, enemies and other challenges like trap damage are calibrated around certain level expectations - people like BlogOfHolding and SongOfTheBlade have managed to backport the math so that, for example, a level 6 monster is calibrated to do roughly 12 damage per round to a single player.

The classes as currently designed are intended to, one way or another, meet enemies of their level and be able to deal sufficient damage or keep their allies alive to do so.

The risk in multiclassing is that unless you're doing short dips or you know your build is basically a straight upgrade, that you fall behind on the expected damage or power curve. This means extra work goes either on the shoulders of your party (they have to work harder to compensate for you), or on the shoulders of your DM (they have to work out what your effective level is to construct appropriate challenges).


https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/manwhat-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.876758/

Note: I disagree with his assumption (the reason to play DnD as a game is because you want to get into fantasy-themed tactical combats and resource management.). To me D&D is (and can be) much more than this. But... what in the hell there could be in his post that justifies a permabam??????? I read and re-read it ten times and I'm stuck.  ???

BTW, this is the official motivation: manwhat, in the year 2020 you had 7 infractions including a week and thirty day bans. You have regularly been aggressive and condescending in D&D threads and despite your long infraction history have not changed your behavior. Reviewing your history, the thirty day ban was when you basically admitted to trolling and purposefully raising the temperature of threads.

Aggressive? Condescending? Now stating your own fucking opinion is reason enough for a permaban? They are really in need of professional help up there.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 09, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
rpg.net took another step towards turning into East Germany. The mods have admonished the users in general for NOT reporting posts in a thread the mods didn’t like.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-a-new-policy-thing.876904/

Pretty soon turning in your fellow posters will be mandatory for wrong think.

I don’t even really know anything about the topic they were discussing. Maybe the posts did cross a line, but the authority figures lashing out at the users looks totalitarian/cult-like to me.

I loved and still love the pushback they received about it. Telling posters to report a thread or Else! was going to go over so well. While not actively understanding why it would be an "issue". I don't know threatening to ban posters if they don't report a thread is showing that they are so "welcoming" at the site. The Tone deaf apology about being overworked is bullshit. Only so many times one can hide behind that before it becomes an excuse and a stale and poor one at that.

Remember kids the rpgsite is the most regressive and repressive site out on the Internet.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: theOutlander on February 09, 2021, 10:27:04 AM
I loved and still love the psuhback they received about it. Telling posters to report a thread or Else! was going to go over so well.

Lol, indeed. And completely expected when you start powertripping with the "I'm personally angry, therefore I'm right" attitude.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 09, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
Well, a guy got permabanned for posting this:

As mentioned, the reason to play DnD as a game is because you want to get into fantasy-themed tactical combats and resource management.

In order to provided level-based challenges, enemies and other challenges like trap damage are calibrated around certain level expectations - people like BlogOfHolding and SongOfTheBlade have managed to backport the math so that, for example, a level 6 monster is calibrated to do roughly 12 damage per round to a single player.

The classes as currently designed are intended to, one way or another, meet enemies of their level and be able to deal sufficient damage or keep their allies alive to do so.

The risk in multiclassing is that unless you're doing short dips or you know your build is basically a straight upgrade, that you fall behind on the expected damage or power curve. This means extra work goes either on the shoulders of your party (they have to work harder to compensate for you), or on the shoulders of your DM (they have to work out what your effective level is to construct appropriate challenges).


https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/manwhat-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-rule-0.876758/

Note: I disagree with his assumption (the reason to play DnD as a game is because you want to get into fantasy-themed tactical combats and resource management.). To me D&D is (and can be) much more than this. But... what in the hell there could be in his post that justifies a permabam??????? I read and re-read it ten times and I'm stuck.  ???

BTW, this is the official motivation: manwhat, in the year 2020 you had 7 infractions including a week and thirty day bans. You have regularly been aggressive and condescending in D&D threads and despite your long infraction history have not changed your behavior. Reviewing your history, the thirty day ban was when you basically admitted to trolling and purposefully raising the temperature of threads.

Aggressive? Condescending? Now stating your own fucking opinion is reason enough for a permaban? They are really in need of professional help up there.
It looks like manwhat had racked up enough badfeels among the mods that they were itching for any excuse to kick him off. Looking at some of his past infractions, he could be somewhat abrasive, but no more so than anyone else here, really.

This is the 'threadcrapping' excuse they use when they want to fuck you over but can't scrape together a justification.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on February 09, 2021, 10:46:19 AM
This is the 'threadcrapping' excuse they use when they want to fuck you over but can't scrape together a justification.

  Nowadays, they rely more on 'Rule 0' and 'not a good fit for the site.'
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 09, 2021, 12:51:37 PM
Another gem: this one led to a one week ban:

I'm maybe stupid, but why was Markov banned at all? The alleged "rape apologia" on their part is a literal text of the novel/show. It's not some wild conjecture, it's what the author says. We can disagree with the writer, that the show should have been written differently, and Markov condemns the events in his post after the spoiler tag. But how is it a forum poster's fault that Mushoku Tensei has rape apologia material in it?

Should RPG.net run a justice system, the prosecutor would be arrested for describing the alleged crimes of the defendant.

Amazing. You go to RPG.net, you open a random thread and they just keep giving.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 09, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
rpg.net took another step towards turning into East Germany. The mods have admonished the users in general for NOT reporting posts in a thread the mods didn’t like.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/is-this-a-new-policy-thing.876904/

Pretty soon turning in your fellow posters will be mandatory for wrong think.

I don’t even really know anything about the topic they were discussing. Maybe the posts did cross a line, but the authority figures lashing out at the users looks totalitarian/cult-like to me.

Quote from: some clueless poster
Maybe mods will provide a whitelist.



Here we are, kids.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 09, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
Another gem: this one led to a one week ban:

I'm maybe stupid, but why was Markov banned at all? The alleged "rape apologia" on their part is a literal text of the novel/show. It's not some wild conjecture, it's what the author says. We can disagree with the writer, that the show should have been written differently, and Markov condemns the events in his post after the spoiler tag. But how is it a forum poster's fault that Mushoku Tensei has rape apologia material in it?

Should RPG.net run a justice system, the prosecutor would be arrested for describing the alleged crimes of the defendant.

Amazing. You go to RPG.net, you open a random thread and they just keep giving.

Thou shalt NOT question the High Priests of Woke! If you%u2019re confused as to why the ban-hammer struck, you must stay silent and simply accept the punishment meted out. Similar to how The Party conditioned everyone to bow to authority to such a degree that nobody would openly question the %u201Cincrease%u201D of the chocolate ration to 20 grams.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 09, 2021, 01:58:03 PM
Oh come the fuck on...none of this is real.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on February 09, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
Thou shalt NOT question the High Priests of Woke!

PRIESTESSES. Take a 30 day ban for misgendering, sexism, Holdoing, Hodoring, and HoHoHo-ing.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ponta1010 on February 09, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
My question is twofold
1) When will this end. If anime is so bad, then shouldn't any reference to anime rpg's also be banned?
2) Given similar problematic themes (ie rape) also occurs in other genres, for example superhero comics, shouldn't discussion of superheroes (and therefore superhero rpgs) also fall under a ban? Will you be able to discuss rpgs at that site anytime soon?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on February 09, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
My question is twofold
1) When will this end. If anime is so bad, then shouldn't any reference to anime rpg's also be banned?
2) Given similar problematic themes (ie rape) also occurs in other genres, for example superhero comics, shouldn't discussion of superheroes (and therefore superhero rpgs) also fall under a ban? Will you be able to discuss rpgs at that site anytime soon?
My joke has been that they will eventually ban the use of English and then all comprehensible languages because they exclude non-English speakers/the illiterate. Only unintelligible gibberish will be allowed.

I also argue this may have already happened based on the word salad coming from there that I’m reading.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 09, 2021, 04:07:40 PM
My question is twofold
1) When will this end. If anime is so bad, then shouldn't any reference to anime rpg's also be banned?
2) Given similar problematic themes (ie rape) also occurs in other genres, for example superhero comics, shouldn't discussion of superheroes (and therefore superhero rpgs) also fall under a ban? Will you be able to discuss rpgs at that site anytime soon?
My joke has been that they will eventually ban the use of English and then all comprehensible languages because they exclude non-English speakers/the illiterate. Only unintelligible gibberish will be allowed.

I also argue this may have already happened based on the word salad coming from there that I’m reading.

Nothing that South Park hadn't predicted 25 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hankey,_the_Christmas_Poo
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 09, 2021, 04:19:17 PM
The sad part is they were and are so used to getting their way that seemed genuinely confused it went over badly. Then again given how the majority of the posters close their eyes on the site for fear of being banned. While going along with the mods decisions why would the mods behave any differently really. Still nice to see even the sheep have some form of minimal standards and what they will tolerate.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 09, 2021, 04:52:11 PM
The sad part is they were and are so used to getting their way that seemed genuinely confused it went over badly. Then again given how the majority of the posters close their eyes on the site for fear of being banned. While going along with the mods decisions why would the mods behave any differently really. Still nice to see even the sheep have some form of minimal standards and what they will tolerate.

It must have surprised them to get 9 pages of mostly pushback from so many different members in such a short time frame. As it is they’ve closed the thread to stop the pushback, and give themselves time to come up with some sort of framework to re-assert themselves as the righteous after closing the anime went over so poorly.

Another long time user recently asked for a perman for himself (mods didn’t really like him arguing that people have a right to determine what to call themselves…Americans calling themselves Americans is bad, don’t you know.) and the mods tried to talk him out of it. The user saw the dumpster fire going on with the anime thread and said he was even more sure he wanted the permaban for himself. The mods might worry that their users interested in anime might decide to go to an actual anime forum for their discussions. Rpg.net is getting more like a closed religious organization, and less of a place for wide-ranging nerdy discussions.

The last post in the thread a mod/admin seems to be taking on the White Man’s Burden to reform Japanese culture.

It’s amazing that if part of a discussion didn’t generate any reports, the mods reaction isn’t that the users are taking the discussion in stride as mature people might do, but that their users are deficient and worthy of getting their thread taken away. If it didn’t bother any of a large number of participants enough for any to report, maybe the issue is with you, the mod.

I find some of what they were talking about in the anime threads bothersome, but I also realize not every thread has to be there for me, and that I’m no longer current with the anime fandom. They’re not (for the most part) looking to discuss Ghosts in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop or Studio Ghibli films, and I realize that’s ok.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 09, 2021, 05:04:24 PM
Rpg.net is getting more like a closed religious organization, and less of a place for wide-ranging nerdy discussions.
They banned someone for a post that started with:

I'm maybe stupid, but why was Markov banned at all?

I.e. for asking clarification about how to behave on their forum and why a certain post was wrong. Someone who only wanted to understand what they did deem right. Any religion that wants to go beyond a fad will go above and beyond to proselytise and clarify what is considered right and wrong for them. So... RPG.net right now fails even as a cult.
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The last post in the thread a mod/admin seems to be taking on the White Man’s Burden to reform Japanese culture.
Yup. Stunning, isn't it? How fast "inclusivity" goes out of the window every time it implies acceptance of deeply different cultural values. It would almost seem that for some people "to be inclusive" actually means a pulpit and a megaphone...  ::)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Snark Knight on February 09, 2021, 05:20:59 PM
My question is twofold
1) When will this end. If anime is so bad, then shouldn't any reference to anime rpg's also be banned?
2) Given similar problematic themes (ie rape) also occurs in other genres, for example superhero comics, shouldn't discussion of superheroes (and therefore superhero rpgs) also fall under a ban? Will you be able to discuss rpgs at that site anytime soon?
My joke has been that they will eventually ban the use of English and then all comprehensible languages because they exclude non-English speakers/the illiterate. Only unintelligible gibberish will be allowed.

I also argue this may have already happened based on the word salad coming from there that I’m reading.

W*ite European Colonisers forced the English language upon many indigenous POC, therefore it must be banned.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 09, 2021, 05:43:12 PM
W*ite European Colonisers forced the English language upon many indigenous POC, therefore it must be banned.
Along with Spanish, French, Portuguese, Dutch... And I'm sure I forgetting some others.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on February 09, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Another gem: this one led to a one week ban:

I'm maybe stupid, but why was Markov banned at all? The alleged "rape apologia" on their part is a literal text of the novel/show. It's not some wild conjecture, it's what the author says. We can disagree with the writer, that the show should have been written differently, and Markov condemns the events in his post after the spoiler tag. But how is it a forum poster's fault that Mushoku Tensei has rape apologia material in it?

Should RPG.net run a justice system, the prosecutor would be arrested for describing the alleged crimes of the defendant.

Amazing. You go to RPG.net, you open a random thread and they just keep giving.

This is actually referring to the same post they were outraged that users didn't report.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SavageSchemer on February 09, 2021, 07:21:32 PM
I love how the mods kept trying to make it ABOUT anime and "rape apologia" and "normalizing uncomfortable things" and the users kept pushing back with, "no - it's about how your own mod broke your own fucking rules when he posted and, oh by the way, demanded we all become the Rpgnet Gestapo in the process. You need to provide some clarity on that bullshit".

Then they pull out the old canard, "we're just volunteers and we're oh so very tired". I swear you can build a fucking drinking game around that particular yarn.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on February 09, 2021, 07:26:18 PM
I love how the mods kept trying to make it ABOUT anime and "rape apologia" and "normalizing uncomfortable things" and the users kept pushing back with, "no - it's about how your own mod broke your own fucking rules when he posted and, oh by the way, demanded we all become the Rpgnet Gestapo in the process. You need to provide some clarity on that bullshit".

Then they pull out the old canard, "we're just volunteers and we're oh so very tired". I swear you can build a fucking drinking game around that particular yarn.
And also intent is irrelevant unless you're a mod in which case it's "I didn't mean it that way".
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 09, 2021, 08:24:09 PM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 09, 2021, 08:45:58 PM
Discussion there makes me think of having bad tea and stale scones with your girlfriend's grumpy old grandmother. It's all rather stilted, stifled and you feel nervous all the time and apologise before you've even done anything, and you know that whatever you do she'll be bad-mouthing you soon.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on February 09, 2021, 09:05:05 PM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).

Holy shit, that's for real? As in, that thread actually occurred in nature? :o

Wow. Just... wow.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 09, 2021, 09:53:40 PM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).

Holy shit, that's for real? As in, that thread actually occurred in nature? :o

Wow. Just... wow.

I know right?! And the mod response is so magnanimous and condescending. smh
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 10, 2021, 02:55:32 AM
Oh come the fuck on...none of this is real.

We can only wish that were so. But for who knows what reason its a reality over there. And unfortunately its trying to spill over into offline gaming.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Semaj Khan on February 10, 2021, 03:25:20 AM
In the final analysis, perhaps it's a good thing that the majority of gamers, especially old schoolers, don't interact with gaming sites online.

Maybe shit like that is an aberration... sort of like that little skin cancer on your shoulder blade or something. Easily removed with a shot of whiskey, a mirror, and a pocket knife.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 10, 2021, 06:31:33 AM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).
So, I´m thinking of having my character be intersex but I´d like to put the idea out to see if I can do it without being insensitive towards RL people.

I could understand the worry of this poster if referred to people in his gaming group. I had episodes where something made a player uncomfortable (in 35+ years of playing RPGs). What makes it beyond belief is how the discussion does seem to include the whole world - i.e. the 6 billion of people who aren't giving a shit about your game and don't know shit about it.

The line between public and private disappeared and no one is realising it. What a fuckup.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 10, 2021, 06:36:42 AM
I think in this case it was about a character he (she?) would play on the pbp subforum, so to avoid the banhammer if someone else would take offence.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 10, 2021, 06:53:42 AM
We can only wish that were so. But for who knows what reason its a reality over there. And unfortunately its trying to spill over into offline gaming.

I firmly believe the posters over there are just five mentally ill people and a bunch of sockpuppets and bots. That's the only thing that makes any sense at this point.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 10, 2021, 07:15:49 AM
I have personally met with 3 users, so add in a mod and its different sockpuppet mod-accounts, and you get to 5 (no formal comment on my mental state).
Except me and the other 3 stopped posting there, so yeah... the place is running empty of old time gamers.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 10, 2021, 08:19:17 AM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).
Of all sad words of tongue and pen,
The saddest are these: RPGPundit was right again.

Well, not that sad, but the fact is that RPGnet is basically a lost cause. Someone once suggested the only way to fix it at this point would be to physically purchase the servers and software, evict every mod, and start over.

I don't even blame Brad for disbelieving, because at times it seems less like real people and more like a program spouting out prepackaged responses to trigger conditions.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: theOutlander on February 10, 2021, 08:29:16 AM
trigger conditions.

Hehe.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on February 10, 2021, 09:07:54 AM
I don't even blame Brad for disbelieving, because at times it seems less like real people and more like a program spouting out prepackaged responses to trigger conditions.
In which case, RPG.net fails the Turing Test; it’s not even artificially intelligent and outside observers are unconvinced it’s real.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 10, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
In which case, RPG.net fails the Turing Test; it’s not even artificially intelligent and outside observers are unconvinced it’s real.

I can predict the exact series of responses on any topic I post over there, which means it's simply some sort of crappy algorithm.

Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 10, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
I think in this case it was about a character he (she?) would play on the pbp subforum, so to avoid the banhammer if someone else would take offence.

Right, you put it more succinctly. What I got from it was the OP was aware and would probably play with consideration. I'm just...baffled.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on February 10, 2021, 12:45:15 PM
Holy moly Pundit was right. I get it's a public forum and that others are likely to read it but in all honesty, unless someone was looking to be offended this is crazy https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/ (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/pbp-playing-characters-different-from-oneself.876341/).
Of all sad words of tongue and pen,
The saddest are these: RPGPundit was right again.

Well, not that sad, but the fact is that RPGnet is basically a lost cause. Someone once suggested the only way to fix it at this point would be to physically purchase the servers and software, evict every mod, and start over.

I don't even blame Brad for disbelieving, because at times it seems less like real people and more like a program spouting out prepackaged responses to trigger conditions.

 :D LOL, made me laugh.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on February 10, 2021, 01:03:07 PM
In which case, RPG.net fails the Turing Test; it’s not even artificially intelligent and outside observers are unconvinced it’s real.

I can predict the exact series of responses on any topic I post over there, which means it's simply some sort of crappy algorithm.

Prove me wrong.

I can't prove you wrong.  It is the kind of thing someone at Google would do.  My only counter-evidence is that if Google did it, it would be more convincing. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on February 10, 2021, 01:27:33 PM
In which case, RPG.net fails the Turing Test; it’s not even artificially intelligent and outside observers are unconvinced it’s real.

I can predict the exact series of responses on any topic I post over there, which means it's simply some sort of crappy algorithm.

Prove me wrong.
Not possible. The algorithm of failure over there has excluded any responses outside a very narrow band of lunacy. If they slice off just a few more you could just assign them to the faces of the 4-sider inside a Magic 8-ball and forgo any need for fancy coding.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 10, 2021, 02:46:39 PM
Tangent: A magic 8-ball has 20 faces.  You can see all the results here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Spinachcat on February 10, 2021, 08:04:49 PM
Oh come the fuck on...none of this is real.

That's pretty much my response looking at the news or the neighborhood.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Spinachcat on February 10, 2021, 08:10:11 PM
1) When will this end. If anime is so bad, then shouldn't any reference to anime rpg's also be banned?

YES! Unless the mods like that anime, and in that case, you will be banned for suggesting their favorite anime game be banned. LOGIC!!

Will you be able to discuss rpgs at that site anytime soon?

Everyone is always welcome to post on RPG.net as long as you type the correct words...and if your words stay correct into their brave new future.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2021, 08:31:26 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/das-golem-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban.877239/

See, now this makes me want to make an account, join a game with 'name your own/build your own powers' and name one after the Sneering Imperialist perk from Fallout: New Vegas. Just to be a dick.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 15, 2021, 09:04:39 AM
Heh, looks like golem's posts were deleted.  So much for learning what actual words triggered the mods.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 15, 2021, 09:24:47 AM
Heh, looks like golem's posts were deleted.  So much for learning what actual words triggered the mods.
I think the mods are trying to make the users terrified of not knowing where the boundaries are by giving vague guidance on some issues, and eliminating posts deemed offensive so that one cannot see what the tripwire for a ban was. Having the rules in a constant state of being hard to comprehend is an old tool of establishing an environment of terror to instill discipline. One eventually stops initiating any action not explicitly endorsed or managed by the leadership cadre. God help you if you wind up associated with a faction of the leadership that finds itself disfavored.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2021, 09:36:50 AM
I think the mods are trying to make the users terrified of not knowing where the boundaries are by giving vague guidance on some issues, and eliminating posts deemed offensive so that one cannot see what the tripwire for a ban was. Having the rules in a constant state of being hard to comprehend is an old tool of establishing an environment of terror to instill discipline. One eventually stops initiating any action not explicitly endorsed or managed by the leadership cadre. God help you if you wind up associated with a faction of the leadership that finds itself disfavored.
Unsurprising. Such is the nature of any kind of despotic system.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Samsquantch on February 16, 2021, 06:34:50 AM
I'm very glad I left that place years ago. I would be banned for sure now just for wrongthink.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on February 16, 2021, 07:44:03 AM
Heh, looks like golem's posts were deleted.  So much for learning what actual words triggered the mods.
I think the mods are trying to make the users terrified of not knowing where the boundaries are by giving vague guidance on some issues, and eliminating posts deemed offensive so that one cannot see what the tripwire for a ban was. Having the rules in a constant state of being hard to comprehend is an old tool of establishing an environment of terror to instill discipline. One eventually stops initiating any action not explicitly endorsed or managed by the leadership cadre. God help you if you wind up associated with a faction of the leadership that finds itself disfavored.
They literally banned a guy for asking clarification as why another post caused a ban.

Edit: And, oh... You can be banned if you write that you didn't like the recent Star Wars movies. For "negativity".

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/did-the-mandalorian-finale-make-you-want-to-pull-out-your-star-wars-rpg.874277/#post-23648431
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 16, 2021, 07:57:00 AM
Well; 'Just Asking Questions' JAQ is a documented bannable offence in the volatile FAQ. Rule 1 actually!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on February 16, 2021, 08:43:31 AM
I'm very glad I left that place years ago. I would be banned for sure now just for wrongthink.
I still have an active and unbanned account there; I think.

Checking would require I have a fuck to give about the site.

The way it’s trending I’d probably be permabanned for having to use the password recovery system anyway (“what? You didn’t memorize your password to THE most important site on the internet? BANNED!!!”).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on February 16, 2021, 09:45:39 AM
The only reason I haven't requested a permanent ban is that I scrambled my email and password 4 years ago, before they started offering them on demand. :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 16, 2021, 10:04:33 AM
At least your posts with faith profession in signature shall haunt their site for all eternity :3
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: cenmarik on February 17, 2021, 12:06:55 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/recovering-cool-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-being-too-awesome.877367/

"Recovering Cool receives a 💀 Permanent Ban: Being Too Awesome"

Recovering Cool said: You'll never get rid of me!

Moderator Text: Recovering Cool, we have warned you several times about exceeding the parameters for acceptable levels of awesomeness clearly laid out in the RPGnet Rules & Guidelines. We are therefore permanently banning you for being too awesome. Appeals may be sent to the admins.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 17, 2021, 12:32:00 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/recovering-cool-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban-being-too-awesome.877367/

"Recovering Cool receives a 💀 Permanent Ban: Being Too Awesome"

Recovering Cool said: You'll never get rid of me!

Moderator Text: Recovering Cool, we have warned you several times about exceeding the parameters for acceptable levels of awesomeness clearly laid out in the RPGnet Rules & Guidelines. We are therefore permanently banning you for being too awesome. Appeals may be sent to the admins.

On another site, that might be funny. On rpg.net, it's tone deaf.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 22, 2021, 10:35:08 AM
So this happened.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/infraction-for-bushido11-17-permanent-ban.834052/

Now, here's where I start scratching my head. Bushido11 was banned in 2018 for, quote:
Quote
There are three large problems with what you've posted. First, you were banned from this thread, yet here you are posting in it again. Second, responding to redtext is against the rules, and here you are doing that, too. And lastly, not only did you sealion in support of MRAs, which is a violation of our sexism policy, you decided to do the above violating of your threadban and replying to moderator redtext in order to*continue to sealion in support of MRAs.

This blatant and willful disregard of*multiple*rules of this site at a single stroke like that indicates that you're not going to be a good fit here, and as a result you're permabanned under Rule 1 and Rule 10. Appeals may be sent to the Admin email.
On Saturday, March 20, Sphinx of Black Quartz posted that his ban was reversed on appeal. However, if you access bushido11's post history, he started posting again on the 12th, over a week before the announcement.

I could buy it taking a day or so to dig up the infraction record, but eight days? And for a three year old ban for 'poor fit on the forum' and 'supporting MRAs'?

Now, I suppose after three years bushido11 wrote an amazing verbal sucking-off of admin that got them to reverse the ban. Or that the originator of said ban (ANT Pogo) had departed and someone else decided he had been too harsh. But this just seems a BIT suspicious and weird.

I could be wrong, I admit. But does this trip the shenanigans detector for anyone else?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 22, 2021, 11:09:10 AM
I suspect that Bushido11 has been “born again” into the Woke, AND that Bushido11 holds some position as either an academic or at a game company where the ban on him was going to be seen as particularly harsh for a new ally. I don’t see them reversing this ban for just some rando who ticked them off years ago even if the rando has become Woke.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 22, 2021, 11:36:18 AM
Not really. More like someone being either being too distracted or just not all that interested to post till later.

Its a fairly common thing.

I've seen delays of upwards of a month. Rare that.

Personally I have a few people banned from my place. But its been so long I am not sure now what the hell they did way back. But to get me to ban someone it usually took alot of effort so I am safe to assume it is best to keep the fuckers on ban.

I've also taken at least two people off ban once the problem was resolved. In one case a player was trying to tell me that I had no right to have a rule in my place that no one could IC'ly force an action on anyone else's character. I then pointed out that A: I was the admin for the area. B: I was the owner of the establishment in that area. And most importantly C: This was just a re-iteration of the site wide rule.
Boy did they pitch a fit about how that was a lie. I have zero patience with IC abuse at that point and banned them.
Then the site admin had a little talk with them letting them know it was all fact.
Their tone changed pronto and I un-banned them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 24, 2021, 02:29:54 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on February 24, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.

  If you go back to the original thread, one of the other posters is on the path to enlightenment:

Quote
I am not trying to borrow trouble but I also had no idea BCAugust was a woman. Is it just safer to not publicly question moderation?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on February 24, 2021, 02:58:09 PM
The performative public executions they were famous for is getting out of hand.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: sureshot on February 24, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
It’s  be like they are not even trying to be remotely polite or civil in anyway. They might as well tell those who don’t like it to fuck off and leave.

If any good came out of this it’s that those who claimed this place was the worst and most repressive place can no longer do so. E other they are stubborn to an incredible degree or just clinically blind.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on February 24, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 24, 2021, 03:05:37 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.

  If you go back to the original thread, one of the other posters is on the path to enlightenment:

Quote
I am not trying to borrow trouble but I also had no idea BCAugust was a woman. Is it just safer to not publicly question moderation?

It's like looking at a domestic abuse victim flinch away from their Significant Other when they raise their voice.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 24, 2021, 03:13:40 PM
Oooh, here's a tasty one.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/kastor-krieg-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-holdo-policy.877754/

Now, the 'Holdo Policy' might as well be called the 'how dare you criticize a female mod in any way, shape, or fashion, shitlord Policy'. Because that's what it amounts to. What amuses me is the guy is trying to tip toe through the social justice minefield and gets blown up anyways. Poor fellow.
He calls himself a “Social Justice Werewolf”. I really can’t feel sorry for him. The revolution eats its own.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 24, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 24, 2021, 05:10:41 PM
I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.
If that’s the case they may have made the right call in the application of the ban, even if the process of getting to the ban was ridiculous. Sounds like the classic male “feminist” predator situation. It is often those who beat their chest the most loudly on moral/ethical issues are often putting on camouflage for their own faults.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on February 24, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
I wonder how many predators are amongst the mods. Weird and cliquely RPG types have a strong propensity to sexual deviancy, add in the male feminist factor and I shudder at the percentage.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 24, 2021, 07:00:46 PM
I laughed very hard as I recognize this guy from Polish RPG community, he's like Big Purple Werewolf here, also quite classic predator pretending to be male-feminist, often making announcements about his oWoD - mostly Werewolf sessions for wom*n only / or with female preference.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/5d/b8/8c5db8965ff4a4f228ebd77ed48a96af.gif)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Fergurg on February 24, 2021, 08:04:02 PM
So far this week, two people have been banned (one permanently) for asking a question about a moderator's call.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Brigman on February 24, 2021, 08:09:29 PM
Like Leia said... the tighter they clench their fist, the more star systems will slip through their fingers... or something like that.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Snark Knight on February 24, 2021, 08:43:32 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...
It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on February 24, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
I dunno, I figure there's the deleted scene where Holodo's having dinner at a fancy restaurant when she gets the call that the fleet's pulling out, so she runs for the shuttle in evening wear and inappropriate shoes and as she makes her apologies to her date she says, "I swear, I've had it with this damn resistance movement, If I was in charge I'd run it right off a cliff just to be done with it."
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 25, 2021, 09:24:52 AM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...
It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.
This, pretty much. What surprises me is that they opted to call it 'Holdo-ing' since the character in question really wasn't particularly competent (I've heard comparisons to the infamous Steiner 'social generals' from Battletech. Fairly apt, in my opinion).

But yeah, they consider any criticism of their oh-so-fragile fem moderators as 'Holdo-ing'. How dare you! (spoken in snotty Swedish accent)

The only way you can question a mod call is to email their general gmail account... which may get read, eventually. No guarantees they'll get back to you.

EDIT: Because I didn't want to double-post, but check this out.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/how-does-an-appeal-work.877744/

My favorite: "Each user page has a Warnings tab that is visible only to that user and to the mods. A lot of our posters fret about this, and worry that it is some kind of "permanent record," or that past a certain point our bar for moderating or banning a poster gets lower.

But that is emphatically not true, and I advise you not to think of it that way. It's not a "scoreboard" (to use your term); it only provides context. Generally speaking, we weigh recent history much more heavily than the past, and most of all we look for patterns to inform our moderation."

This seems weirdly contradictory. Or is it just me?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 25, 2021, 10:06:55 AM
Seems more like an excuse, the infaction does not matter as much as the overall behavior.  That way they can justify out of proportion 'punishments' for bad think.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 25, 2021, 10:32:29 AM

This seems weirdly contradictory. Or is it just me?

You’re not wrong. It is a scoreboard. They use it as such. The claim that they weigh the recent infractions (points) more heavily than earlier infractions doesn’t mean it’s not a scoreboard. If true, it just means they weigh the points differently based on time gone past, but I find that claim difficult to believe.

What the mod wrote is essentially doublethink. There are probably many posters and mods at TBP who honestly hold that contradictory view, and don’t realize it’s doublethink. The real bastards are the ones who do understand it’s doublethink, and embrace it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 25, 2021, 10:51:25 AM
The domestic abuse comparison makes me twitch, but damn if it doesn't seem appropriate.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/reiteration-on-an-old-trend-since-it-continues-to-crop-up-holdo-ing.874913/

They have basically asserted that:
(a) fem mods get more pushback than males
(b) therefore such responses are not legitimate and grounds for banning

This is so hilariously stupid, if I hadn't seen people banned over it I would assume it is a joke.

A line from R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket comes to mind: 'You are all equally worthless.' That's pretty much my reaction to TBP's moderating, regardless of creed or gender or any other characteristic.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: captain_jimmy on February 25, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
They're at it again!
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/so-jordan-peterson-keeps-poppin-up-in-my-youtube-recommendations.877643/post-23761472

Mod throws their weight around and uses redtext to decide what is and isn't acceptable in a thread.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on February 25, 2021, 03:12:09 PM
They're at it again!
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/so-jordan-peterson-keeps-poppin-up-in-my-youtube-recommendations.877643/post-23761472

Mod throws their weight around and uses redtext to decide what is and isn't acceptable in a thread.

Not "again". "Still".

It's constant. They never stop, and they never will.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: captain_jimmy on February 25, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
I think this Lewis Carroll quote is appropriate..
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on February 25, 2021, 03:24:48 PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

C.S. Lewis, not Lewis Carroll; but yes, I agree. I've seen that one pop up a lot recently.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on February 25, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Quote
[User is] ... banned for one day for each of the following things:
1. Do not PM mods about redtext.
2. We don't accept third party appeals.
3. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
4. Holdoing
5. Blatant holdoing
6. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
7. Really blatant holdoing

I guess there are degrees of holdoing that I didn't even know existed.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 25, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Quote
[User is] ... banned for one day for each of the following things:
1. Do not PM mods about redtext.
2. We don't accept third party appeals.
3. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
4. Holdoing
5. Blatant holdoing
6. DO NOT PM MODS ABOUT REDTEXT!!
7. Really blatant holdoing

I guess there are degrees of holdoing that I didn't even know existed.
It's Holdo-ing all the way down.

It's interesting. They could've handed Holdo's role over to an established character -- Mon Mothma, for example -- but then they would have to explain where Mothma's brains leaked out for doing stupid shit, as she was depicted as a major political and military player in the Rebellion.

Or handed it off to Leia, but then, same problem.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on February 25, 2021, 10:49:41 PM
Wtf is "Holdoing"? Also, I thought we weren't supposed to assume anyone's gender, or does that only apply when it won't benefit them? Like I will be nicer to chicks, but it's bad to be nicer to chicks unless they are getting free drinks, even though I'm a terrible person for assuming they want a free drink or that they're female, but I had better buy them that drink lest I be an asshole.

And then modern Western women wonder why they're dying alone with their cats...
It's doing a heckin' sexism by criticising TBP moderator Qweens (:pray:) because something, something, toxic masculinity means those who're identified as women receive more 'blowback on moderator decisions'.

The term probably refers to when people were critical of Holdo in The Last Jedi, but the pushback against that from the Usual Suspects came in the form of "you just can't tolerate a Strong Woman(tm) in a position of authority!" rather than because both her leadership strategy and actions were genuinely terrible.
This, pretty much. What surprises me is that they opted to call it 'Holdo-ing' since the character in question really wasn't particularly competent (I've heard comparisons to the infamous Steiner 'social generals' from Battletech. Fairly apt, in my opinion).

But yeah, they consider any criticism of their oh-so-fragile fem moderators as 'Holdo-ing'. How dare you! (spoken in snotty Swedish accent)

The only way you can question a mod call is to email their general gmail account... which may get read, eventually. No guarantees they'll get back to you.

The best part is the assumption that when certain moderators are complained about more, it is a function of the complainers, not the mod.  Maybe the fact that a mod gets more complaints is because they are worse at it?  "Holdoing" serves the same purpose as accusations of racism.  It acts as a shield for the incompetent.  See, there are stupid people of every race, color, and creed.  By reflexively rejecting responsibility for performance, these accusations serve to immunize the stupid who deserve to be rejected.  Good mods (or anything, really) don't need that much defending.  So SJWism is really just a defense mechanism for those that are actually inferior.  It just conflates legitimate complaints about inferiority with baseless ones about race and sex.  "No, I can't be a moron.  I'm a woman!"
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on February 26, 2021, 01:25:39 PM
The best part is the assumption that when certain moderators are complained about more, it is a function of the complainers, not the mod.  Maybe the fact that a mod gets more complaints is because they are worse at it?

...Good mods (or anything, really) don't need that much defending.  So SJWism ... just conflates legitimate complaints about inferiority with baseless ones about race and sex.

And it also doesn't help that this conflation can create bad results whichever direction you take the policy -- whether one defaults to assuming all complaints are legitimate unless proven otherwise, or assume all complaints are baseless bigotry unless proven otherwise, you're going to screw over somebody's good faith criticisms sooner or later.

I admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: captain_jimmy on February 26, 2021, 02:10:51 PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

C.S. Lewis, not Lewis Carroll; but yes, I agree. I've seen that one pop up a lot recently.

Yep, my bad. :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on February 26, 2021, 02:53:57 PM
I admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on February 26, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
Well the Social Justice Werewolf has been permabanned for questioning mods. Apparently the mods made him promise before to stay away from ‘political’ threads, though that would seem to be nearly impossible to honor since under the Woke lense everything is political, and to disagree that all is political is to be a horrible person. Another member got banned from Trouble Tickets for asking if one might be better off to not ask questions about mod calls. He got his answer.

If somebody tried to make a script of this for a movie mocking Wokeness I think most folks reviewing scripts would send it back as ridiculous.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 26, 2021, 04:48:22 PM
(http://rampantgames.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/let-them-fight.jpg)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 01:13:58 PM
I admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.

Is that why the logo changed? I had looked it up when it changed to see if it was pre or post Floyd; seeing it was pre I had assumed it wasn't for wokeshit reasons.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2021, 01:27:57 PM
I admit to some surprise at my own cynicism about the matter but I am more and more beginning to think that the only really fair moderation policy is the one I have seen here, among others, to wit: "Our space, our rules. We don't care who else you tick off, but don't tick us off."  (Which I basically think is what TBP's policy amounts to, at this point: I would just have more respect for them if they'd admit it.)

I think the problem may be one or more moderators over there and other fora with both an agenda that follows the usual death spiral, and possibly some moderators brainwashed into believers. And its obvious one or two are also power tripping and really do not care what the rules are because all that matters is the rush they get from banning someone. Or worse. The rush from banning someone innocent of any wrongdoing and painting that person as evil now.

Others are complete cyphers as to why they are acting so. But we see the same gradually over on BGG where their old logo was removed because it was not "inclusive" enough. Or games are being censored because they are deemed "offensive". Except over there your game can ever so conveniently be overlooked if you grease some palms.

Its upsetting really to see people who used to be fine going gradually more and more not fine. It reminds me far too much of relatives who went slowly insane. Two of which spent their final years in an utterly horrific living death.

Is that why the logo changed? I had looked it up when it changed to see if it was pre or post Floyd; seeing it was pre I had assumed it wasn't for wokeshit reasons.
TBP is deeply sensitive to any form of racism, regardless if it actually exists or not.

Reference:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/fedifensor-receives-a-%F0%9F%94%B4-warning-dismissal-of-racism.878282/
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/efaun-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-downplaying-racism-right-after-redtext.878307/

What I find fascinating is how this illustrates the reactive, highly emotional tendencies of wokeists. To them, approaching the question in a dispassionate, clinical way is simply downplaying or excusing racism.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 08, 2021, 01:45:49 PM
The moderator says do not treat racism as an intellectual exercise.

Antonyms:
anti-intellectual, uncultivated, lowbrowed, mindless, physical, lowbrow, nonintellectual, philistine

Uhm....ok? 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on March 08, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
Timeless principles? Nah. Who needs those?? We have current year morality!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 08, 2021, 01:54:30 PM
So am I right in just assuming the "moderators" are just regular posters who get to ban anyone they disagree with? Doesn't seem like there are any actual rules broken beyond, "You're saying things I don't like."
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 08, 2021, 02:30:43 PM
So am I right in just assuming the "moderators" are just regular posters who get to ban anyone they disagree with? Doesn't seem like there are any actual rules broken beyond, "You're saying things I don't like."

Orwell is appropriate.
‘ “Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”’

Though I prefer John 18:38's laconic Pilate.
"Pilate asked him, "What is truth?".
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 08, 2021, 03:06:19 PM
So am I right in just assuming the "moderators" are just regular posters who get to ban anyone they disagree with? Doesn't seem like there are any actual rules broken beyond, "You're saying things I don't like."

The Rules haven't mattered for at least 15 years.  Even when they did they were pretty pathetic.

They were like the teacher who misses the kid throwing things at his classmates behind the teacher's back all day and then suddenly responds to the kid who finally loses patience and throws something back.

And when that didn't earn them any respect they just turned to flat out bullying.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on March 08, 2021, 03:22:05 PM
The moderator says do not treat racism as an intellectual exercise.

Antonyms:
anti-intellectual, uncultivated, lowbrowed, mindless, physical, lowbrow, nonintellectual, philistine

Uhm....ok?
Dogma?

Definition of Dogma by Merriam-Webster
dogma: [noun] a code of such tenets. a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on March 08, 2021, 03:23:22 PM
So am I right in just assuming the "moderators" are just regular posters who get to ban anyone they disagree with? Doesn't seem like there are any actual rules broken beyond, "You're saying things I don't like."
I think the fear in not knowing what the actual rules are is one of the woke’s objectives. Many eventually find themselves cowering only willing to restate or repeat approved messages and viewpoints. Once the woke feel secure in their position, then the infighting between factions begins in earnest.

What makes me a little sick is that if and when wokeism ends, many will try to justify their behavior by claiming to mean well, and had their hearts on the right place. The woke do not mean well, and their hearts are not in the right place. They have the moral and ethics of hyenas that eat their own pack members when the opportunity occurs. A lot of what motivates them is very similar to what motivated the moral majority types in the 70s, 80s and 90s. They want the ability to proclaim their own virtue and cast stones.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Trond on March 08, 2021, 03:49:12 PM
Quote
Argent said:
Hopefully he does not, since he saw it good to launch into transphobic screds on Twitter.

Oh man, Argent is still going at it? He's been doing his feminist thing on there for well over a decade now.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 08, 2021, 03:58:34 PM
The moderator says do not treat racism as an intellectual exercise.

Antonyms:
anti-intellectual, uncultivated, lowbrowed, mindless, physical, lowbrow, nonintellectual, philistine

Uhm....ok?
Dogma?

Definition of Dogma by Merriam-Webster
dogma: [noun] a code of such tenets. a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.

Lol. Maybe!

Though I think the consistency of the truly dogmatic flatters them a bit.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 08, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 08, 2021, 06:20:33 PM
The Rules haven't mattered for at least 15 years.  Even when they did they were pretty pathetic.

They were like the teacher who misses the kid throwing things at his classmates behind the teacher's back all day and then suddenly responds to the kid who finally loses patience and throws something back.
Interestingly, that is the exact scenario which led to where they are today.

A bunch of furries created a Trouble Tickets petition demanding an Emotionally Safe Environment. What'd happened was that occasionally someone would post something racist or sexist, something genuinely offensive, and everyone would assume everyone else had hit the report button, so sometimes it might take as much as half an hour before the guy got banned. In the meantime everyone was calling him a cunt - but then the people calling him a cunt got banned for personal attacks, too.

The furry petitioners demanded that they be allowed to call people cunts, if they were obviously going to be banned for some other horrific offence anyway. Which is to say, they wanted the personal attack rule waived for them.

Whereas the mods at the time were more like to the teacher who finds kids fighting and suspends them all.

This petition was widely-mocked at the time, but gradually its thinking seeped into that of the members and eventually the moderators. Get enough reports saying the same thing in your inbox and eventually you get persuaded to create an Emotionally Safe Environment.

And this is also how you find that a man born into a royal family who inherited $30 million from his mother, and his wife who when she last worked was on $450,000 a year, who have just signed a $100 million Netflix deal, and who say they want their privacy then appear on Oprah, can say with a straight face that they are victims of systemic oppression, in fact the woman is like Ariel in Little Mermaid.

Likewise, people who are well off enough to own electronics and an internet connection, and who have leisure time to game and write about games, living in the most prosperous and free parts of the world, in the most prosperous and free time in human history, can claim systemic oppression. And so they need an Emotionally Safe Environment.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2021, 06:30:10 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.

That sounds like you are being Super phobic.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 08, 2021, 06:32:53 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.

That sounds like you are being Super phobic.

Wait is Super Phobic a gender identity or a type of prejudice or both?  I can't keep up with the lingo. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2021, 06:42:26 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.

That sounds like you are being Super phobic.

Wait is Super Phobic a gender identity or a type of prejudice or both?  I can't keep up with the lingo.

Super Straight is a gender identity

People that are prejudiced against Super Straight people are Super phobic.

It is pretty straight forward.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 08, 2021, 07:01:43 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.

That sounds like you are being Super phobic.
I was radicalized by Watchmen. Alan Moore is the Evil Santa of anti-meta hate.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 08, 2021, 07:03:45 PM
Pat, don't joke about that. Twitter told me today that Pepe Le Pew added to rape culture (https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/1368200161558663168).

This is serious business.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 08, 2021, 08:18:40 PM
There is a new gender identity now: Super Straight

I wonder how they are going to deal with that?
The acronym is SS and the logo looks like two balls with an arrow thru them. I'd say it's deliberate bait.

That sounds like you are being Super phobic.

Wait is Super Phobic a gender identity or a type of prejudice or both?  I can't keep up with the lingo.

Super Straight is a gender identity

People that are prejudiced against Super Straight people are Super phobic.

It is pretty straight forward.

Cheers!  Thanks for clearing that up 👍.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 08, 2021, 08:37:23 PM
Pat, don't joke about that. Twitter told me today that Pepe Le Pew added to rape culture (https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/1368200161558663168).

This is serious business.
Pepe le Pew is the Comedian of Merry Melodies.

Picture a circular black and white kissy face pin, defaced by a single drop of bean juice.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
Pepe le Pew is pretty rapey though.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 08, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
Pepe le Pew is pretty rapey though.
You're right, I never should have compared him to the Comedian. They're completely different that way.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2021, 09:04:41 PM
Pepe le Pew is pretty rapey though.
You're right, I never should have compared him to the Comedian. They're completely different that way.

I am no Watchmen aficionado so I can easily have gotten this one wrong.

I thought the whole premise of the Watchmen was to find out who canceled the Comedian.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 08, 2021, 09:09:02 PM
Pepe le Pew is pretty rapey though.
You're right, I never should have compared him to the Comedian. They're completely different that way.

I am no Watchmen aficionado so I can easily have gotten this one wrong.

I thought the whole premise of the Watchmen was to find out who canceled the Comedian.
(Not in black text: Comedian is the rapiest of rapey characters, the ur-rapist of the Rape Iron Age of comics.)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 09, 2021, 12:28:10 AM
Pepe le Pew is pretty rapey though.
He is, but the big lie is that he is supposed to be seen as some kind of model to follow.

Even as a kid it was obvious that was not true.  He was almost meant to be kind of ridiculous and pathetic.

I'm not defending him, you can definitely make the argument that he is in bad taste, but this kind of basic illiteracy that you see these days is ridiculous.


Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 09, 2021, 02:40:48 AM
He is, but the big lie is that he is supposed to be seen as some kind of model to follow. Even as a kid it was obvious that was not true.

That's basic SJ critical philosophy: To Depict Is To Endorse. See a protagonist do something often enough and it's assumed an audience will eventually "normalize" that behaviour in themselves by sheer saturation familiarity, however stupid or abhorrent the behaviour's supposed to be.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 09, 2021, 04:55:41 AM
I guess I'm going to belabor a children't cartoon for the woke. The joke is he's a skunk who thinks he's found a lady skunk, but she's really a cat with a stripe painted down her back.
When Pepe gets his stipe painted over, she's into him.

IT'S THAT HE'S A SKUNK AND SHE'S NOT!

(https://i.imgur.com/FbY8H6P.gif)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 09, 2021, 06:20:01 AM
I have no much sympathy for house of Windsor, those pesky usurpers, but nevertheless it's absolutely ridiculous how much people of Big Purple are sucking into Harryghan narrative.
Like srsly I was expecting there will be some real commies, anarchists who would be like yeah yeah sure - one group of entitled privileged millioners are scaming other group to get more money from media - they all shall end in Gulag, Beth and Harry, Charlie and Meghan, who cares. But nope... they are all swooning over Harry and Meghan. They fail even at being truly woke Left radicals.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Willmark on March 09, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
I never really posted there and have an account but use it to search stuff, that’s about it.

What I find odd if the “woe is me” routines from the mod staff and the “emotional labor” laments. One would think with how big irony is there, they would get the conditions they complain about in modding is one of their own creation.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Trond on March 09, 2021, 09:14:35 AM
I have no much sympathy for house of Windsor, those pesky usurpers, but nevertheless it's absolutely ridiculous how much people of Big Purple are sucking into Harryghan narrative.
Like srsly I was expecting there will be some real commies, anarchists who would be like yeah yeah sure - one group of entitled privileged millioners are scaming other group to get more money from media - they all shall end in Gulag, Beth and Harry, Charlie and Meghan, who cares. But nope... they are all swooning over Harry and Meghan. They fail even at being truly woke Left radicals.

https://babylonbee.com/news/millions-of-young-girls-inspired-by-meghan-markles-message-that-they-will-always-be-oppressed-no-matter-what
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 09, 2021, 11:09:07 AM
Are people really worried about a fucking 70 year old cartoon skunk?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on March 09, 2021, 11:17:06 AM
When you have perpetual victim class?  Yes, sadly, some of them are.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2021, 11:33:22 AM
More to the point, they have to be. One, they're addicted to the dopamine hit of outrage. Two, there is no 'end condition' for social justice. It's a perpetual monster looking for its next target to mutilate and macerate.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 09, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
More to the point, they have to be. One, they're addicted to the dopamine hit of outrage. Two, there is no 'end condition' for social justice. It's a perpetual monster looking for its next target to mutilate and macerate.

I still fear the day when they will ask for the total erasing of "The Big Bang Theory" from existence. That show was wall-to-wall unPC and I can't find something or someone that it didn't manage to offend.

(Of course no one will ask the correct question: "How comes that a show that managed to offend everybody was so immensely successful? Is there a clue in-there?" Reality can be scary).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2021, 02:20:48 PM
More to the point, they have to be. One, they're addicted to the dopamine hit of outrage. Two, there is no 'end condition' for social justice. It's a perpetual monster looking for its next target to mutilate and macerate.

I still fear the day when they will ask for the total erasing of "The Big Bang Theory" from existence. That show was wall-to-wall unPC and I can't find something or someone that it didn't manage to offend.

(Of course no one will ask the correct question: "How comes that a show that managed to offend everybody was so immensely successful? Is there a clue in-there?" Reality can be scary).
Personally, I didn't like Big Bang Theory at all. Doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it.

But no, anything that deviates from the Cult of Woke will be targeted.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on March 09, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Are people really worried about a fucking 70 year old cartoon skunk?

Go read some time about how Cartoon Network took out all of the Speedy Gonzales cartoons because of "racial stereotypes".  Then they had to rapidly reverse course because of a mass outcry by their Spanish-speaking watchers that wanted to know why their hero had been banned. :D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 09, 2021, 04:37:39 PM
More to the point, they have to be. One, they're addicted to the dopamine hit of outrage. Two, there is no 'end condition' for social justice. It's a perpetual monster looking for its next target to mutilate and macerate.

I still fear the day when they will ask for the total erasing of "The Big Bang Theory" from existence. That show was wall-to-wall unPC and I can't find something or someone that it didn't manage to offend.

(Of course no one will ask the correct question: "How comes that a show that managed to offend everybody was so immensely successful? Is there a clue in-there?" Reality can be scary).
Personally, I didn't like Big Bang Theory at all. Doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it.

But no, anything that deviates from the Cult of Woke will be targeted.

I liked the first couple of seasons. But the schtick got old and my attention drifted away.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mishihari on March 10, 2021, 02:46:48 AM
Are people really worried about a fucking 70 year old cartoon skunk?

Go read some time about how Cartoon Network took out all of the Speedy Gonzales cartoons because of "racial stereotypes".  Then they had to rapidly reverse course because of a mass outcry by their Spanish-speaking watchers that wanted to know why their hero had been banned. :D

I hadn't heard that.  That's hilarious
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 10, 2021, 11:09:49 AM
I liked the first couple of seasons. But the schtick got old and my attention drifted away.

I liked it a lot myself but even I can't pretend I didn't see flaws looking back on it, especially, as you say, in the later seasons. I generally think most TV shows shouldn't run more than 5-7 seasons with the same cast, unless you've got a concept that isn't dependent on specific character arcs for its interest (e.g. Law & Order).

If the show does eventually meet with the wrath of the Woke, I admit to some morbid curiosity about what exactly they'd object to. Offensive stereotypes about Jewish mothers or Christian fundamentalists never seem to evoke much SJ indignation.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Habitual Gamer on March 10, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
Are people really worried about a fucking 70 year old cartoon skunk?

More to the point: if we're cancelling Pepe to "protect the children", where is he that children are being exposed to him? 

"Well, he was going to be in Space Jam 2." 

As an ostensible rapist? 

"I dunno'.  Better to make a pre-emptive censoring." 

Okay, and where else is he that kids can see him? 

"Cartoon Network?  HBO Max?  I don't know.  I haven't watched any kids cartoons since over a quarter century ago."

So if you haven't seen the character in decades, do you know what his current portrayal is like?

"No, and it doesn't matter.  I want society protected."

From a cartoon character.  That's been redesigned to be less rapey decades ago.  And isn't anywhere on TV anyway.

"Yes."

Well, as long as your priorities are in place. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 10, 2021, 03:35:01 PM
If the show does eventually meet with the wrath of the Woke, I admit to some morbid curiosity about what exactly they'd object to. Offensive stereotypes about Jewish mothers or Christian fundamentalists never seem to evoke much SJ indignation.
Well, it has everything: body-shaming, mental health problems-shaming, sexism, scientists practicing vivisection/cruel experiments on animals and having fun at it, offensive jokes against sub-cultures ranging from RPG players to comic book readers to quantum physicists...

...Which is the very reason why, when it works, it works so well. However, I'm rewatching some old favourites, and I can't but wonder why the set was never invaded by SJWs with pitches and torches...  ???
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: thedungeondelver on March 10, 2021, 03:40:42 PM
Are people really worried about a fucking 70 year old cartoon skunk?

More to the point: if we're cancelling Pepe to "protect the children", where is he that children are being exposed to him? 

"Well, he was going to be in Space Jam 2." 

As an ostensible rapist? 

"I dunno'.  Better to make a pre-emptive censoring." 

Okay, and where else is he that kids can see him? 

"Cartoon Network?  HBO Max?  I don't know.  I haven't watched any kids cartoons since over a quarter century ago."

So if you haven't seen the character in decades, do you know what his current portrayal is like?

"No, and it doesn't matter.  I want society protected."

From a cartoon character.  That's been redesigned to be less rapey decades ago.  And isn't anywhere on TV anyway.

"Yes."

Well, as long as your priorities are in place.

Bonus points: it's the same person.  The same NYT "reporter" who tried to tear down Speedy Gonzales, succeeded in tearing down Pepe LePew. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on March 10, 2021, 04:13:59 PM
The thing that flips my lid with Pepe is that he is the perfect and obvious example of cringe-worthy behavior.  The cartoon teaches us that this is not the way to behave.  Even children understand that Pepe is a dummyy.  In many of the shows, they also present the problem of mistaken identity and warn you to not judge based on looks alone.  Damn, Pepe should be in the Woke book as an example of what not to do.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 10, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
The thing that flips my lid with Pepe is that he is the perfect and obvious example of cringe-worthy behavior.  The cartoon teaches us that this is not the way to behave.  Even children understand that Pepe is a dummyy.  In many of the shows, they also present the problem of mistaken identity and warn you to not judge based on looks alone.  Damn, Pepe should be in the Woke book as an example of what not to do.

He is, but the "problem" is that Pepe is endearing, amusing, and blithely self-confident in his ineptitude, which (so say the SJPs) sends the conflicting message that unrelenting sexual aggressiveness is likewise endearing and amusing and a hallmark of blithe self-confidence.

Essentially, SJ criticism rests on the assumption that the audience's subconscious minds are far stupider and more easily influenced than their conscious minds, especially if they're mostly children. In practice I should think a simple diagram showing how few fans of Pepe le Pew in childhood go on to be antisocial sexual aggressors in adulthood should put paid to this thesis, but SJPs aren't the only group who only believe statistics when they reinforce their preferred conclusion.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 10, 2021, 04:35:10 PM
I'm rewatching some old favourites, and I can't but wonder why the set was never invaded by SJWs with pitches and torches...  ???

Timing. The SJTs didn't go completely bugfuck crazy on their cancellation tirades until after Trump was elected, and the show was into its 10th season by then.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Habitual Gamer on March 10, 2021, 04:51:49 PM
Bonus points: it's the same person.  The same NYT "reporter" who tried to tear down Speedy Gonzales, succeeded in tearing down Pepe LePew.

Enh.  Looney Toons are like The Muppets: beloved to Gen Xers, kinda' familiar to Millennials, deson't really exist for zoomers and alphas.

Our intrepid reporter has managed to vanquish a bit of culture that won't be collectively remembered in another 20 years and a historical footnote in another 20 after that.

But hey, if people won't pay attention to your* work maybe they'll listen to you bitch about social justice issues involving cartoon animals.

(rhetorical you)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: jeff37923 on March 10, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
So cartoon character Pepe le Pew is banned, but when Biden exhibits the same kind of creepy behavior he becomes president?

I'm confused.....
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 10, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
So cartoon character Pepe le Pew is banned, but when Biden exhibits the same kind of creepy behavior he becomes president?

I'm confused.....
Biden just forked 1.9 trillions, Pepe didn't.

The answer to confusing question is usually "money".
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Warder on March 10, 2021, 06:04:22 PM
I wonder who the SJW wont try to ban in their quest to kill the past. Eventually they will run out of history to blame. What will they blame then? Hopefully not the future, a thought crime that hasnt happened yet is the hardest to disprove(this was never an option thou). Seriously thou, Social Warriors. The name spells their true alliegance quite well.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on March 10, 2021, 06:11:36 PM
So cartoon character Pepe le Pew is banned, but when Biden exhibits the same kind of creepy behavior he becomes president?

I'm confused.....
It's the French accident. Obviously...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 11, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
I wonder who the SJW wont try to ban in their quest to kill the past. Eventually they will run out of history to blame. What will they blame then? Hopefully not the future, a thought crime that hasnt happened yet is the hardest to disprove(this was never an option thou). Seriously thou, Social Warriors. The name spells their true alliegance quite well.
That's the point, actually. They want their Year Zero, where the past is swept into the trashbin and we can move forward to our glorious future.

Never mind that it never, ever works out well.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on March 11, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
Is that why the logo changed? I had looked it up when it changed to see if it was pre or post Floyd; seeing it was pre I had assumed it wasn't for wokeshit reasons.

They removed the old "floyd" logo and replaced it with the new

Quote
BGG welcomes all gamers, whatever your level of experience or particular tastes, and updating the logo reflects our belief that gaming is for everyone, not just geeky guys with glasses. Whatever our differences individually, gaming brings us together. Our new symbol is a nod to BGG's past, while also inviting you to see yourself in that silhouette — or to find your passion for play represented in that "game flame".

Because making a "womens only" "safe space" subforum was not enough virtue signalling at the forefront of the "cause"...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on March 11, 2021, 08:17:30 PM

Essentially, SJ criticism rests on the assumption that the audience's subconscious minds are far stupider and more easily influenced than their conscious minds, especially if they're mostly children. In practice I should think a simple diagram showing how few fans of Pepe le Pew in childhood go on to be antisocial sexual aggressors in adulthood should put paid to this thesis, but SJPs aren't the only group who only believe statistics when they reinforce their preferred conclusion.

They dont even need doctored statistics. Just "belief" or better yet, just agenda.

Its pretty much the argument Extra Credits used on YouTube to claim that playing a Nazi in a wargame opens you up to becoming a REAL nazi. Stop "normalizing" Nazis! (and then when all hell broke loose they try and claom that not what they really meant. Honest!) Or that whole movement to have anything "rape" removed from media and literature because rape is bad! Except their idea of rape starts to of course approach "everything on earth" to the point Prince Charming kissing Snow White to save her is now rape.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on March 11, 2021, 08:21:41 PM
I wonder who the SJW wont try to ban in their quest to kill the past. Eventually they will run out of history to blame. What will they blame then? Hopefully not the future, a thought crime that hasnt happened yet is the hardest to disprove(this was never an option thou). Seriously thou, Social Warriors. The name spells their true alliegance quite well.

Thats easy as they are allready doing it from practically the get-go.

They ban demonize the past SJWs as bad wrong racist misogynists and a few other ists in there for good measure.

Then the 2030 wave will point at them and do the same.

and so on ad nausium as we have to go through this again and again.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 11, 2021, 08:39:44 PM
And people laughed when I kept TWO full sets of encyclopedias...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Jim in Oz on March 12, 2021, 09:13:59 AM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.

To think that was the place with The Tangency Ape
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on March 12, 2021, 09:31:03 AM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.


  Got links? :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Jim in Oz on March 12, 2021, 09:32:44 AM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.


  Got links? :)

Nah. Enworld was one. Another was a guy who had a small forum, he did a ton of reviews and the cancelled him for really strange and shifting reasons. Can't remember the others.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 10:11:11 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ramidel-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878508/

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rupert-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878509/

This just makes my head spin. If I were Ramidel or Rupert, I would shake the dust off my sandals and never go back to RPGnet. Because holy shit. This wasn't a promotion of slavery, it wasn't a justification of slavery, it was an analysis of fictional slavery in a fictional setting.

At the rate they're going, the only games they'll be willing and able to discuss are Candy Land and Thirsty Sword Lesbians.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on March 12, 2021, 10:59:56 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ramidel-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878508/

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rupert-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878509/

This just makes my head spin. If I were Ramidel or Rupert, I would shake the dust off my sandals and never go back to RPGnet. Because holy shit. This wasn't a promotion of slavery, it wasn't a justification of slavery, it was an analysis of fictional slavery in a fictional setting.

At the rate they're going, the only games they'll be willing and able to discuss are Candy Land and Thirsty Sword Lesbians.
One can’t talk about simulationist aspects of a setting in a thread about GURPS, a prime example of a simulationist game system. They should just bite the bullet and ban all discussion of games and settings that are simulationist to any real degree, and only allow narrative focused games to be discussed so long as the correct talking points are used. Even Blue Rose with the stupid magic deer will one day fail their standards.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 12, 2021, 11:44:54 AM
This just makes my head spin. If I were Ramidel or Rupert, I would shake the dust off my sandals and never go back to RPGnet. Because holy shit. This wasn't a promotion of slavery, it wasn't a justification of slavery, it was an analysis of fictional slavery in a fictional setting.

At the rate they're going, the only games they'll be willing and able to discuss are Candy Land and Thirsty Sword Lesbians.
Literally. Europa Universalis IV has "slaves" as the main resource for some territories. In my current game I won some land as Portugal in West Africa and selling slaves is now part of my economy.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 12, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
This wasn't a promotion of slavery, it wasn't a justification of slavery, it was an analysis of fictional slavery in a fictional setting.

Anything that facilitates understanding how people could be slave owners or traders, by discussing slavery's economic benefits and feasible logistics, encourages people to "normalize", and thus lose their moral horror at, slavery and exploitation. Or so the thinking goes.

If "to understand all is to forgive all," then by definition anything held to be unforgiveable must also be considered incomprehensible, and any attempt at explaining it is ipso facto a defense of it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 12, 2021, 12:02:39 PM
I saw this on rpg.net (I have to admit it's a guilty pleasure of mine reading the infractions list because it is comedy gold. Virtually a parody of itself).

I thought this one was myopic even by TBP standards.

If you are a sane, moral person in the present day you think slavery is bad. You also think murder is bad along with many other crimes. This should be taken as a given. Does it need to be restated every time a crime is dicussed how morally repugnant it is?

Will people be banned for dispassionately discussing how to create the perfect murder mystery rpg scenario without periodically reminding everyone that murder is in fact a horrible thing to do and the criminal is indeed an immoral person?

The more I read this stuff the more I am genuinly coming to the view that there are adults who cannot distinguish fact from fiction, even when fiction is explicitly presented as such.


Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 12:06:13 PM
This just makes my head spin. If I were Ramidel or Rupert, I would shake the dust off my sandals and never go back to RPGnet. Because holy shit. This wasn't a promotion of slavery, it wasn't a justification of slavery, it was an analysis of fictional slavery in a fictional setting.

At the rate they're going, the only games they'll be willing and able to discuss are Candy Land and Thirsty Sword Lesbians.
Literally. Europa Universalis IV has "slaves" as the main resource for some territories. In my current game I won some land as Portugal in West Africa and selling slaves is now part of my economy.
Let's not even talk about Stellaris, where you could genetically modify the populace of a captured planet, turn them into livestock (and hence, to food), and then sell that food back to the empire you originally captured that world from.

Anything that facilitates understanding how people could be slave owners or traders, by discussing slavery's economic benefits and feasible logistics, encourages people to "normalize", and thus lose their moral horror at, slavery and exploitation. Or so the thinking goes.

If "to understand all is to forgive all," then by definition anything held to be unforgiveable must also be considered incomprehensible, and any attempt at explaining it is ipso facto a defense of it.
Accurate but infuriating because it's a kind of Dark Ages mentality that I thought we'd disposed of.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 12, 2021, 01:09:53 PM
Accurate but infuriating because it's a kind of Dark Ages mentality that I thought we'd disposed of.

Oh no, I'd call this pretty much one of the eternal verities of human nature; there have always been and always will be those who think that if the ends justify the means, then by definition anyone who rejects a given means is really just looking for an excuse to reject the ends.  If you don't hate something badly enough to brook absolutely no tolerance of it then you don't really hate it. (Q.v. William Blake: "Those who restrain desire, do so because their desire is weak enough to be restrained.")

To be honest, given the tragic progression of certain philosophical shifts one can already see at play -- paraphrasing a recent bishops' article I read: "First error begs for tolerance from truth, then it insists on equality with it, and finally demands supremacy over it" -- I'm not sure I'm entirely unsympathetic to the mindset. But someone who doesn't trust people to tell games from reality, it seems to me, doesn't really have any business running an elf-games forum in the first place.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 12, 2021, 02:08:50 PM
The more I read this stuff the more I am genuinly coming to the view that there are adults who cannot distinguish fact from fiction, even when fiction is explicitly presented as such.

These are the same fucktards who think watching Looney Tunes will lead children to throw anvils at each other or commit some form of date-rape. They're the same as they've always been, but the uniforms have changed.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 12, 2021, 02:22:38 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.  Apparently that counts as a rape joke.  Really, I expected a warning for group attacks because some of the mods aren't fond of me.  Not in the always thinking about it, but you know, the backstage, "people we hope to permaban some day" list.  It's the only place on the internet where I don't use my real name for some reason or another.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.  Apparently that counts as a rape joke.  Really, I expected a warning for group attacks because some of the mods aren't fond of me.  Not in the always thinking about it, but you know, the backstage, "people we hope to permaban some day" list.  It's the only place on the internet where I don't use my real name for some reason or another.
Man, the way some people are these days, I don't talk shit about anyone who prefers anonymity, no matter how inconvenient it is.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 12, 2021, 02:46:45 PM
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Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 12, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.  Apparently that counts as a rape joke.  Really, I expected a warning for group attacks because some of the mods aren't fond of me.  Not in the always thinking about it, but you know, the backstage, "people we hope to permaban some day" list.  It's the only place on the internet where I don't use my real name for some reason or another.
So I was able to follow back to find your name there, and check your history on Infractions. I think they are in fact angling to put you under the gardens at some point (metaphorically speaking).

You somehow managed to catch a warning for threadcrapping... in a thread about the least playable RPG system.

Yeah, if you've got anything special from the forums, I suggest you archive it off line. Sooner or later they're going to nail you as a 'repeat offender' or 'poor fit'.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 12, 2021, 03:10:18 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.  Apparently that counts as a rape joke.  Really, I expected a warning for group attacks because some of the mods aren't fond of me.  Not in the always thinking about it, but you know, the backstage, "people we hope to permaban some day" list.  It's the only place on the internet where I don't use my real name for some reason or another.
So I was able to follow back to find your name there, and check your history on Infractions. I think they are in fact angling to put you under the gardens at some point (metaphorically speaking).

You somehow managed to catch a warning for threadcrapping... in a thread about the least playable RPG system.

Yeah, if you've got anything special from the forums, I suggest you archive it off line. Sooner or later they're going to nail you as a 'repeat offender' or 'poor fit'.

This is brilliant. It's like the Cold War MI6 warning someone they need get out of Moscow.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on March 12, 2021, 03:23:14 PM
I did bookmark a number of threads in the gaming section (then logged off and removed the site from my favourites bar) but I frankly haven't felt the urge to go and check them since. I probably won't be missed, and me, I miss the place where I spent most of my internets since 1996 less and less with each passing day.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 12, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.
This means that you literally got banned for making a progressive point and no one realised it...  :o
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thornhammer on March 12, 2021, 03:42:45 PM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.

Seems like they have been just a little extra the past week or two.

I wondered how long the poor guy who was doing a Let's Read of the World of Xoth was going to last.

Silver lining - I had heard of Xoth but not actually looked at it, and damn that is some quality sword and sorcery right there.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on March 12, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
Ha!  I got banned first on that thread!  Three days for making a joke suggesting that the church's position on slavery and rape is ass backwards.
This means that you literally got banned for making a progressive point and no one realised it...  :o

   Maybe they're trying to lull the remaining Christians into a false sense of security before Harris and Becerra bring the hammer down? ;)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 12, 2021, 08:31:27 PM
Frankly, my first rpg.net ban was for discussing D&D.  In fact, I said that due to D&D's portion of the fan base it will always have the majority of the catpissmen.  Now, I'm not saying I'm innocent of dissing D&D because I'm a hater and we all know what haters gonna do.  But I got banned from an rpg site for saying something purely factual about rpg demographics.  As a result I've never supported the mods or paid for a membership.

Anyhow, the Where I Read X-Men thread on Other Media is awesome and there's a couple image threads on Tangency that are entertaining.  It's also about the best place to discuss GURPS and Rolemaster without getting banned from the SJG or ICE forums :D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 12, 2021, 09:15:05 PM
Will people be banned for dispassionately discussing how to create the perfect murder mystery rpg scenario without periodically reminding everyone that murder is in fact a horrible thing to do and the criminal is indeed an immoral person?
"In this scenario, we solve the murder of the black disabled transgender sex worker." Try that, see how you go.

Frankly, my first rpg.net ban was for discussing D&D.
I never received any bans, nor to my memory any warnings, until I was permanently banned "for being generally bad for the site". As I was banned, I could not ever find out exactly what they meant by that.

I probably talked about rpgs too much :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 12, 2021, 09:35:38 PM
One thing that's funny to my mind is that SJG has always been a pretty progressive company.  I remember them advocating gay rights in Pyramid magazine before Dragon could even say "gay".  And Yrth the world in GURPS Banestorm is pretty much a progressive setting where orcs are people too.  Sure there's some missteps, the Kobolds were pretty sad even when GURPS Fantasy first came out in, what, 1988, maybe?  GURPS didn't really need it's own Gully Dwarves.  But, of course, one thing about progress is that it moves and yesterday's progressive is today's stodgy old conservative who just doesn't get it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on March 12, 2021, 09:46:37 PM
Over the last two days they’ve handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts. It probably won’t be too long before the mods start judging each other looking askance at those mods who hand out insufficiently harsh bans.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Willmark on March 12, 2021, 11:43:32 PM
Every game site I just checked out has a thread on just how freakily Big Purple has lost the plot. That's a pretty bad sign.

Seems like they have been just a little extra the past week or two.

I wondered how long the poor guy who was doing a Let's Read of the World of Xoth was going to last.

Silver lining - I had heard of Xoth but not actually looked at it, and damn that is some quality sword and sorcery right there.
Never heard of it until the wokeskold mods there locked the thread.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 07:58:56 AM
Over the last two days they’ve handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.
I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.


I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

So, let's say that I'm a new subscriber and all eager to abide to the rules of the site. I look at the "Infractions" forum to see what is considered "no no" and... I get this?! Sorry, but I don't want to pay a lawyer just to post on a hobby site. I guess that soon or later a lot of people will reach the same conclusion.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 13, 2021, 08:16:40 AM
Over the last two days they’ve handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.
I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.


I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

So, let's say that I'm a new subscriber and all eager to abide to the rules of the site. I look at the "Infractions" forum to see what is considered "no no" and... I get this?! Sorry, but I don't want to pay a lawyer just to post on a hobby site. I guess that soon or later a lot of people will reach the same conclusion.

The opening paragraph has a few words the mod obvously forgot to delete when drafting the reply but I understand what they were getting at.

In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.

The mod is taking umbrage at this and compares it to colonial Residential schools (like in Canada and Australia) where First Nation, Aborigines and so forth were forcefully removed from their parents and brought up in a Western educational environment and often different parents.

That's the reasoning. It is nonsense and pretty abstruse reasoning at that. Though perhaps not entirely incomprehensible for TBP at least (baring the sloppy editing which I guess if you're not an English speaker might be harder to work through).

But then at this point maybe I'm like a lobster being slowly boiled in water. I have incrementally been able to follow each illogical step they make. (Like I say comedy gold)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 08:25:58 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 13, 2021, 08:38:44 AM
Over the last two days they’ve handed out 4 straight 7-day bans in a row. It seems the mods there are spiraling to a new level of enforcement against bad thoughts.
I went there and I read the "motivations" (for the lack of a better word) for some of the most recent bans - and I think that they have an even bigger problem: these "motivations" are incomprehensible.

I'm not talking about "well, they dropped the ball here; this was not a good reason for banning someone..." I'm talking about "literally, not being able to understand what they are saying".

When they went against someone for "denigrating McNuggets" that was the reason. You could agree, disagree or laugh, but it was clear and to the point. That was the reason.

Today you get:

Not too far before this post, there are multiple posts talking about the Residential Schools and why the idea the idea that an entire culture could be damaging and people, particularly children, need to be removed from it for their own good is a BAD IDEA. Despite this, you appear to have ignored those comments and basically restate the reason that that Residential Schools were created.

This is an A-Game Thread, and your post fails on at least two points:

Be respectful of lived experiences.

Be thoughtful

Also from the Racism Policy:

Denying racism subtext in certain depictions of fantastic culture

I will just add for emphasis that the Residential Schools are not all that long in the past. The last of the Canadian Residential schools was only closed in 1996. Nor is this limited to Canada. The Indian Placement Program, proponents of which actually claimed it would make the students white, operated in the United States from 1954 to 1996.

These are not abstract or theoretical topics. We don't expect everyone to know every injustice inflicted on people throughout history, but when it is in thread (and an A-Game thread at that) we do at least expect posters to engage with the actual history here and be thoughtful about it when discussing it in the thread.

You are banned for a week.


I have absolutely no clue about what all of this is about. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not even sure that this rant is in English. Just look at the first paragraph.

Speaking as a native english speaker, that's not english. That's woke jargon speak. Your confusion is intentional.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 13, 2021, 09:20:32 AM
In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.
You see, nothing good comes of this sort of thespy nonsense.

They're orcs. Kill them all!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 13, 2021, 09:39:34 AM
Ah but nobody ever asks if a human child removed to orcish culture would grow up tougher, more resilient, better able to accept differences in others, and compliant to the needs of a society rather than entitled and selfish.  Probably because they'd die and be in the soup by noon-time.

My orcs grow faster than humans and are ambulatory within a few hours of birth and they are vicious and territorial little suckers, more like a room full of wolverines and badgers and they come in decent sized litters too.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on March 13, 2021, 10:04:23 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

  Based on years of observation, I agree with this--their constant repetition of 'the onus is on the poster to be clear' has led to an exaggerated form of the Heckler's Veto where anything that might be offensive must be offensive, regardless of any intent. Haven't some of the antitheologians of the Death Cult over there been saying that 'intent doesn't matter, only impact'?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 13, 2021, 10:40:32 AM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.

  Based on years of observation, I agree with this--their constant repetition of 'the onus is on the poster to be clear' has led to an exaggerated form of the Heckler's Veto where anything that might be offensive must be offensive, regardless of any intent. Haven't some of the antitheologians of the Death Cult over there been saying that 'intent doesn't matter, only impact'?
Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 13, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
No, whatever they may claim, the SJW is all about taking ground and holding it.  The means and methods for the battle before or the battle after are irrelevant.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
No, whatever they may claim, the SJW is all about taking ground and holding it.  The means and methods for the battle before or the battle after are irrelevant.
True, but to quote James Gandolfini in "In the Loop", "After a war you need to have someone on the ground, or it will look like you lost."
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 13, 2021, 03:14:09 PM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.
Better to to ban 10 innocent posters then to let one racist walk free.

They are on the front lines there!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on March 13, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I honestly think the TBP admin take the viewpoint of 'interpret any reported post in the worst way possible, with the worst assumptions'.

In other words, always proceed from the stance that the poster in question is speaking in bad faith, etc.

Which is a fascinating way to pare back your forum population, if nothing else.
Better to to ban 10 innocent posters then to let one racist walk free.

They are on the front lines there!

No. At TBP, there are no innocent posters, only those whose guilt is not yet enough to get them banned.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 13, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.

It is and it isn't. It's very Screwtapian, really: in all situations where you can claim grievance against someone else for their actions, the effect is all that matters, not the intent; but in all situations where someone is claiming grievance against you for the outcome of your actions, the correct intent is all that matters, regardless of results.  It's another heads-we-win-tails-you-lose kafkatrap.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 04:09:45 PM
Well, this guy was banned for pointing out a perfectly sane thing: that children should be removed from toxic/dangerous environments and be allowed to grow up in safe ones. I believe that this is the law in almost - if not all - the developed countries and it is the job of social services to monitor the situation.

He then muses if a little orc is removed from a toxic environment (like Sauron's shadow) he will be able to grow up and not being evil.

I mean... This is as "progressive" as it gets. Why the ban, then?

Because you can "associate" (arbitrarily) the general idea to something bad that happened in the past (and to specific countries/cultures - I never heard before about Residential Schools maybe because I'm not Canadian).

By this reasoning, I'll be able to ban someone who approves if social services remove a kid from a toxic/dangerous environment. Why?

Because there are people out there who "liberate" underage girls from their parents, keep them prisoners for years or even decades, sometimes have sons with them, and at the end maybe kill them - all in name of bettering these girls' lifes. So...

"You propose that social services help kids living in dangerous environments by... taking them and bringing them elsewhere?! HOW DO YOU DARE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING SO SIMILAR TO A TERRIBLE CRIME, YOU HORRIFIC PERVERT!?"  >:(
---> PermaBan

These guys are not realising that they are losing their very own moral compasses. I guess that they are not even able to think anymore.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 13, 2021, 04:18:55 PM
One of the more interesting things that's taking place among the woke is the shifting of the centre of moral gravity from 'intent' to the rather nebulous notion of 'harm'.

As pointed out, however, this is inconsistent - and it's an inconsistency right at the core.  It's what happened when a partial understanding of French postmodernism crashes into Judaeo-Christian moralism.

Basically what it boils down to is that the woke do believe in intent (they have to because they most definitely believe in guilt), but they've also taken on board post-modern and marxist perspectives that will hold that racism can be perpetrated at a structural level.   The problem with the latter (to the woke anyway) is that they actually let individuals off the hook!  (A structural analysis would actually suggest that you don't need racists to have racism - occasionally you see the progressive woke remember this, but it's increasingly rare*).

So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).

So basically there is intent, but not at the conscious level.  This is why you must "do the work".  (Eg.  read lots of poorly written books, attend diversity training run by grifters etc)

*And it would also imply ways of addressing racism that would be in no way compatible with Disney or Starbucks world view (eg addressing actual poverty).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 04:47:30 PM
So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).
...And they still end up with their feet in their mouths, because when they ask "Are chess racist? White always move first!" they don't also ask "Is Go racist? Black always move first!"

So, they may not be consciously afflicted by the "white man (possibly male)-centric" bias in their argumentations, but they are. The examples are countless.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 13, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
So what has come about is basically the belief in a deeper subject. You may not be conscisously racist but you're deeper self, your true self is.  (This is why things like implicit bias tests are so popular).
...And they still end up with their feet in their mouths, because when they ask "Are chess racist? White always move first!" they don't also ask "Is Go racist? Black always move first!"

So, they may not be consciously afflicted by the "white man (possibly male)-centric" bias in their argumentations, but they are. The examples are countless.
Well yes.  It's full of double binds.  It's a legacy of the post-modern emphasis on holisitc systems (which is not wholly wrong, there are holistic systems, but your perspective is skewed if that's all you can see - it's like if our understanding of biology was only ecology).

It's goes crazy when you add moralism to it.

ie. if you say "we are all participants in a racist system, and we can't avoid that, so let's chill a little and just do what we can," then you kind of have a workable view (although not necessarily a correct one).

If you have a world view that says "we are all participants in a racist system we cannot avoid AND being a participant in such a system is a deep stain on the soul" then you have a fundemantally untenable world view.  There is no way out.  So you have to project and make noise and distract and claw at some kind of quasi religious salvation.

It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 13, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.
I think that they already failed and are not realising that they are preaching inside their own echo-chambers. Current events are proving, over and over, that when people are allowed to say what they think, wokeism uniformly get plastered.

In videogames we had the "Extra Credits" fiasco. A video about how, playing Nazis or Terrorists in a videogame will make of you... a Nazi or a Terrorist! The ratio of thumbs up vs. thumbs down speaks by itself, and the comments are hilarious  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo

Then there was the "David Chappelle's Stick and Stones" fiasco. A one hour stand-up comedy special who was as unPC as it gets - and as funny as hell  ;D Verdict on Rotten Tomatoes? 35% from 17 "critics", 99% from 25,000+ viewers (considering that Chappelle managed to offend everybody I guess that everybody found it just fine).

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dave_chappelle_sticks_and_stones

Now those who think that the new Star wars Trilogy is dire are under attack- by a "paper" (In Plain Sight: How White Supremacy, Misogyny, and Hate Targeted the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy and Won) so laughable in its arguments that it forced some commenters to admit that they feel dumb when they do explain where it fails. (Despite a 90% approval rating from critics and an A CinemaScore, we can’t stop talking about how The Last Jedi is a polarizing film that has allegedly alienated fans en masse and sent Disney’s multi-billion dollar juggernaut in an unsatisfactory direction). Yup, allegedly because you don't quote the 42% audience score. One wonders why...  ::)

https://rewritingripley.medium.com/in-plain-sight-how-white-supremacy-misogyny-and-hate-targeted-the-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-and-2fd0be4b242

And so on. I can't quote a single example where wokeism vs. freedom of expression doesn't end with the former being obliterated. And that's the real World we are living in.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 13, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
In short the banned poster effectively said maybe moving orcs from being raised by Sauron or other villian would be the equivalent of moving an abused child to a non toxic environment and allow them to grow up to be less hateful.
You see, nothing good comes of this sort of thespy nonsense.

They're orcs. Kill them all!

Strongly agree.  Perhaps save a goblin to interrogate to find out where their warlord is hiding.

Which is unintentionally hilarious in itself, since wokeism/radleft thought is ALL about the intent, not necessarily the result.

It is and it isn't. It's very Screwtapian, really: in all situations where you can claim grievance against someone else for their actions, the effect is all that matters, not the intent; but in all situations where someone is claiming grievance against you for the outcome of your actions, the correct intent is all that matters, regardless of results.  It's another heads-we-win-tails-you-lose kafkatrap.

I tell you what it is, it is great source material for a WH40K Dark Heresy/Only War Handout listing Imperial Guard judgements by the Commissariat.

"Well you say that the rebels you spotted were only fleeing citizens which is why you didn't shoot on sight, but that is denying the lived experience of thousands of members of your fellow Imperial Guardsmen on this planet.  Firing Squad....Next!"
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 13, 2021, 07:05:25 PM
It will likely collapse under it's own weight.  It wouldn't surprise me if large numbers of the young woke go on to become born again Christians.
I think that they already failed and are not realising that they are preaching inside their own echo-chambers. Current events are proving, over and over, that when people are allowed to say what they think, wokeism uniformly get plastered.

In videogames we had the "Extra Credits" fiasco. A video about how, playing Nazis or Terrorists in a videogame will make of you... a Nazi or a Terrorist! The ratio of thumbs up vs. thumbs down speaks by itself, and the comments are hilarious  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on March 14, 2021, 01:53:56 AM

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.

Extra Credits was sliding for a good while before that. Apparently they ran off one of their main people and after that got more and more blatantly woke. You can see it in several of their pieces before and after. Sometimes just a little jab here or an accusation of rasict or misogynist, etc-ist. And other times pushing the agenda harder. They also push that lootboxes, microtransactions and other tricks are ok and "needed" even.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 14, 2021, 10:35:06 AM

Sad. I really liked their earlier videos, especially the one on choice in games. But yeah, I think the Nazi video marks their slide into insantiy.

Extra Credits was sliding for a good while before that. Apparently they ran off one of their main people and after that got more and more blatantly woke. You can see it in several of their pieces before and after. Sometimes just a little jab here or an accusation of rasict or misogynist, etc-ist. And other times pushing the agenda harder. They also push that lootboxes, microtransactions and other tricks are ok and "needed" even.
It's industry capture in action.  When a group of small, dedicated people produce content, they draw attention to themselves.  With that attention comes contacts to members of the industry they are commenting on.  Suddenly, they aren't talking about the policies of faceless gaming companies, but the practices of friends and aquantances.  So their opinions shift, and, the next thing you know, they are justifying loot boxes and parroting woke.  It takes a very rare person not to get captured that way...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 15, 2021, 10:16:02 AM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lamoth-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban.878643/

Know your place, peasants. You are not allowed to question the decisions of moderators. Their lived experiences (which may only exist in their heads) are far more meaningful than your 'logic'.

Seriously, how do these people survive? He's not ignoring anything, nor were Rupert and Ramidel. But then, it's Tanka, and he's struck me as one of those gimps who gets his jollies by swinging the banhammer.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 15, 2021, 01:20:32 PM
"The 'internal logic' {which} glosses over that slavery has affected family members of our userbase, and ignoring that is a large symptom of the problem."

Judas frickin' Priest. Hasn't it occurred to these people that the more public displays of breast-beating propriety demands be made before certain topics can be brought up or discussed, the less seriously either those who make such displays or those who hear them will take them?

Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).  And every time I hear this I just want more and more to jump up and yell out, "Excuse me! Excuse me, can I interrupt for a second here?  Is anyone here actually from that tribe?  Is anyone here actually prepared to sell their home at far below market rates to somebody of that tribe, and move back to where your own family came from?  No?  Then SHUT THE HELL UP and get on with the show," and sit down.

I haven't quite yet gotten to the level of annoyance required to ruin everybody else's evening this way, but I'm not taking bets on that lasting forever.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on March 15, 2021, 02:09:57 PM
"The 'internal logic' {which} glosses over that slavery has affected family members of our userbase, and ignoring that is a large symptom of the problem."

Judas frickin' Priest. Hasn't it occurred to these people that the more public displays of breast-beating propriety demands be made before certain topics can be brought up or discussed, the less seriously either those who make such displays or those who hear them will take them?

Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).  And every time I hear this I just want more and more to jump up and yell out, "Excuse me! Excuse me, can I interrupt for a second here?  Is anyone here actually from that tribe?  Is anyone here actually prepared to sell their home at far below market rates to somebody of that tribe, and move back to where your own family came from?  No?  Then SHUT THE HELL UP and get on with the show," and sit down.

I haven't quite yet gotten to the level of annoyance required to ruin everybody else's evening this way, but I'm not taking bets on that lasting forever.

I've seen that in a few videos and it is some real self flagellation.

Not to mention, the tribe they mention surely took the land from another tribe that was there before them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 15, 2021, 02:32:38 PM
Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).
Up here in Canada, native ceremonies and prayers are held at schools and school functions an all other forms of prayer and worship are banned.  There is also a big fight here in Alberta over a proposed curriculum that teaches about the basic tenets of world religions including Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.  So, that makes native spiritual practices the defacto state religion.  Think about that.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Armchair Gamer on March 15, 2021, 02:40:57 PM
Up here in Canada, native ceremonies and prayers are held at schools and school functions an all other forms of prayer and worship are banned.  There is also a big fight here in Alberta over a proposed curriculum that teaches about the basic tenets of world religions including Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.  So, that makes native spiritual practices the defacto state religion.  Think about that.

  It could be worse.

  Down in California, they're invoking the Aztec gods (https://www.city-journal.org/calif-ethnic-studies-curriculum-accuses-christianity-of-theocide)--and not just the nice ones like Quetzalcoatl; no, we're talking about Tezkatlipoka and Huitzilopochtli--as patrons of 'social justice.'
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 15, 2021, 02:44:34 PM
Can someone please speed up the inevitable meteor strike?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 15, 2021, 02:46:34 PM
Up here in Canada, native ceremonies and prayers are held at schools and school functions an all other forms of prayer and worship are banned.  There is also a big fight here in Alberta over a proposed curriculum that teaches about the basic tenets of world religions including Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.  So, that makes native spiritual practices the defacto state religion.  Think about that.

  It could be worse.

  Down in California, they're invoking the Aztec gods (https://www.city-journal.org/calif-ethnic-studies-curriculum-accuses-christianity-of-theocide)--and not just the nice ones like Quetzalcoatl; no, we're talking about Tezkatlipoka and Huitzilopochtli--as patrons of 'social justice.'
Is this smell of burnt plastic a short circuit with "cultural appropriation"?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on March 15, 2021, 02:53:49 PM
Can someone please speed up the inevitable meteor strike?

Sorry. We have no ability to immanentize the eschaton, despite 200 years of teaching to the contrary.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 15, 2021, 07:36:58 PM
"The 'internal logic' {which} glosses over that slavery has affected family members of our userbase, and ignoring that is a large symptom of the problem."

Judas frickin' Priest. Hasn't it occurred to these people that the more public displays of breast-beating propriety demands be made before certain topics can be brought up or discussed, the less seriously either those who make such displays or those who hear them will take them?

Up here in Canada one of the chronic woke-isms a large number of community or public endeavours have been doing as a habit is to say, before any event starts, "We acknowledge we are on the territory of the tribe of...." (whichever First Nations tribe was historically native to the area in question).  And every time I hear this I just want more and more to jump up and yell out, "Excuse me! Excuse me, can I interrupt for a second here?  Is anyone here actually from that tribe?  Is anyone here actually prepared to sell their home at far below market rates to somebody of that tribe, and move back to where your own family came from?  No?  Then SHUT THE HELL UP and get on with the show," and sit down.

I haven't quite yet gotten to the level of annoyance required to ruin everybody else's evening this way, but I'm not taking bets on that lasting forever.

Love that shit. They'll never give the land back. They'll just use the opportunity to virtue signal and fuck the native tribes they stepped on to get there.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 15, 2021, 07:56:35 PM
  It could be worse.

  Down in California, they're invoking the Aztec gods (https://www.city-journal.org/calif-ethnic-studies-curriculum-accuses-christianity-of-theocide)--and not just the nice ones like Quetzalcoatl; no, we're talking about Tezkatlipoka and Huitzilopochtli--as patrons of 'social justice.'


They're just posers if they aren't cutting out the hearts of football stars.

Love that shit. They'll never give the land back. They'll just use the opportunity to virtue signal and fuck the native tribes they stepped on to get there.

Sure, but they'll be sure to have a blue ribbon panel on the issue and write a fat cheque to a bunch of their political cronies!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thornhammer on March 15, 2021, 08:19:03 PM
write a fat cheque

How horribly insensitive.

Cheque of size, dammit.   :D

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 15, 2021, 09:06:38 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on March 15, 2021, 09:43:10 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

Its all about control...all totalitarians must force 'art' (in this case rpgs) to fit whatever their control pattern is, whether its called fascism, socialism, communism, or wokism.  Art in any form is a way to reach people and like everything else, it has to be viewed through the 'proper' lens.  Our elf games are just a small microcosm compared to a nation state, but it is an avenue for these people to exercise control over their little corner of the world.

This is why people like me are still holding on to DVDs, CDs, and books.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 15, 2021, 09:47:38 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

Watch some James Linday videos on youtube. (New Discourses) He does comprehensive videos on how critical theory and social justice infiltrate all aspects of society. From D&D to knitting.

TL;DW, an ideology with it's roots in several different philosophies has metastizied into thought cancer.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on March 15, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
To some people, everything is political.  And, I mean everything, from the color of your socks, to the food you eat, to the people you hate because they don't think the same way.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 15, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle.
Why two? Didn't you get it right the first time?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 15, 2021, 10:10:53 PM
Why two? Didn't you get it right the first time?

Ask ten people for their opinion, you'll get ten different answers. Eleven if one is a philosopher.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on March 15, 2021, 10:42:37 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

Its all about control...all totalitarians must force 'art' (in this case rpgs) to fit whatever their control pattern is, whether its called fascism, socialism, communism, or wokism.  Art in any form is a way to reach people and like everything else, it has to be viewed through the 'proper' lens.  Our elf games are just a small microcosm compared to a nation state, but it is an avenue for these people to exercise control over their little corner of the world.

This is why people like me are still holding on to DVDs, CDs, and books.

100% this. As many people have turned away from traditional religions they have taken to secular ideologies in the hopes of achieving utopia on earth. A utopia, almost by definition, is a totalitarian society. A perfect society allows no flaws. If a flaw is found then utopia is thwarted, and the utopian believers can justify just about any action in the name of achieving their goals. There becomes a problem (among many others) that it’s difficult for even like minded utopianists to agree as to what is perfect as even a mild deviation can be seen as thwarting to perfect good.

A lot of traditional religions have worked out over thousands of years that heaven on earth is not possible, though the occasional small splinter/cult still tries to achieve this. The traditional religions spilled a lot of blood sorting this out over the centuries. ISIS is an example of a group trying to force a utopia (a perfect theocratic state) that has caused a lot of recent bloodshed.

Secular idealism/Utopianism seems to have really only come about since the 19th century, with the various forms of Marxism costing 100 million + lives in the name of achieving the workers’ paradise. (None of the many people I’ve known from former communist countries thought they were living in anything but a lousy prison at best. Well, there are two exceptions, but had both drunk the kook-aid as youths, yet both somehow came to the USA to make their lives.) Secular idealist (those just interested in reforms and improvements are a vanishing breed) keep telling themselves utopia is within reach, and dismiss the prior failures (“that wasn’t real communism/socialism”) because they have to or risk questioning their ideals. I’m afraid we’re in for a very long period of having to deal with the cult-like behavior of the secular idealists. I think the secular “pragmatists” recognize the danger, and is why some of them have reached out to moderate believers recently.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 16, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it?

Because the people with enough leisure and money to spend as much time as they do on these games and enough IQ to enjoy them feel guilty about spending that much time on something that has (at a superficial glance) no real social redemptive value, so they desperately want to be able to point to something about them that says, "Here! We're not just wasting time, we're Improving The World!" I think the same impulse underlies most of the SJ invasion of fandom.

For myself I quote the words of my master C.S. Lewis, who said, "Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art... It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that gives value to survival."
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 16, 2021, 01:53:37 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/gorman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-pming-moderator-to-argue-about-somebody-elses-ban.878657/

No arguing with your betters, peasant.

It's anyone's guess who he was arguing about, though Rupert/Ramidel, and Tantavalist are the likely ones.

I feel sorry for him though.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 16, 2021, 02:53:52 PM
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/gorman-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-pming-moderator-to-argue-about-somebody-elses-ban.878657/

No arguing with your betters, peasant.

It's anyone's guess who he was arguing about, though Rupert/Ramidel, and Tantavalist are the likely ones.

I feel sorry for him though.
You know? Reading those bans while listening to "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by Eurythmics is quite the experience.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on March 16, 2021, 04:08:45 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

Watch some James Linday videos on youtube. (New Discourses) He does comprehensive videos on how critical theory and social justice infiltrate all aspects of society. From D&D to knitting.

TL;DW, an ideology with it's roots in several different philosophies has metastizied into thought cancer.

Wow, thanks for the suggestion. How did I not know James Lindsay before? Good stuff
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 16, 2021, 06:22:49 PM
James Lindsay, along with Helen Pluckrose and Peter Boghossian was party of the Sokal squared hoax where they wrote a lot of fake journal articles with ridiculous premises and got them published in social justice/critical theory journals.

Look it up, it's hilarious.

Although Lindsay does fall into the trap of attributing rather too much of what's going on to ideas.  He ends up making it sound like there is more intellectual consistency than there really is.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 16, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 16, 2021, 07:22:46 PM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 16, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)

Lindsay, Pluckrose and Boghosian are certainly not the final word on the topic. They're a good starting point, I think.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Samsquantch on March 16, 2021, 11:03:16 PM

... listening to "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by Eurythmics is quite the experience.

I see you are a man of culture as well.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 16, 2021, 11:45:17 PM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: TJS on March 17, 2021, 01:14:34 AM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
Ok whatever.  Fuck off.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 17, 2021, 06:57:27 AM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.

B.  His primary grievance is that the authors didn't articulate that the postmodernism of the academics they are attack isn't real postmodernism, which the grad student apparently supports.  So, while acknowledging that the criticisms are accurate, he deflects by suggesting that they do not apply to his version of postmodernism (a la "True communism has never been tried...").

So, in summary, I would like you to refund the time I wasted reading that pseudo-erudite wall of sophomoric jargon posing as a philosophic critique.

P.S. The idea that anyone would find that pablum persuasive says more about them than it does about Lindsay's book...
Ok whatever.  Fuck off.
About the same intellectual level as the critique, but at least you have directness to recommend you...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 17, 2021, 07:37:14 AM
His book, "Cynical Theories", is the best dissection I ever saw of how the excesses of the Left and the Right are currently providing fuel to each other, making both sides able to reach surreal extremes - with Lindsay destroying both in the process.

However, I feel that the fact that this is the most sold book on Amazon in the "Philosophy" section confirms something I really believe in: how most people are interested in understanding the current follies - not in being part of them.
It's a fairly good book.  And it's better when it deals with the more recent "Applied Postmodernism" aspect of things.

But just remember that Pluckrose and Lindsay actually understand this theory and have read a lot more of it better than 99% of people who actually believe in woke causes.  In other words, if you want to understand where certain terms and ideas originate from it's a good source, if you want to understand why they spread and how they are used it's less so.  You really need some kind of sociological explanation.

This review contains a good critique of some of the issues. https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e (https://arcdigital.media/postmodernism-unbound-dc576063e78e)

Ok, I read all of that "critique," and what I gathered is the following:

A. The grad-student who wrote it is upset that the authors didn't ask and answer the questions he would have asked and answered.
I was about to post about that "critique" but you did a better job.

My impression is that the "critic" - while recognising the merits of the book - criticised it for not being what the book never wants to be in the first place. The "mission statement" of the two authors is spelled clearly and in length in the introduction...

This book is therefore written for the layperson who has no background in this type of scholarship but sees the influence of it on society and wants to understand how it works. It is for the liberal to whom a just society is very important, but who can’t help noticing that the Social Justice movement does not seem to facilitate this and wants to be able to make a liberal response to it with consistency and integrity. Cynical Theories is written for anyone from any part of the political spectrum who believes in the marketplace of ideas as a way to examine and challenge ideas and advance society and wants to be able to engage with Social Justice ideas as they really are.

...And quite fulfilled. Their ultimate aim is to show that "Social Justice" (capitalised) not only isn't "social justice" (which I support) but a danger to the latter.

[...]We seek to defend rigorous, evidence-based scholarship and the essential function of the university as a center of knowledge production against anti-empirical, anti-rational, and illiberal currents on the left that threaten to give power to anti-intellectual, anti-equality, and illiberal currents on the right.

The authors point out, quite correctly, how...

It sometimes feels as though any well-intended person, even one who values universal liberty and equality, could inadvertently say something that falls foul of the new speech codes, with devastating consequences for her career and reputation. This is confusing and counterintuitive to a culture accustomed to placing human dignity first and thus valuing charitable interpretations and tolerance of a wide range of views. At best, this has a chilling effect on the culture of free expression, which has served liberal democracies well for more than two centuries, as good people self-censor to avoid saying the “wrong” things. At worst, it is a malicious form of bullying and—when institutionalized—a kind of authoritarianism in our midst. (I guess that TBP was a case-study)

...And how their ultimate aim is to provide...

[...]...A guide to the language and customs that are presently widely promoted under the pleasant-sounding moniker “Social Justice.” We are fluent in both the language and culture of Social Justice scholarship and activism, and we plan to guide our readers through this alien world, charting the evolution of these ideas from their origins fifty years ago right up to the present day.

Regarding all of the above, I can say that the book maintained these promises and fully satisfied me.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 17, 2021, 10:02:54 AM
We're getting a little far afield here.

Back to the mockery!

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rottingcorps-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban.878698/

It's pretty well established that the TBP mandarins don't like backtalk, so my guess is that Rottingcorps won't be there much longer (judging from his response, he may not even bother coming back). TBP admin also refuse to entertain any kind of third-party appeals (for example, someone else asking them to reconsider).

I suppose that would hold water if it swung both ways, but it's pretty well established that if a majority of people report you, your posts will get you in trouble. Meanwhile, if a majority of people argue in your favor, it's ignored.

Also, Tanka is a snotty little punk who never left high school, psychologically. Prove me wrong.

Note: Tanka makes reference to Rottingcorps being told multiple times not to respond to redtext, but mysteriously the search function seems to be lagging out in the forum. Could be coincidence, I guess.

EDIT: Seems to be a forum issue, not shenanigans. I withdraw my implication of skulduggery in that regard.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on March 17, 2021, 02:43:59 PM
Why would anyone want to prove you wrong?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 17, 2021, 03:02:59 PM
Why would anyone want to prove you wrong?
"We see you". The level of tone-deafness is off the scale.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 17, 2021, 03:50:02 PM
Also, Tanka is a snotty little punk who never left high school, psychologically. Prove me wrong.

There should be an extra a in "Tanaka", right?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 17, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
What'd you expect, though? Who's going to tell them 'You guys are stupid and you should feel bad'?

Here's part of the problem: scroll down to 'Forum Statistics' on TBP's forum page.

684,000+ threads, almost 21 million messages, and nearly 100,000 registered users.

Inertia will keep it going, at least for a time. But who knows when it'll collapse?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 17, 2021, 08:26:14 PM
Here's part of the problem: scroll down to 'Forum Statistics' on TBP's forum page.

684,000+ threads, almost 21 million messages, and nearly 100,000 registered users.

True, but that's reflective of nearly 20 years of operation.  A better stat would be to track the daily usage by number of visitors and posts, which I suspect would be down significantly from 10-12 years ago.  Or check the number of bannings and warnings handed out on a daily basis, which I suspect has increased.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on March 17, 2021, 08:38:47 PM
Also, Tanka is a snotty little punk who never left high school, psychologically. Prove me wrong.

There should be an extra a in "Tanaka", right?
Another one less, and an extra ie at the end.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: HappyDaze on March 17, 2021, 09:08:57 PM
What'd you expect, though? Who's going to tell them 'You guys are stupid and you should feel bad'?

Here's part of the problem: scroll down to 'Forum Statistics' on TBP's forum page.

684,000+ threads, almost 21 million messages, and nearly 100,000 registered users.

Inertia will keep it going, at least for a time. But who knows when it'll collapse?
How many of those 100,000 registered users have been banned?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on March 17, 2021, 09:23:21 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

This one is easy. Unfortunately.

Why are they infiltrating and co-opting RPGs so heavily? Because you then have a platform to push your agenda. And they are popular and easy targets. Same with other media. Only apparently easier in the case of comics and movies. I'd say RPGs are the 3rd tier of the bid to spread this mental disease as far as possible. Down from there are video games and then somewhere down below are board games. And there is NOTHING they have not set their sights on to try and co-opt. And all they need is one foot in the door to plant the seeds of madness and off we go with another venue eventually ruined if it takes root.

I think the other reason they are going after RPGs and comics and cartoons so hard is that this allows them to spread their venom to a younger audience. Paving the way for the 2030 wave. Which hilariously will point at our current 2010 wave and demonize them just as 2010 did to 1990, and so on back.

This iteration just happens to be the most insidious and damaging of any prior.

Its Delta Green come to life.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on March 17, 2021, 10:04:45 PM
Can someone explain to me why a fucking nerdy ass hobby about pretending to be fruity elves needs any sort of real-world politics injected into it? I am not being flippant or rhetorical, I want an honest answer as to why people just can't leave their problems at the door to play a GAME. I play GAMES to get the fuck away from real life, I don't want to hyper-analyze stupid shit, I just want to get drunk and roll dice. These fucktards are sucking the joy out of something I have enjoyed since I was a kid and made it into an avenue to explore their sophomoric postmodern ideas. Sorry, I actually have two degrees in philosophy, most of this shit can easily be addressed after one semester of Aristotle. Fuck them. Seriously.

This one is easy. Unfortunately.

Why are they infiltrating and co-opting RPGs so heavily? Because you then have a platform to push your agenda. And they are popular and easy targets. Same with other media. Only apparently easier in the case of comics and movies. I'd say RPGs are the 3rd tier of the bid to spread this mental disease as far as possible. Down from there are video games and then somewhere down below are board games. And there is NOTHING they have not set their sights on to try and co-opt. And all they need is one foot in the door to plant the seeds of madness and off we go with another venue eventually ruined if it takes root.

I think the other reason they are going after RPGs and comics and cartoons so hard is that this allows them to spread their venom to a younger audience. Paving the way for the 2030 wave. Which hilariously will point at our current 2010 wave and demonize them just as 2010 did to 1990, and so on back.

This iteration just happens to be the most insidious and damaging of any prior.

Its Delta Green come to life.

If it bleeds, we can kill it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 08:18:49 AM
Politics is downstream from culture.

And as Omega notes, they have an agenda to push. Thinking of them as proselytizing religious zealots is a fairly accurate comparison.

HappyDaze actually makes a good point, too. How many of those nigh-100k users are banned? I admit it didn't occur to me that they would keep those banned users on the 'roll' to pad their population. I should've pulled up the 'current online' statistics, which as of right now (7:15AM CDT) is:

198 members online
306 guests online

(oh, and at least one of those members/guests is the Google AdSense robot. So subtract one.)

I might, out of boredom, do some data collection, see if there are peaks and valleys in those numbers.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 18, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
And yet I just saw something in a tangentially related field (movies) that only confirms something I strongly believe in: that "they" need someone with a disturbed mindset to be actually heard and agreed. And, luckily, most of us do not fall in that category.

Recently, Netflix put out this movie, "365 Days", which caused a stir. It is about sex slavery, rape, mindfucking and such. I haven't seen it so I can't comment. However, this female journalist from The Independent found it "disgusting". Well, that's her privilege. She pointed out how on Netflix she watches "safe" shows like "Gilmore Girls" and "Friends". Fine, good for her.

Then she says that "365 Days" finally made her cancel her Netflix subscription. Hmmm... OK? If this is your way to send a signal...

And then, out of nowhere, she pulls out this amazing gem:

"It’s why I’ve found that BFI Player, with its brilliantly curated archive and careful selection of new releases – forcing me to make more discerning choices – is just about all I can handle."

Uh?!?  :o So, she abandoned a service offering a wide variety of contents and the opportunity for her to choose what is best for her, for a service that forces her to watch only what a third party deems "good" - so that she can handle her life?! It is not even something implied: she openly uses these exact words.

Netflix is not new to "scandal and controversy". I guess that if it survives so successfully is because people just ignore what they don't like and watch what they do like. On Netflix you can literally search for "Social Issues TV Dramas" if that is what you are looking for.

I have Netflix. I'm not interested in "365 Days" - and no one will be able to "force" me to watch it. It is physically impossible! But I have already earmarked "Mank" and "The Trial of the Chicago Seven" and I'm currently watching "Starblazers 2199". Thank you, Netflix. You don't like my choices? You have my blessing to watch what you want.

I can't wait for when the BFI Player will drop "A Clockwork Orange" on her head. The irony of it will be multidimensional.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 22, 2021, 08:39:47 AM
So TBP tossed up a banner:

"n the last year the Asian-American and Pacific Islander community has increasingly been the target of hate and violence, with the recent shooting being only the most recent and horrific example. RPGnet stands in solidarity with that community. We all have an obligation to stand up again racism and bigotry in all its forms."

Unintentional comedy at its finest. It was only the last incident -- where a sex-addicted loon shot people -- that actually got any movement. Discussion of ferals attacking elderly Asians? Crickets.

I think this link has the best response to this kind of gratis mut: https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/dear-white-liberals-asians-arent-your-pawns/
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 22, 2021, 09:06:34 AM
So TBP tossed up a banner:

"n the last year the Asian-American and Pacific Islander community has increasingly been the target of hate and violence, with the recent shooting being only the most recent and horrific example. RPGnet stands in solidarity with that community. We all have an obligation to stand up again racism and bigotry in all its forms."

Unintentional comedy at its finest. It was only the last incident -- where a sex-addicted loon shot people -- that actually got any movement. Discussion of ferals attacking elderly Asians? Crickets.

I think this link has the best response to this kind of gratis mut: https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/dear-white-liberals-asians-arent-your-pawns/

Yep. It's early in the investigations, but so far, it looks like this guy was a loony sex addict with a side dish of religious nuttery, who shot the place up because it was a temptation. There is zero evidence that it was a racially motivated shooting, but regressives are trying to cook up tenuous justifications to make it about race.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kneller on March 22, 2021, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze
How many of those 100,000 registered users have been banned?

I think I'm at least a half dozen of those. I've been "permabanned" numerous times over the years, more so in the latter half of the time I've been active. But, I just let the dust settle, float my IP and then re-register with a new identity. I know more than a few other people who have done the same. I mean, the moderation there is terrible, but some of the actual users are pretty cool and helpful. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water over some lousy mods.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 22, 2021, 09:17:19 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze
How many of those 100,000 registered users have been banned?

I think I'm at least a half dozen of those. I've been "permabanned" numerous times over the years, more so in the latter half of the time I've been active. But, I just let the dust settle, float my IP and then re-register with a new identity. I know more than a few other people who have done the same. I mean, the moderation there is terrible, but some of the actual users are pretty cool and helpful. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water over some lousy mods.

Your choice. I don't find the juice worth the squeeze. There's an occasional good post with productive ideas about role playing, interspersed among lots of discussions that were old when the internet was dial-up*, and a LOT of ideological bullying. It is, to use their terminology, a toxic environment that isn't good for one's mental health.

*And that's understandable. Millions of people get online every day to discuss the minutia about their interests. Topics get beat into the ground fast.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 22, 2021, 09:48:47 AM
Your choice. I don't find the juice worth the squeeze. There's an occasional good post with productive ideas about role playing, interspersed among lots of discussions that were old when the internet was dial-up*, and a LOT of ideological bullying.
I registered there a couple of months ago in the mistaken belief that you had to register if you wanted to access all the sub-fora (this is the rule in some forums I know).

I still haven't found a reason to post there even once.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on March 22, 2021, 09:55:13 AM
HappyDaze actually makes a good point, too. How many of those nigh-100k users are banned? I admit it didn't occur to me that they would keep those banned users on the 'roll' to pad their population. ...
Last month I asked to be removed from their site, they refused.  So, my inclination is to believe that they will pad the shit out of their numbers for ego and advertising purposes.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 22, 2021, 10:43:30 AM
Your choice. I don't find the juice worth the squeeze. There's an occasional good post with productive ideas about role playing, interspersed among lots of discussions that were old when the internet was dial-up*, and a LOT of ideological bullying.
I registered there a couple of months ago in the mistaken belief that you had to register if you wanted to access all the sub-fora (this is the rule in some forums I know).

I still haven't found a reason to post there even once.
I think you have to register to read the Tangency forum.

Why this is the case, I will leave to others to speculate.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kneller on March 22, 2021, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: Ratman

Your choice. I don't find the juice worth the squeeze.


And that's the thing. I've been a member there since way back in the day, back when things were good. If the handful of good members there in the design forum were to come here or be on reddit, then I probably wouldn't bother. It only takes a moment to reset my IP, and worth the cost to blast any pseudo-theory bullshit that pops up in the design forums. I will say, since all those silly "theories" have been debunked (and the unholy trinity of pretentious armchair designers whose names I dare not mention have faded into obscurity), it has been quiet over there. The design forum (the only one on which I participate) is also the least rife with all the political garbage. I've actually had my current account since 2012, and haven't even had a warning once.

Quote from: zircher
Last month I asked to be removed from their site, they refused.  So, my inclination is to believe that they will pad the shit out of their numbers for ego and advertising purposes.

+1 to this. They most certainly don't have 100k active members. They also have the deadest design forum out of all the forums I visit. I strongly suspect that when the nonsense hit its prime over there, that boosted rpgeek's numbers, and then this place and reddit had launched as other alternatives. I kinda just float in and out of the forums over time (usually pop back in when I'm working on a new design), and I've noticed things seemed to slow down quite a bit soon after The Forge closed. I don't think this is a coincidence. I bet that a significant portion of their membership are old school gamers (and OGs on the site) who stuck around, as I've seen activity in reddit rise over the years, which makes sense as it's a) a less biased alternative and b) more popular with the younger generations.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Dimitrios on March 22, 2021, 11:09:12 AM
I have Netflix. I'm not interested in "365 Days" - and no one will be able to "force" me to watch it. It is physically impossible! But I have already earmarked "Mank" and "The Trial of the Chicago Seven" and I'm currently watching "Starblazers 2199". Thank you, Netflix. You don't like my choices? You have my blessing to watch what you want.

At least their suggestions algorithm seems to have improved. Years ago I watched Downfall, and based on that one movie, Netflix decided that I must be obsessed with all things Hitler/Nazi related. For weeks my "suggestions for you" list was full of The Shocking Secrets of Hitler's Hairdresser! type documentaries.

As for TBP, I haven't managed to deleted my account either, and I haven't visited there in nearly 10 years.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 22, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
Your choice. I don't find the juice worth the squeeze. There's an occasional good post with productive ideas about role playing, interspersed among lots of discussions that were old when the internet was dial-up*, and a LOT of ideological bullying.
I registered there a couple of months ago in the mistaken belief that you had to register if you wanted to access all the sub-fora (this is the rule in some forums I know).

I still haven't found a reason to post there even once.
I think you have to register to read the Tangency forum.

Why this is the case, I will leave to others to speculate.

*Speculate speculate*
I believe my account is still active. After a few months to wean myself off the site (Hey, I'd been a regular for years) my desire to log on faded. While I'm occasionally tempted to log in and see the latest insantiy past the login wall, I then remember that's why I left in the first place.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on March 22, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
Did you have the same username Ratman? I thought I recognized it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on March 22, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
*speculator*
Tangency was put Invisible for non-members because:
- it had NSFW stuff, and in order to become a member you had to confirm you were not under-age (except the Oglaf thread, but that had no direct links). And who would lie about that?
- it had personal stuff that people didn't want to show up in search engines.
- probably a third reason too, but I'm already putting too much time and effort in this. And to paraphrase the wise man 'where's the money in that?'...
*spec off*
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 22, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
They have a thread right now in "Tangency" titled:

Anti Asian-American violence escalates with murders in Atlanta.

I guess there is a clue in-there...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 22, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
Did you have the same username Ratman? I thought I recognized it.

Exact same one.  :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 23, 2021, 06:02:55 AM
There is zero evidence that it was a racially motivated shooting, but regressives are trying to cook up tenuous justifications to make it about race.
It was obviously gender, not race. He was tempted by women, not by men, nor by Asian women in particular. This should be something which fits easily into the progressive narrative of women as victims.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 23, 2021, 09:45:34 AM
There is zero evidence that it was a racially motivated shooting, but regressives are trying to cook up tenuous justifications to make it about race.
It was obviously gender, not race. He was tempted by women, not by men, nor by Asian women in particular. This should be something which fits easily into the progressive narrative of women as victims.

Since George Floyd, race has been a much more important identity for the regressives. I think that's why they're focusing on the asian victims and ignoring the others.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: GeekyBugle on March 24, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
There is zero evidence that it was a racially motivated shooting, but regressives are trying to cook up tenuous justifications to make it about race.
It was obviously gender, not race. He was tempted by women, not by men, nor by Asian women in particular. This should be something which fits easily into the progressive narrative of women as victims.

It was obviously religious, sex adict that wants to be a devote muslim...

I once had a sect of this type of religious zealots thrown our way by the DM, we first thought it was a single murderer, but alas it was a lot of them, thank fuck some of us were aware of Jack the Ripper so we could lay a trap and capture one.

We ended up murderizing all and then tracking the sect across several kingdoms.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on March 24, 2021, 07:37:46 PM
They have a thread right now in "Tangency" titled:

Anti Asian-American violence escalates with murders in Atlanta.


That reminds me, has Pundit ever done a trans-racial race for DnD? 

I guess Changeling or Shifter could work.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 24, 2021, 07:53:32 PM
Another round of bans in the Infractions subforum. I gotta say, I've never seen an administrative base so damn eager to hand these things out.

Every time I start to think about joining and posting on TBP, I just go by Infractions, and the desire vanishes.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Haffrung on March 25, 2021, 11:17:07 AM
The Infractions forum would be a goldmine for a psychology student looking to do a PhD thesis on the exercise of authority in social media. I expect it would be easy for anyone trained in the field to identify the various pathologies of  the moderators.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on March 25, 2021, 11:25:57 AM
The Infractions forum would be a goldmine for a psychology student looking to do a PhD thesis on the exercise of authority in social media. I expect it would be easy for anyone trained in the field to identify the various pathologies of  the moderators.

If you could find one these days who isn't in agreement with them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on March 25, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
I expect it would be easy for anyone trained in the field to identify the various pathologies of  the moderators.

It might be more useful to be able to review the user reports to which the mods (by their own testimony) are mostly reacting. I don't know if the users get a comment box to explain exactly why they find posts offensive, but if they did it would be interesting to analyze them for frequency of complainers and frequently-repeated themes of complaint -- it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the environment is a product of an intransigent minority being willing to demand things too many of the majority no longer bother objecting to.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Visitor Q on March 25, 2021, 02:17:21 PM
I think quite a lot of the infraction tickets are basically harassment to drive certain members off the site.  Considering that basically any post expressing an opinion can be interpreted as an infraction if you are assuming bad faith on the part of the poster this strategy is quite effective.

It has always struck me as a microcosm of a hard left state.  It is particularly amusing when you see users who are banned who previously were espousing the virtues of the SJW creed.  It's very Soviet. 

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 25, 2021, 04:20:16 PM
The Infractions forum would be a goldmine for a psychology student looking to do a PhD thesis on the exercise of authority in social media. I expect it would be easy for anyone trained in the field to identify the various pathologies of  the moderators.
Even more interesting would be to compare the "Infractions" of today with was considered an "infraction" ten years ago (that forum goes back to 2012). Mapping a descent into insanity could be, very ironically, quite Lovecraftian...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on March 25, 2021, 06:48:07 PM
The Infractions forum would be a goldmine for a psychology student looking to do a PhD thesis on the exercise of authority in social media. I expect it would be easy for anyone trained in the field to identify the various pathologies of  the moderators.
Even more interesting would be to compare the "Infractions" of today with was considered an "infraction" ten years ago (that forum goes back to 2012). Mapping a descent into insanity could be, very ironically, quite Lovecraftian...

That could make for an interesting modern day COC scenario.

People being ritually 'canceled' for past social media discretions in order to summon some GOO, because some people slowly descended into madness...maybe 'overworked' forum mods as the cultists...

I may have to think about that one for a bit

Thanks
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Thornhammer on March 25, 2021, 08:25:01 PM

That could make for an interesting modern day COC scenario.

People being ritually 'canceled' for past social media discretions in order to summon some GOO, because some people slowly descended into madness...maybe 'overworked' forum mods as the cultists...

I may have to think about that one for a bit

Thanks

The great god Twi'taaar hungers.  You are no longer a good fit for...existence.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Steven Mitchell on March 26, 2021, 07:29:11 AM

That could make for an interesting modern day COC scenario.

People being ritually 'canceled' for past social media discretions in order to summon some GOO, because some people slowly descended into madness...maybe 'overworked' forum mods as the cultists...

I may have to think about that one for a bit

Thanks

The great god Twi'taaar hungers.  You are no longer a good fit for...existence.

Too realistic for my tastes.  I like my games more fantastically hopeful. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on March 26, 2021, 08:27:30 AM

That could make for an interesting modern day COC scenario.

People being ritually 'canceled' for past social media discretions in order to summon some GOO, because some people slowly descended into madness...maybe 'overworked' forum mods as the cultists...

I may have to think about that one for a bit

Thanks

The great god Twi'taaar hungers.  You are no longer a good fit for...existence.

Too realistic for my tastes.  I like my games more fantastically hopeful.
You could start the game with the discovery that a current moderator was banned for something he posted, as a user, ten years ago...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 01, 2021, 11:13:18 AM
So TBP is handing out fake permabans for 'bein' too awesome' today (April Fool's).

I guess it would be more amusing if they didn't have the hair trigger habit of tossing bans for stupid reasons.

EDIT: I wandered over to Trouble Tickets and saw this:
https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/welcome-your-new-moderator.879444/

For fuck's sake... do they ever get tired of licking prog ass?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on April 01, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
They should have went with "After careful consideration backstage, we've decided to shutdown Tangency" for 4/1. Most of them would have fallen for it.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Michael Dean on April 01, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
I thought the "Bein' too awesome" bans were for newbie moderators to practice handing out infractions.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 01, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
I thought the "Bein' too awesome" bans were for newbie moderators to practice handing out infractions.

Don't forget that they handed out a ban for "disrespecting Chicken McNuggets" - an April's Fool literally everywhere else but a serious thing there.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on April 05, 2021, 05:39:55 PM
So, uh, anybody know what a "Redneck Valkyrie" looks like?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: jan paparazzi on April 05, 2021, 09:19:30 PM
What it all boils down to is that those are too lazy to refute things, so they just censor it. They don't have anything with freedom. Instead of debunking another opinion which might be incorrect, they rather rubber stamp it as unsavory. Enabling racism, normalizing hatred etc. I rather be the judge of that myself. It's not freedom of speech, but freedom of listening
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 05, 2021, 09:55:03 PM
They should have went with "After careful consideration backstage, we've decided to shutdown Tangency" for 4/1. Most of them would have fallen for it.
They'd need trigger warnings, and they'd have to put all the furries on suicide watch.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mishihari on April 06, 2021, 12:04:59 AM
They should have went with "After careful consideration backstage, we've decided to shutdown Tangency" for 4/1. Most of them would have fallen for it.

I agitated long and hard for that back in the day whenI was a member.  I still think it might have saved the site.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: zircher on April 06, 2021, 12:18:33 AM
So, uh, anybody know what a "Redneck Valkyrie" looks like?
I believe this page has you covered.   ;D
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 06, 2021, 02:00:42 AM
How many years of concentrated seethe is the forum at now?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on April 06, 2021, 07:24:01 AM
So, uh, anybody know what a "Redneck Valkyrie" looks like?
I believe this page has you covered.   ;D
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/)
LOL, yes indeed.
Here's the story:  A small "make a character from this photo" thread drew three infractions, including the removal of the offending graphic.

 
Quote
  <original poster> said:
    Yeah no. I found it on a “Country Girl” twitter feed. There’s nothing at all special about the photo, or should I say, the girl in the photo. What makes the photo, and what inspired this thread, was her Jeep’s license plate - HELHEIM.

    That’s what made the photo unique and invoked the whole Modern Mythic Redneck Shield Maiden thing. Because who would have that as their vanity plate other than a Valkyrie?

Quote
Moderator Text:

Nope. To reiterate folks - when we pull something from the board, a discussion of nature of the thing and how to find it is not the road you should head down, especially not after a mod directive to stop doing precisely that.

As for "who would have that as their vanity plate other than a Valkyrie?" you have already been given an answer for that in Trouble Tickets.

Leaving that aside, it would be especially weird for a Valkyrie to have a license plate reading Helheim mythologically.

Take a day off.

Even the RPGnet moderation team admits there wasn't anything wrong with the photo, it was just "beneath our standards" so to speak.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Crawford Tillinghast on April 06, 2021, 07:26:18 AM
How many years of concentrated seethe is the forum at now?
TBP or this one? ;)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 06, 2021, 07:27:37 AM
So, uh, anybody know what a "Redneck Valkyrie" looks like?
I believe this page has you covered.   ;D
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500673683557505132/)
If that is what is causing angst and bans at TBP then I can think of no better example that puritanism has shifted to using a leftist secular vector as mainstream religion has lost influence. “I no longer believe in God, but I still absolutely fear that somebody may be having enjoyment of some kind that I don’t approve of.”

Images of women (some are cheesecake, some not) with guns are so frightening to them that not only do they not allow the posting of said images on their site (which I can   understand if they don’t want to become a site for hosting cheesecake), but you also can’t even mention that such a thing exist. Of course, maybe this isn’t what is meant by “redneck valkyrie”, but one can’t be sure because even describing the term is forbidden. It’s a taboo similar to the name of God for some folks.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 06, 2021, 07:57:22 AM
I think I found the picture in question:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/219902394294876762/
So it’s a bit of cheesecake, though I don’t think it’s a very good expression of cheesecake. The mods are going off that it’s coded pagan white supremacy, which has me wonder if there’s nothing in this world that they couldn’t define as white suprematism.

Is the picture silly or stupid? Sure one could think that. However, also plausible as a starting inspiration for a character concept. TBP couldn’t make even talking about the image taboo by just saying it’s cheesecake as they aren’t yet ready to declare themselves the Junior Anti-Sex League, at least not the Junior Anti-“Not the Right Kind of Sex” League. So they take use the vanity plate to make a tenuous link to white supremacy and Odinism. One would think some pagans there would take offense. I also skimmed the Twitter feed going back to November 29 to find the original post and I found no idiot white supremacy talk, just dorks talking about his hot they found the pictures, which is nothing new, and will always be a normal human reaction to guys seeing attractive women.

I believe the OP who introduced this image at TBP is black, and it’s beyond insanity that she would be promoting white supremacy.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 06, 2021, 08:12:13 AM
I think I found the picture in question:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/219902394294876762/
So it’s a bit of cheesecake, though I don’t think it’s a very good expression of cheesecake. The mods are going off that it’s coded pagan white supremacy, which has me wonder if there’s nothing in this world that they couldn’t define as white suprematism.

Is the picture silly or stupid? Sure one could think that. However, also plausible as a starting inspiration for a character concept. TBP couldn’t make even talking about the image taboo by just saying it’s cheesecake as they aren’t yet ready to declare themselves the Junior Anti-Sex League, at least not the Junior Anti-“Not the Right Kind of Sex” League. So they take use the vanity plate to make a tenuous link to white supremacy and Odinism. One would think some pagans there would take offense. I also skimmed the Twitter feed going back to November 29 to find the original post and I found no idiot white supremacy talk, just dorks talking about his hot they found the pictures, which is nothing new, and will always be a normal human reaction to guys seeing attractive women.

I believe the OP who introduced this image at TBP is black, and it’s beyond insanity that she would be promoting white supremacy.
Well, it alternates between 'we don't like suggestive pictures' and 'muh white supremacy'. They've been pissy about cheesecake, even SFW cheesecake, for a while. The 'white supremacy' bit is just another club to hit people with.

You'd think they'd want to reclaim Asatru/Aesir worship from white supremacy, emphasizing the strong meritocratic aspects (Odin was top dog not because he was smarter, stronger, or wilier than Frigga, Thor, or Loki -- but because he could be better at all three of them than any one of the others). Frankly, if I was an Asatruist I'd be more than a little tired of this crap.

But then, cardboard villains are the easiest for wokeist retards to fight.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: KingCheops on April 06, 2021, 10:42:13 AM
Her body her choice right?  Who are we to deny women the right to display their sexuality in cheesecake photographs?

Now let me get back to my post project technical documentation which I am totally going to do and not browse through these Pintrest feeds all day.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 06, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Her body her choice right?  Who are we to deny women the right to display their sexuality in cheesecake photographs?

Now let me get back to my post project technical documentation which I am totally going to do and not browse through these Pintrest feeds all day.
I'll be honest, I'd be hard-pressed to not troll the shit out of them with 'I'm sorry you feel so threatened by a PROUD CONFIDENT WOMAN. Maybe someday you'll rid yourself of your internalized misogyny.'

That theory I saw about how wokeists hate beautiful things and people, and worship ugly things because it reflects their real selves, just seems to keep gathering momentum.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 06, 2021, 11:32:06 AM
How many years of concentrated seethe is the forum at now?
TBP or this one? ;)

The one with the clear ideological slant.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 06, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
How many years of concentrated seethe is the forum at now?
TBP or this one? ;)

The one with the clear ideological slant.

*squinty eyes* That didn't help, son.

I'll cop to having been banned sometime last summer from the big purple for pointing out the inconvenient truth that Sean Young spent her time filming Blade Runner stoned out of her gourd, something that she herself has said in multiple interviews. Apparently, their habit of coming up with something that you didn't actually say and infracting you with that also meant that the mod team thinks I'm an Islamophobe and thus needed to be permakicked for a completely unrelated thing.  ::)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 06, 2021, 12:32:46 PM
How many years of concentrated seethe is the forum at now?
TBP or this one? ;)

The one with the clear ideological slant.

*squinty eyes* That didn't help, son.

I'll cop to having been banned sometime last summer from the big purple for pointing out the inconvenient truth that Sean Young spent her time filming Blade Runner stoned out of her gourd, something that she herself has said in multiple interviews. Apparently, their habit of coming up with something that you didn't actually say and infracting you with that also meant that the mod team thinks I'm an Islamophobe and thus needed to be permakicked for a completely unrelated thing.  ::)

Sucks, but it's not like the gates of Eden are barred by an angel with a flaming sword or anything.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 06, 2021, 10:56:29 PM
Mama Voodoo, the poster of the redneck valkyrie thread, has been permabanned over that posting. Her level of Wokeness couldn’t keep up with the mods, so the revolution eats another of their own for a trifling infraction.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 06, 2021, 11:58:02 PM
Mama Voodoo, the poster of the redneck valkyrie thread, has been permabanned over that posting. Her level of Wokeness couldn’t keep up with the mods, so the revolution eats another of their own for a trifling infraction.

I believe Mama Voodoo is a recurring poster who's been banned and un-banned since she's a "minorty", but goes off the rails even for TPB.

https://www.therpgsite.com/profile/?area=showposts;sa=messages;u=9869
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 07, 2021, 12:24:49 AM
Mama Voodoo, the poster of the redneck valkyrie thread, has been permabanned over that posting. Her level of Wokeness couldn’t keep up with the mods, so the revolution eats another of their own for a trifling infraction.

I believe Mama Voodoo is a recurring poster who's been banned and un-banned since she's a "minorty", but goes off the rails even for TPB.

https://www.therpgsite.com/profile/?area=showposts;sa=messages;u=9869

However in this case I’d argue it’s the mods who have gone off the rails in the general sense of the phrase. Unless you specifically meant she went off the bizarre and ever-changing set of rails the mods lay down at TBP.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 07, 2021, 02:21:41 AM
Even the Soviet Union's asylums had a few genuine lunatics inside them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 07, 2021, 02:24:24 AM
Even the Soviet Union's asylums had a few genuine lunatics inside them.

That was the great thing about Soviet asylums: even if you weren't really crazy when you went in, you'd almost certainly wind up that way after staying there.  After all, isn't the hallmark of insanity the conviction that you're the only sane man around?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 07, 2021, 02:55:08 AM
Mama Voodoo, the poster of the redneck valkyrie thread, has been permabanned over that posting. Her level of Wokeness couldn’t keep up with the mods, so the revolution eats another of their own for a trifling infraction.

I believe Mama Voodoo is a recurring poster who's been banned and un-banned since she's a "minorty", but goes off the rails even for TPB.

https://www.therpgsite.com/profile/?area=showposts;sa=messages;u=9869

However in this case I’d argue it’s the mods who have gone off the rails in the general sense of the phrase. Unless you specifically meant she went off the bizarre and ever-changing set of rails the mods lay down at TBP.

I'm saying there's some history between the user and the mods.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 07, 2021, 03:25:47 AM
I'm reminded of the old saying about rpg.net, that for some of them the only roleplaying they do is pretending to be gamers.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on April 07, 2021, 05:47:26 AM
If that is what is causing angst and bans at TBP then I can think of no better example that puritanism has shifted to using a leftist secular vector as mainstream religion has lost influence. “I no longer believe in God, but I still absolutely fear that somebody may be having enjoyment of some kind that I don’t approve of.”

Every iteration of this cult has had these "moral guardians" at the forefront or neck-n-neck with the Social Injustice crowd. Just about every time the first stage is ever more stringent demands for censoring things. "Think of the children!" is their meat shield to hid behind. Around 2000 they also started trying to slip into legislature what some called a "Stalker Assist Law" that required any adult depiction of a woman to to have her name and home address on the image. That was as the 90s iteration of this was winding down and the 2010 version we now live in was yet to kick in.

Every fucking time.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on April 07, 2021, 05:53:21 AM
I think I found the picture in question:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/219902394294876762/
So it’s a bit of cheesecake, though I don’t think it’s a very good expression of cheesecake. The mods are going off that it’s coded pagan white supremacy, which has me wonder if there’s nothing in this world that they couldn’t define as white suprematism.


If that is your idea of cheesecake then you'd fit right in over on BGG.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on April 07, 2021, 05:55:59 AM
Her body her choice right?  Who are we to deny women the right to display their sexuality in cheesecake photographs?

Now let me get back to my post project technical documentation which I am totally going to do and not browse through these Pintrest feeds all day.
I'll be honest, I'd be hard-pressed to not troll the shit out of them with 'I'm sorry you feel so threatened by a PROUD CONFIDENT WOMAN. Maybe someday you'll rid yourself of your internalized misogyny.'

That theory I saw about how wokeists hate beautiful things and people, and worship ugly things because it reflects their real selves, just seems to keep gathering momentum.

Wanted: Strong Proud Confident Woman
Must be submissive, covered head to toe in a burlap sack, and know her place.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: David Johansen on April 07, 2021, 06:16:58 AM
Wanted: Strong Proud Confident Woman
Must be submissive, covered head to toe in a burlap sack, and know her place.

Now that's proper feminism!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 07, 2021, 08:59:02 AM
Nazi is such a bad word to use for these people. I prefer calling them communists because they're literal adherents to Stalin-esque tactics and seem to enjoy erasing their opponents from history.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 07, 2021, 09:46:25 AM

*squinty eyes* That didn't help, son.

I'll cop to having been banned sometime last summer from the big purple for pointing out the inconvenient truth that Sean Young spent her time filming Blade Runner stoned out of her gourd, something that she herself has said in multiple interviews. Apparently, their habit of coming up with something that you didn't actually say and infracting you with that also meant that the mod team thinks I'm an Islamophobe and thus needed to be permakicked for a completely unrelated thing.  ::)
Ah, that was you? I remember seeing that ban and wondering how the fuck it was Islamophobic and anti-Palestinian. I mean, if they'd demanded you provide more than just 'I heard this', okay, but I was trying to figure out how Hollywood drug excesses linked to the whole Islam/Palestinian schtick.

I wonder if they get all hot and bothered when people remark on how Carrie Fisher was coked to the gills during RotJ, or how the Bespin landing port scene was slightly marred by the entire cast still being a bit inebriated after partying with Eric Idle.

EDIT: Oh look, they're doing their usual fundraiser/membership drive. More morons to grift money from and then ban when they say the wrong thing.

They're up past their $1000 goal, with 17 people paying out $30 and four paying out $150.

P.T. Barnum was right.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 07, 2021, 02:29:38 PM

*squinty eyes* That didn't help, son.

I'll cop to having been banned sometime last summer from the big purple for pointing out the inconvenient truth that Sean Young spent her time filming Blade Runner stoned out of her gourd, something that she herself has said in multiple interviews. Apparently, their habit of coming up with something that you didn't actually say and infracting you with that also meant that the mod team thinks I'm an Islamophobe and thus needed to be permakicked for a completely unrelated thing.  ::)
Ah, that was you? I remember seeing that ban and wondering how the fuck it was Islamophobic and anti-Palestinian. I mean, if they'd demanded you provide more than just 'I heard this', okay, but I was trying to figure out how Hollywood drug excesses linked to the whole Islam/Palestinian schtick.

I wonder if they get all hot and bothered when people remark on how Carrie Fisher was coked to the gills during RotJ, or how the Bespin landing port scene was slightly marred by the entire cast still being a bit inebriated after partying with Eric Idle.


Yep. The context is that I had gotten a previous ban for "Reconquista Apologia" because I pointed out that Christians didn't (and don't) exactly have the best time under Islamic rule in a thread that started about St. Nicholas and Black Piet. Considering one of my seminary classmates (an Anglican priest) no longer lives in Pakistan because he was afraid for his wife and daughters, I have reasons to be salty on the topic.

Of course, if I wanted to indulge in actual Reconquista Apologia, I'd talk about how badly English-language historiography on the reemergence of Spain has been warped by anti-Catholic prejudice stemming from the Tudors and the Stuarts.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 07, 2021, 05:26:59 PM
Nazi is such a bad word to use for these people. I prefer calling them communists because they're literal adherents to Stalin-esque tactics and seem to enjoy erasing their opponents from history.

I would too, but communist just doesn't have the same sting as Nazi, though I think it should.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 07, 2021, 05:28:20 PM
I would too, but communist just doesn't have the same sting as Nazi, though I think it should.

When I was a kid I always wanted to kill commies; Nazis had already been defeated. Leave it to the leftists to use a non-existent boogeyman to brand anyone they disagree with as evil.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 07, 2021, 07:16:18 PM

EDIT: Oh look, they're doing their usual fundraiser/membership drive. More morons to grift money from and then ban when they say the wrong thing.

They're up past their $1000 goal, with 17 people paying out $30 and four paying out $150.

P.T. Barnum was right.

Did they advertise that on their site somewhere?  I see it if I do a search on the fundraiser site but not on rpg.net.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 07, 2021, 10:13:19 PM

EDIT: Oh look, they're doing their usual fundraiser/membership drive. More morons to grift money from and then ban when they say the wrong thing.

They're up past their $1000 goal, with 17 people paying out $30 and four paying out $150.

P.T. Barnum was right.

Did they advertise that on their site somewhere?  I see it if I do a search on the fundraiser site but not on rpg.net.
There's a banner on their forum frontpage.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Autumnborn on April 08, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
little update on Voodoo. She was a lying attention monger type. Last year she faked a pregnancy, and posted baby pictures stolen from an NBA player's kid.

When it was made public the mods swept it under the rug by deleting the thread.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 08, 2021, 05:58:05 PM
little update on Voodoo. She was a lying attention monger type. Last year she faked a pregnancy, and posted baby pictures stolen from an NBA player's kid.

When it was made public the mods swept it under the rug by deleting the thread.
That is insane.

That’s also far more worthy of a ban than what they got her for.

Lying to the community, and faking an identity of a person to get attention: The mods will help cover for you.

Slight deviation from their current flavor of Right-think: Permabanned with derision!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 08, 2021, 06:02:22 PM
little update on Voodoo. She was a lying attention monger type. Last year she faked a pregnancy, and posted baby pictures stolen from an NBA player's kid.

When it was made public the mods swept it under the rug by deleting the thread.
I wonder if it is still available on Wayback Machine...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Autumnborn on April 08, 2021, 06:06:58 PM
There are screen caps on Kiwifarms.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/rpgnet-forums.20689/page-41#post-5988351
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 08, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
Holy shit. Evidently, for some people rpg.net drama is The Bold & the Beautiful - watch it every day and take notes. I did like, "At this point RPG.net can only aspire for the dignity and open-mindedness of Tumblr."

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 08, 2021, 10:27:15 PM
TBP is their own worst enemy in this regard. They hand out infractions like candy on Halloween, and their consistency is poor to put it mildly.

They generate their own drama, and an awful lot of people stand around and just fucking watch while eating popcorn.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Autumnborn on April 08, 2021, 10:42:24 PM
And recently the bans and infraction are more... randomly excessive then usual.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 09, 2021, 12:16:22 AM
That kiwi farms thread noted that when a mod had been doxxed (names, addresses, phone numbers and family details get listed), the bans came more frequently. And I can't really blame the rpg.net mods for that, it's going to make you a bit paranoid and jumpy.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 09, 2021, 05:19:31 AM
Holy shit. Evidently, for some people rpg.net drama is The Bold & the Beautiful
More like "The Roommate Agreement" from The Big Bang Theory.  ;D
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Chris24601 on April 09, 2021, 09:30:16 AM
Slight deviation from their current flavor of Right-think: Permabanned with derision!
Accusing TBP mods of right think will get you perma-banned. It is Left-think, Komrade! They tolerate nothing of the right.  ;)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 09, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
Holy shit. Evidently, for some people rpg.net drama is The Bold & the Beautiful - watch it every day and take notes. I did like, "At this point RPG.net can only aspire for the dignity and open-mindedness of Tumblr."

It's like a reality tv show where the participants don't even realize they're on tv. Probably more Allen Funt than Mark Burnett.

EDIT: Made an account...looks like a fun place!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Antiquation! on April 09, 2021, 09:52:55 PM
let me explain
this is how TBP mods see themselves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFa3XnV1Rvw
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on April 12, 2021, 02:13:38 PM
Can someone explain the Dan Davenport situation over there? I could have sworn the dude used to be a mod, or at least posted a lot. All that's left are reviews he did. I see he's a user here now.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 12, 2021, 02:56:52 PM
Can someone explain the Dan Davenport situation over there? I could have sworn the dude used to be a mod, or at least posted a lot. All that's left are reviews he did. I see he's a user here now.

Dan Davenport was in charge of the rpg.net IRC, and for a long time just had that going -- he was never a mod in the forums, but he did regularly post when the IRC had a guest coming on. His last posts there were in 2018, announcing that #rpgnet chat had become #randomworlds. His posting style leads me to believe that he's fairly conservative, and got unhappy with the nonsense that the  mod team got up to, but as you say he's a user here and can speak for himself on that note.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 12, 2021, 04:45:52 PM
.... he was never a mod in the forums...
That's false, he was definitely a mod. Why not wait for someone to come along who has better information, perhaps even the gumshoe himself?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 12, 2021, 05:16:51 PM
.... he was never a mod in the forums...
That's false, he was definitely a mod. Why not wait for someone to come along who has better information, perhaps even the gumshoe himself?

In what time period do you think he was a mod of the RPG.net forums? He ran the #rpgnet IRC, yes, and had full mod/admin powers on the IRC, but the evidence I see (and remember, having been on the site since 2002) says that he was a normal user up until he took over the IRC stuff, and that taking over the IRC did not give him mod powers on the forums.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 12, 2021, 05:30:45 PM
In what time period do you think he was a mod of the RPG.net forums? He ran the #rpgnet IRC, yes, and had full mod/admin powers on the IRC, but the evidence I see (and remember, having been on the site since 2002) says that he was a normal user up until he took over the IRC stuff, and that taking over the IRC did not give him mod powers on the forums.
The rpg.net chat was not an official rpg.net anything, though they granted him permission to use the name (that's why there was a disclaimer in the announcements, for a while). You're passing on bad information. Like I said, why not wait until someone more steeped in this comes along?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wildstar on April 12, 2021, 06:14:55 PM
I remember Dan being a mod, and it seems like he got stripped of his mod status because tangency didn't like having someone conservative leaning modding them.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on April 12, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
.... he was never a mod in the forums...
That's false, he was definitely a mod. Why not wait for someone to come along who has better information, perhaps even the gumshoe himself?

In what time period do you think he was a mod of the RPG.net forums? He ran the #rpgnet IRC, yes, and had full mod/admin powers on the IRC, but the evidence I see (and remember, having been on the site since 2002) says that he was a normal user up until he took over the IRC stuff, and that taking over the IRC did not give him mod powers on the forums.

Quote from: Dan Davenport back in March 26, 2007 on this site
Okay, let me try this again:

I am not talking about the RPGnet forums, where I am a mod but do not set policy.

I am talking about the #rpgnet chatroom, where I am the channel owner.

Or, more specifically, I am talking about an RPGnet chatroom, since there hasn't been an official IRC chatroom for RPGnet since Skotos took over. Anyone can create such a chatroom, with the only restriction being that I happen to have registered the name on Magicstar -- just as another person created a #therpgsite chatroom. And anyone can run a chatroom thusly created however he or she chooses.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on April 12, 2021, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from:  Dan Davenport from Feb 2007, this site
I don't know how much I'll actually be posting here, given that (1) I have quite a bit of writing to occupy my time and (2) I don't know how comfortable a SwineRPGnetMod like myself will be here, but I figured I'd give it a chance, at least. ;)

Approx 2,500 posts since that one!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Aglondir on April 12, 2021, 06:36:21 PM
Here you go.

Quote from:  Dan Davenport, April 4, 2011 this site
No, I don't mind.

The short version is that I expressed some conservative opinions that riled up the dominant leftist Tangency culture. I didn't so in any more of a confrontational manner than the other side had used on many occassions, but it turns out that there was an unwritten rule: Tangency's dominant leftist culture musn't be met head-on for fear of disturbing the peace.

First I was de-modded for not putting up with someone calling me a liar about my motives, then I was kicked out of Backstage and banned from political threads for a supposed pattern of misbehavior.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 12, 2021, 06:49:54 PM
That makes it much clearer. My googling had only gone back to  late 2011, where he was essentially only posting the IRC notices, with the occasional foray into other forums.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on April 12, 2021, 06:56:22 PM
Greetings!

Dave Davenport is a member of our website right here. I think he is also a moderator here. He does lots of articles in the game article section and mostly game reviews and interviews. He's great!

Who cares what TBP is doing? Of course TBP doesn't like Dave Davenport. They don't like a whole lotta people. Fuck TBP.

Dave Davenport is very welcome here on this website.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 12, 2021, 06:57:17 PM
Who cares about what TBP is doing, he says in the thirty-five page thread born of resentment.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on April 12, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Who cares about what TBP is doing, he says in the thirty-five page thread born of resentment.

Come on, you know we still love you, you crazy bastard you.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 12, 2021, 07:29:22 PM
Davenport - regardless of his politics - was never going to be welcome at rpg.net because he actually games.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 12, 2021, 09:43:06 PM
Who cares about what TBP is doing, he says in the thirty-five page thread born of resentment.

Come on, you know we still love you, you crazy bastard you.

Then why do you hit me so hard
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on April 12, 2021, 09:55:28 PM
Who cares about what TBP is doing, he says in the thirty-five page thread born of resentment.

Come on, you know we still love you, you crazy bastard you.

Then why do you hit me so hard

I only hit because I care so much.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2021, 09:01:23 AM
Yes, it's TOTALLY just 'resentment' to examine the bizarre and contradictory behavior of a forum on a website that touts itself as 'RPGnet is the oldest independent roleplaying site on the Internet. It was founded in 1996 by Emma Antunes and is now owned and run by Dyvers Hands Productions, a company specializing in storytelling across many media.' That's taken literally from the 'About RPGnet' page.

(Sidenote: I keep reading 'Dyvers Hands' not as 'diverse hands' but as 'diver's hands'. LOL.)

I mean, us being rather vaguely interested in roleplaying games, why should we show so much interest in this zombie website that has turned into a circlejerk for leftist memes? Oh yeah, because, again, they claim to be TOTALLY about RPGs, guys! Really!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 13, 2021, 11:06:21 AM
"Born of resentment" ain't "just resentment," but given the very large population of locals here as refugees from getting banned because they said something the purple people didn't like, and are still aggrieved about it, it's a lotta resentment.

Give me other reasons as you please, but do not deny "Fuck those guys how dare they ban me we'll show them" ain't one of the reasons, and it ain't a small one.

Edit: I mean I guess another good reason would be that without the purple people where would we have a source for half the sex crimes in the RPG industry? It's not like they'd ever get posted here as a first scoop. No purple people, no reasons to be mad.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 13, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
I mean, us being rather vaguely interested in roleplaying games, why should we show so much interest in this zombie website that has turned into a circlejerk for leftist memes? Oh yeah, because, again, they claim to be TOTALLY about RPGs, guys! Really!

I was permabanned twice over there, once for literally saying I thought the country was doing well around 2018 in some thread bitching about Trump. Literally just stating that I wasn't trembling in my boots at the mere thought of having to live in the US because Trump was president = perma. Zero infractions, nothing.

So my interest in rpg.net is strictly out of sheer malice: I want to watch that fucking site burn to the ground for having the audacity to pretend to be about RPGs when really it's just a bunch of leftist fucks sucking each other off.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 13, 2021, 12:41:00 PM
Their circlejerk gave not enough grip and they used their nails, better come over here to start our own.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on April 13, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
Follow up question. Did Dan have his account deleted, something TBP claims is impossible? Because I couldn't find any forum posts by the dude, just references to reviews.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wildstar on April 13, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Follow up question. Did Dan have his account deleted, something TBP claims is impossible? Because I couldn't find any forum posts by the dude, just references to reviews.

Checked myself. Looks like all his posts are now under the name "Guest"

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/comic-in-the-pit-1-reviewed-by-dan-davenport-3-3.202385/post-4211843
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 13, 2021, 01:50:11 PM
That's odd because I could go to rpg.net as a guest and use the search function to find user "Dan Davenport", and found several thousand of his posts. Almost all of them about #rpgnet IRC chat guests, but that's what I remember him doing.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2021, 01:55:10 PM
I mean, us being rather vaguely interested in roleplaying games, why should we show so much interest in this zombie website that has turned into a circlejerk for leftist memes? Oh yeah, because, again, they claim to be TOTALLY about RPGs, guys! Really!

I was permabanned twice over there, once for literally saying I thought the country was doing well around 2018 in some thread bitching about Trump. Literally just stating that I wasn't trembling in my boots at the mere thought of having to live in the US because Trump was president = perma. Zero infractions, nothing.

So my interest in rpg.net is strictly out of sheer malice: I want to watch that fucking site burn to the ground for having the audacity to pretend to be about RPGs when really it's just a bunch of leftist fucks sucking each other off.
Don't take this as a knock, because honestly, it's not -- but considering TBP's deranged staff went all-in on banning any support for Trump, you probably should've seen that one coming. I mean, holy balls, they kicked that one guy off for being employed by ICE even though he agreed with their views, but he kept pointing out their rage over the border situation was misaimed.

(No word on what they think of the current border situation.)

But yeah, I can understand spite in this case. Agree with it, even.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wildstar on April 13, 2021, 01:56:59 PM
That's odd because I could go to rpg.net as a guest and use the search function to find user "Dan Davenport", and found several thousand of his posts. Almost all of them about #rpgnet IRC chat guests, but that's what I remember him doing.

I think I found a really old post.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Omega on April 13, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
(Sidenote: I keep reading 'Dyvers Hands' not as 'diverse hands' but as 'diver's hands'. LOL.)

Ok so I am not the only one who did that. My brother is a deep sea construction worker and I'll have to pass that along to him.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2021, 02:24:10 PM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 13, 2021, 02:58:54 PM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.

Are these the same people who don't want you to be able to do anything until you get a vaccine and are also giving free money to everyone unless you're white? Hmmm...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: ScytheSong on April 13, 2021, 03:38:03 PM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.

Are these the same people who don't want you to be able to do anything until you get a vaccine and are also giving free money to everyone unless you're white? Hmmm...

Even you have to  admit that they  gave free money to everyone who isn't rich regardless of whether or not they're white.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 13, 2021, 03:47:14 PM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.

Are these the same people who don't want you to be able to do anything until you get a vaccine and are also giving free money to everyone unless you're white? Hmmm...

Even you have to  admit that they  gave free money to everyone who isn't rich regardless of whether or not they're white.

Yeah we got our stimmies but we're locked outta the big reparations payout that isn't actually happening.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Shasarak on April 13, 2021, 04:45:23 PM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.

Are these the same people who don't want you to be able to do anything until you get a vaccine and are also giving free money to everyone unless you're white? Hmmm...

Even you have to  admit that they  gave free money to everyone who isn't rich regardless of whether or not they're white.

Yeah we got our stimmies but we're locked outta the big reparations payout that isn't actually happening.

I self identify as a black american slave so just have to sit back and wait for that sweet sweet reparation money to roll in.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 13, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
If looks like they’re taking another step towards a list of “these are the pre-approved animes you can talk about.” They’ve locked down a thread because it looks like they’ve issued a ban for a user’s action that they said they would not issue bans over. See ultimate chicken’s post yesterday evening.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-future-discussion-of-anime-manga-japanese-vg-material.877180/page-5

BcAugust54 is a relatively new mod, but loves to ban folks for badthink.

At this point if TBP was honest with itself it’d just ban anime discussion from the site. If the users were honest with themselves they’d give up trying to discuss anime and move on to other forums.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DocJones on April 13, 2021, 05:36:52 PM
...without the purple people where would we have a source for half the sex crimes in the RPG industry?
I think you are low-balling it.  It's much closer to ninety percent.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 13, 2021, 05:39:50 PM
...without the purple people where would we have a source for half the sex crimes in the RPG industry?
I think you are low-balling it.  It's much closer to ninety percent.

Better to under than overestimate here, never know when people on other sites of record will start spewing their shit.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 13, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Follow up question. Did Dan have his account deleted, something TBP claims is impossible? Because I couldn't find any forum posts by the dude, just references to reviews.

Checked myself. Looks like all his posts are now under the name "Guest"

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/comic-in-the-pit-1-reviewed-by-dan-davenport-3-3.202385/post-4211843
That's true for all the comments on old reviews, it's not specific to any one user. It's a relic of a forum/review upgrade.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Wildstar on April 13, 2021, 06:24:43 PM
That's true for all the comments on old reviews, it's not specific to any one user. It's a relic of a forum/review upgrade.
Yeah, I dug more and noticed - hence the comment I found a really old post.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 13, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2021, 07:56:37 PM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 13, 2021, 08:13:03 PM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 14, 2021, 06:46:15 AM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.
There is simply too money to be made. Just look at Hollywood: once China became the second most important market for movies they are twisting scripts into surrealism just to insert a heroic token chinese character/institution in any plot.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on April 14, 2021, 09:08:31 AM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.

Straight up underpant gnomes level of thinking.

Step 1 -- allow the Chinese to steal our IP
Step 2 -- ??????
Step 3 -- Profit!
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: RandyB on April 14, 2021, 09:35:12 AM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.

Straight up underpant gnomes level of thinking.

Step 1 -- allow the Chinese to steal our IP
Step 2 -- ??????
Step 3 -- Profit!

Those who allowed the IP theft profited by allowing it, at least. Largely because they weren't the IP holders, so the graft they received was pure profit.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: shuddemell on April 14, 2021, 10:06:11 AM
I was going back through the 'do not post in support of Trump' thread.

Holy shit, the delusions. They were all absolutely convinced Trump was going to send troops to start dragging everyone who wasn't white and heterosexual off to the death camps.

Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.

Are these the same people who don't want you to be able to do anything until you get a vaccine and are also giving free money to everyone unless you're white? Hmmm...

Even you have to  admit that they  gave free money to everyone who isn't rich regardless of whether or not they're white.

No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 14, 2021, 10:55:06 AM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.

It's actually a libertarian thinking. Applauded by the commies and the establishment that wanted to make money by selling your country to the CCP.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2021, 11:27:17 AM
Back on track here. Alban cops a thirty-day ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/alban-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-dont-pm-a-mod-about-redtext.880033/

This is under what I like to call the 'no backtalk!' rule TBP has. You're not allowed to plead or argue your case directly, instead appealing by sending an email to an account that may get read eventually (the mods say it gets checked in a timely fashion, but considering their behavior and actions I'm unconvinced).

A thirty day for someone who's been there since 2002, and has no infractions listed (at least as far back as February 2012, which is as far back as the current Infractions board goes). Wow. The mandarins really don't like it when the proles argue with them. And people pay money for this site?

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 14, 2021, 12:08:50 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 14, 2021, 12:11:08 PM
Back on track here. Alban cops a thirty-day ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/alban-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-dont-pm-a-mod-about-redtext.880033/

This is under what I like to call the 'no backtalk!' rule TBP has. You're not allowed to plead or argue your case directly, instead appealing by sending an email to an account that may get read eventually (the mods say it gets checked in a timely fashion, but considering their behavior and actions I'm unconvinced).

A thirty day for someone who's been there since 2002, and has no infractions listed (at least as far back as February 2012, which is as far back as the current Infractions board goes). Wow. The mandarins really don't like it when the proles argue with them. And people pay money for this site?

So...he is banned for a month because he sent a PM to a mod? Wtf is wrong with these clowns?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
Back on track here. Alban cops a thirty-day ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/alban-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-dont-pm-a-mod-about-redtext.880033/

This is under what I like to call the 'no backtalk!' rule TBP has. You're not allowed to plead or argue your case directly, instead appealing by sending an email to an account that may get read eventually (the mods say it gets checked in a timely fashion, but considering their behavior and actions I'm unconvinced).

A thirty day for someone who's been there since 2002, and has no infractions listed (at least as far back as February 2012, which is as far back as the current Infractions board goes). Wow. The mandarins really don't like it when the proles argue with them. And people pay money for this site?

So...he is banned for a month because he sent a PM to a mod? Wtf is wrong with these clowns?
Again, this is the 'no backtalk' rule.

In theory I can see why. Nobody wants to deal with several PMs from Joe Dipshit arguing about how he wasn't being creepy, stupid, or rude. But the mods come off as perpetually arrogant and contemptuous -- hence repeated complaints about snark and casual 'from the hip' bans.

They do not like when someone questions them. And they have an inflated idea of their own importance in the world.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godfather Punk on April 14, 2021, 01:28:08 PM
Their Backstage Anthem goes something like this:

Quote
...
Tell me your sins, I'll be your friend
I won't do you in
All I need's a little more Power
Power, power, power, power, power ...
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2021, 01:49:22 PM

Yep. The context is that I had gotten a previous ban for "Reconquista Apologia" because I pointed out that Christians didn't (and don't) exactly have the best time under Islamic rule in a thread that started about St. Nicholas and Black Piet. Considering one of my seminary classmates (an Anglican priest) no longer lives in Pakistan because he was afraid for his wife and daughters, I have reasons to be salty on the topic.

Of course, if I wanted to indulge in actual Reconquista Apologia, I'd talk about how badly English-language historiography on the reemergence of Spain has been warped by anti-Catholic prejudice stemming from the Tudors and the Stuarts.
Scythe, got a question. I was fiddling around, and meant to ask you: your account name got renamed to 'Redacted Account'. What was that about? I know the mods have pushed back against GDPR enforcement (with people trying to have their accounts removed from the website).
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 14, 2021, 02:27:13 PM
Back on track here. Alban cops a thirty-day ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/alban-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-dont-pm-a-mod-about-redtext.880033/

This is under what I like to call the 'no backtalk!' rule TBP has. You're not allowed to plead or argue your case directly, instead appealing by sending an email to an account that may get read eventually (the mods say it gets checked in a timely fashion, but considering their behavior and actions I'm unconvinced).

A thirty day for someone who's been there since 2002, and has no infractions listed (at least as far back as February 2012, which is as far back as the current Infractions board goes). Wow. The mandarins really don't like it when the proles argue with them. And people pay money for this site?
I have never had a response from admin when I questioned a mod action. I’ve not seen anyone else get a response. I believe it basically functions as a bottomless pit.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on April 14, 2021, 06:49:17 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I had/have a middle class lifestyle in the rural south making that kind of money. Wife doesn't work either.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: horsesoldier on April 14, 2021, 06:51:40 PM
Wonder if they're talking about China's treatment of Uyghurs or the current border crisis in Tangency now.
In all fairness the treatment of Uyghurs is a shameful matter. But since no oil in the region is involved and a lot of $$$s are overall involved in the commerce with China, I don't think that we will hear "Let's free the good guys and punish the baddies!! Rah!! Rah!!-Iraq 2003 cover" any soon.
Probably not, but there are options aside from 'level Beijing with tactical nukes and then invade'. Yanking China's most favored nation trading status might be a good start.
MFN was something we shouldn’t have given them to begin with. The idea that opening up the market economies to China would result in democratization is some kind of perversted Marxist thinking.

Straight up underpant gnomes level of thinking.

Step 1 -- allow the Chinese to steal our IP
Step 2 -- ??????
Step 3 -- Profit!

Those who allowed the IP theft profited by allowing it, at least. Largely because they weren't the IP holders, so the graft they received was pure profit.

Tech companies in particular have straight up had their IP stolen by the Chinese. Huawei didn't develop their own hardly anything. It was forgiven all for a promise of mainland market access in 5 years or so.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2021, 09:54:52 PM
Back on track here. Alban cops a thirty-day ban.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/alban-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-dont-pm-a-mod-about-redtext.880033/

This is under what I like to call the 'no backtalk!' rule TBP has. You're not allowed to plead or argue your case directly, instead appealing by sending an email to an account that may get read eventually (the mods say it gets checked in a timely fashion, but considering their behavior and actions I'm unconvinced).

A thirty day for someone who's been there since 2002, and has no infractions listed (at least as far back as February 2012, which is as far back as the current Infractions board goes). Wow. The mandarins really don't like it when the proles argue with them. And people pay money for this site?
I have never had a response from admin when I questioned a mod action. I’ve not seen anyone else get a response. I believe it basically functions as a bottomless pit.
Something else: the mods have straight up stated they won't accept third party inquiries or appeals. In other words, if you attempt to intercede or offer additional testimony, it'll be ignored.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: shuddemell on April 15, 2021, 01:58:51 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I live pretty well, certainly middle class, on that amount of money in Oklahoma. However I am far from rich, or even upper middle class. That 80K is the cut off point for stimulus now (150K for married couples)... but the notion that the stimulus is a life changer or even a month's bills for most of us is ridiculous... though it can get to useful levels if you have lots of kids or dependents. We have a guy at work here with 10 kids, so that was a 14K stimulus for him, his wife and their brood.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on April 15, 2021, 08:13:09 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I live pretty well, certainly middle class, on that amount of money in Oklahoma. However I am far from rich, or even upper middle class. That 80K is the cut off point for stimulus now (150K for married couples)... but the notion that the stimulus is a life changer or even a month's bills for most of us is ridiculous... though it can get to useful levels if you have lots of kids or dependents. We have a guy at work here with 10 kids, so that was a 14K stimulus for him, his wife and their brood.

Greetings!

Yeah, 80K/year is an excellent income, just about anywhere. Depending on how good you are at staying debt free, and keeping your monthly expenses to a minimum, you can live like a *king*.

When I was first working in sales, years ago now, I was netting just over a thousand a week after expenses. I had more money than I knew what to do with, and I was making *less than* 80K/year. Fine clothes, restaurants, hotels, weekend parties for 20-30 people, weekend getaways up the coast, plus building regular savings every week in my accounts, there really wasn't much that I couldn't easily afford to do. You add a girlfriend or wife on top of that where she makes a similar income in the 50K-80K/year range, and your lifestyle is non-stop fun and growing progress.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 15, 2021, 10:54:59 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I live pretty well, certainly middle class, on that amount of money in Oklahoma. However I am far from rich, or even upper middle class. That 80K is the cut off point for stimulus now (150K for married couples)... but the notion that the stimulus is a life changer or even a month's bills for most of us is ridiculous... though it can get to useful levels if you have lots of kids or dependents. We have a guy at work here with 10 kids, so that was a 14K stimulus for him, his wife and their brood.

The stimulus combined with unemployment no questions asked and boosted unemployment and no evictions has hurt employers of lower end pay scale people.  I have a friend who need warehouse folks and he just can't find anyone who wants to work for $15 and hour. They make more than that unemployed.  I don't know how that's all going to work out longer them but it's like having a dungeon crawl and the fighter stays home.  I mean everyone limps along but it's really distorted.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 15, 2021, 10:58:17 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I live pretty well, certainly middle class, on that amount of money in Oklahoma. However I am far from rich, or even upper middle class. That 80K is the cut off point for stimulus now (150K for married couples)... but the notion that the stimulus is a life changer or even a month's bills for most of us is ridiculous... though it can get to useful levels if you have lots of kids or dependents. We have a guy at work here with 10 kids, so that was a 14K stimulus for him, his wife and their brood.

The stimulus combined with unemployment no questions asked and boosted unemployment and no evictions has hurt employers of lower end pay scale people.  I have a friend who need warehouse folks and he just can't find anyone who wants to work for $15 and hour. They make more than that unemployed.  I don't know how that's all going to work out longer them but it's like having a dungeon crawl and the fighter stays home.  I mean everyone limps along but it's really distorted.

That's fine, small business owners are bad for employees.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godsmonkey on April 16, 2021, 07:44:35 AM
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The stimulus combined with unemployment no questions asked and boosted unemployment and no evictions has hurt employers of lower end pay scale people.  I have a friend who need warehouse folks and he just can't find anyone who wants to work for $15 and hour. They make more than that unemployed.  I don't know how that's all going to work out longer them but it's like having a dungeon crawl and the fighter stays home.  I mean everyone limps along but it's really distorted.

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That's fine, small business owners are bad for employees.

Thanks for the input Mr Bezos.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 16, 2021, 08:09:40 AM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money. They can keep the drive-thru running with minimal staff, but that's it. Said it's happening to all the fast food restaurants in the area.

Same with a friend who works in another industry with lots of low-wage workers, and travels around the country. They normally have people who call them constantly looking for work, but now those same people won't even answer the phone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Godsmonkey on April 16, 2021, 09:03:41 AM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money. They can keep the drive-thru running with minimal staff, but that's it. Said it's happening to all the fast food restaurants in the area.

Same with a friend who works in another industry with lots of low-wage workers, and travels around the country. They normally have people who call them constantly looking for work, but now those same people won't even answer the phone.

Even here in Florida, where everything is opened, it's the same issue, people don't want to work when they can suck off big government teat.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 16, 2021, 09:23:10 AM
I've been out of work since last year. Got laid off about mid-summer. My unemployment got extended with Covid benefits, increased with the latest stimulus, and there are no job search requirements until further notice. My state is at phase 3 lockdowns, with a few counties returning to phase 2.

I've done some looking for work, I wouldn't turn a job offer down if it was around my pay rate and in my field, but if the government wants to give me money to stay home, that's their decision. I feel not one whit guilty about it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 16, 2021, 09:48:13 AM
Clown world accelerating at an astounding rate! How long before the US becomes 100% communist? Five years?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 16, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
Thanks for the input Mr Bezos.

Average lower pay, fewer benefits, exemptions from labor law requirements bc of size, harder to unionize if you're into that kinda thing. Small businesses are a shit deal for anyone but the owner.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 16, 2021, 12:03:11 PM
I've been out of work since last year. Got laid off about mid-summer. My unemployment got extended with Covid benefits, increased with the latest stimulus, and there are no job search requirements until further notice. My state is at phase 3 lockdowns, with a few counties returning to phase 2.

I've done some looking for work, I wouldn't turn a job offer down if it was around my pay rate and in my field, but if the government wants to give me money to stay home, that's their decision. I feel not one whit guilty about it.

But the dignity, man, what about the dignity.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Reckall on April 16, 2021, 12:44:30 PM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money.
How much do they get? Enough to live without a job for one year?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 16, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money.
How much do they get? Enough to live without a job for one year?

It would be interesting to see how many of the people in this position are only finding it viable because they're still living with, or have moved back in with, family members with better status.  If you don't have to worry about rent, property taxes or maintenance fees I imagine what constitutes a "living salary" can drop quite considerably.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 16, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money.
How much do they get? Enough to live without a job for one year?
You'd have to look up the details and it varies, but the people I talked to says it's roughly the same amount as they made at these jobs pre-pandemic. So it's a choice between working for money, or not working... for the same money.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 16, 2021, 01:44:11 PM
What sorts of jobs, specifically? I ask because there were a lot of restaurants around here that have opened up 100%, the usual employees. I do some side work for one of them, the owner told me that a couple servers came back even though they could sit on their ass and collect a paycheck because it nowhere near came close to what they'd actually make with good tips. I guess the lazy pothead types just need enough to smoke out and buy cheetos.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 16, 2021, 01:52:36 PM
Recently talked to a manager at a fast food joint, he said they opened and shut back down, because nobody wants to work when they can get government money.
How much do they get? Enough to live without a job for one year?

My understanding is the breakeven is roughly $16/hr.  If you make more than that then it makes sense to work.  Less and you make more staying home.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 16, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
What sorts of jobs, specifically? I ask because there were a lot of restaurants around here that have opened up 100%, the usual employees. I do some side work for one of them, the owner told me that a couple servers came back even though they could sit on their ass and collect a paycheck because it nowhere near came close to what they'd actually make with good tips. I guess the lazy pothead types just need enough to smoke out and buy cheetos.
I specifically mentioned McDonald's, and the rest are similar. Not minimum wage workers because nobody in my area makes minimum wage, but close. Typically in the $10-12 range I'd guess.

I'd be curious if your friend has problems staffing the back end. The tip culture tends to excessively reward the wait staff like servers and bartenders, but not the support staff like busboys or chefs. Especially given the pent-up demand, I can see tips being huge, but the rest of the staff might find it more economical to stay home. Really depends on the wages. Middle or higher tier places probably don't feel as much of a crunch.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: DELETE THIS on April 16, 2021, 03:36:05 PM
I specifically mentioned McDonald's, and the rest are similar. Not minimum wage workers because nobody in my area makes minimum wage, but close. Typically in the $10-12 range I'd guess.

I'd be curious if your friend has problems staffing the back end. The tip culture tends to excessively reward the wait staff like servers and bartenders, but not the support staff like busboys or chefs. Especially given the pent-up demand, I can see tips being huge, but the rest of the staff might find it more economical to stay home. Really depends on the wages. Middle or higher tier places probably don't feel as much of a crunch.

His restaurant requires splitting amongst all the staff, and he also pays pretty well, but I can ask next time I see him. And yeah, this is a higher-end place with a super nice bar next door he also runs, always super packed, so that probably has a lot to do with it. I sure as fuck wouldn't show up to flip burgers at Wendy's if I could make the same amount watching cartoons, but then again I wouldn't be satisfied with such a minimal amount of money in the first place.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 16, 2021, 08:11:30 PM
His restaurant requires splitting amongst all the staff, and he also pays pretty well, but I can ask next time I see him. And yeah, this is a higher-end place with a super nice bar next door he also runs, always super packed, so that probably has a lot to do with it. I sure as fuck wouldn't show up to flip burgers at Wendy's if I could make the same amount watching cartoons, but then again I wouldn't be satisfied with such a minimal amount of money in the first place.
The tip splitting and being relatively high end really changes the dynamic. It's the low-end jobs that are affected. The government has effectively entered the market as a competitor for businesses looking to fill the bottom tier of jobs, except it's paying for doing nothing instead of work, so it's taking away all the workers and significantly raising the cost of hiring replacements. Which means businesses that rely on those jobs are hurt, and have to cut services, raise prices, or go out of business. Which in turn hurts the people who rely on those business, which are not the rich. Your friend will probably benefit, because when the bottom is squeezed, the mid and high end benefits.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Mishihari on April 16, 2021, 09:22:22 PM
No, actually they didn't. Unless you consider making over 80K rich.

$80k won't even get you a middle-class lifestyle in the rural south, much less on the coasts...but for some reason people who think working fries at McDonalds is a "career" also think anyone making six figures is driving a Bentley to their helipad.

I live pretty well, certainly middle class, on that amount of money in Oklahoma. However I am far from rich, or even upper middle class. That 80K is the cut off point for stimulus now (150K for married couples)... but the notion that the stimulus is a life changer or even a month's bills for most of us is ridiculous... though it can get to useful levels if you have lots of kids or dependents. We have a guy at work here with 10 kids, so that was a 14K stimulus for him, his wife and their brood.

The stimulus combined with unemployment no questions asked and boosted unemployment and no evictions has hurt employers of lower end pay scale people.  I have a friend who need warehouse folks and he just can't find anyone who wants to work for $15 and hour. They make more than that unemployed.  I don't know how that's all going to work out longer them but it's like having a dungeon crawl and the fighter stays home.  I mean everyone limps along but it's really distorted.

That's fine, small business owners are bad for employees.

This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 16, 2021, 09:23:53 PM
It's worse than just competing at the low end.  So let's say you are a company with a mix of low, mid and high income jobs.  The distortion at the low end means to get a guy to shovel a sidewalk suddenly went from $12/hour to $16+.  The guy making $18/he suddenly says "hey I'm more than $2/hr more skilled than the guy shovelling! I want $22/hr." And so on up the chain.  Suddenly you have straight inflation with no value add as everything just artificially increases by $X/hr with no productivity increases to justify it. 

Whatever you are doing right now, cash is not what you want to be holding.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 16, 2021, 10:42:54 PM
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: moonsweeper on April 16, 2021, 11:05:52 PM
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.

People keep using this phrase...and I really don't think they know what it actually means.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 16, 2021, 11:36:42 PM
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.

Intervention by the Federal Government on wages for no work is almost literally the opposite of a free market.  Now the US has almost never been a truly free market because we have regulations and minimum wages, tariffs etc but propping up the entire bottom of the labor market with essential a free years worth of money for doing nothing is in no way an example of the free market, cannot last because we can't keep going into debt to provide it and is doing damage.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 16, 2021, 11:44:37 PM
Fuck it, man. If the gobmint is dumb enough to destroy the economy, I'm just going to make sure I'm took care of. I'll take their free money until the system collapses.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 16, 2021, 11:46:55 PM
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.

Intervention by the Federal Government on wages for no work is almost literally the opposite of a free market.  Now the US has almost never been a truly free market because we have regulations and minimum wages, tariffs etc but propping up the entire bottom of the labor market with essential a free years worth of money for doing nothing is in no way an example of the free market, cannot last because we can't keep going into debt to provide it and is doing damage.
If you just say free market enough when things go wrong people will eventually associate everything bad with the free market and hey words like socialism might not look so bad anymore.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 17, 2021, 12:18:42 AM
People keep using this phrase...and I really don't think they know what it actually means.

Yeah but when I tell people about the market where you get free things people think I'm making shit up. It was real that night, I know it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Bunch on April 17, 2021, 12:28:17 AM
This is why we need a roll-eyes smiley.

Look, this is simple economics.  If doing nothing were better for the small business employees, then they would be doing that.  (and many in the pandemic are, as has been mentioned)  If they could have a better job they would.  Therefor, by their own choice, they they have proven that their small business job is good for them.  That's the beauty of a free economy, people are free to maximize their own outcome.  They don't need some socialist pseudo-intellectual to order their life for them or tell them that their choices are wrong.  The Soviet Union tried that and we all saw how well that went.

And I don't think you understand the nature of small business.  It includes McDonalds, franchises, yes, but many McDonald's are company owned, which of course is anything but a small business.  And many small businesses are medical practices, IT shops, accounting firms, and so on.  None of those pay minimum wages to skilled employees.

The market does not bear a roll-eyes smiley but it bears people subsidized to stay home right now, which some people here are whining about, maybe talk to them about how that is the free market right now and not "sucking at government teat" when those lips should be reserved for Daddy Boss-Man.

And there is a multiplicity of small business types, much to think about, so it's a good thing I said lower average wages, which is true, and every wage, which is not.

Intervention by the Federal Government on wages for no work is almost literally the opposite of a free market.  Now the US has almost never been a truly free market because we have regulations and minimum wages, tariffs etc but propping up the entire bottom of the labor market with essential a free years worth of money for doing nothing is in no way an example of the free market, cannot last because we can't keep going into debt to provide it and is doing damage.
If you just say free market enough when things go wrong people will eventually associate everything bad with the free market and hey words like socialism might not look so bad anymore.

Sort of like if you say "Tax the rich" and "socialism" together enough people won't realize the tax rate on the middle and lower class in most countries with moderate socialist elements are well above the 0-10% rate many here in the US pay. 
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 19, 2021, 10:09:57 AM
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-teenage-girl-little-village-shooting-20210416-ohgmkw3bcjgwdjhlfwpmuykhim-story.html) are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.

Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 10:51:34 AM
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-teenage-girl-little-village-shooting-20210416-ohgmkw3bcjgwdjhlfwpmuykhim-story.html) are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.

That mod has seemed the worst lately for punishing crimethink. Last week the mod issued a ban in an anime thread that violated what the mods had promised on how they would not moderate. One of the users pointed this out quite well:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-future-discussion-of-anime-manga-japanese-vg-material.877180/page-5#post-23837223

Causing CrazyIvan to quickly lock the thread while the mods “held discussions” backstage to discuss the issue. It’s been a week for the struggle sessions to occur, but no response yet from the mods.

I suspect they really are having a hard time coming up with a response. The other mods might be afraid to admit that Bcaugust54 broke their own commitments to the community, and any such discussions are probably along the lines of:
1. Why didn’t we memoryhole the guidelines we gave the anime community BEFORE whipping out the banhammer?
2. Why did we ever put in writing any kind of guidelines at all that we could be held to account for?
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 19, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
(violently yanks the thread back on track here)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/winterland-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-thirty-day-ban-racist-dogwhistles-in-a-game-thread.880209/

Today I learned that it is racist dogwhistling to point out that people can make errors in literally split-second decisions, and that it's completely irrelevant that a 13 year old with the moniker of 'Baby Homicide' might've been involved in shooting at cars.

But then, some victims (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-teenage-girl-little-village-shooting-20210416-ohgmkw3bcjgwdjhlfwpmuykhim-story.html) are more equal than others. And it's all about propping up a narrative.

I hope Bcaugust54 gets raging crotchrot, though.

That mod has seemed the worst lately for punishing crimethink. Last week the mod issued a ban in an anime thread that violated what the mods had promised on how they would not moderate. One of the users pointed this out quite well:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-future-discussion-of-anime-manga-japanese-vg-material.877180/page-5#post-23837223

Causing CrazyIvan to quickly lock the thread while the mods “held discussions” backstage to discuss the issue. It’s been a week for the struggle sessions to occur, but no response yet from the mods.

I suspect they really are having a hard time coming up with a response. The real other mods might be afraid to admit that Bcaugust54 broke their own commitments to the community, and any such discussions are probably along the lines of:
1. Why didn’t we memoryhole the guidelines we gave the anime community BEFORE whipping out the banhammer?
2. Why did we ever put in writing any kind of guidelines at all that we could be held to account for?
It'll be interesting to see what kind of pretzel they tie themselves into.

I mean, if I'd just paid money in for a membership where the mods contradict themselves that badly, I'd be thinking about getting my money back.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 11:15:05 AM
Mangled double post. Stupid phone.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 19, 2021, 01:48:12 PM
(snip)
Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 02:26:33 PM
(snip)
Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 19, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
(snip)
Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: rgalex on April 19, 2021, 03:03:45 PM
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 04:55:38 PM
(snip)
Dunno what happened there, wmarshal, but you double posted the same thing.

Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.
The A-game tag should be taken as the equivalent that the thread should be treated the same as Two Minutes of Hate. If you do anything in the thread counter to the “Two Minutes of Hate”/A-Game a ban will be administered. Such threads are not for discussion, but accusations and confessions instead.

It’ll be interesting to see just how long it will take for the mods to actually reply to the user that Bcaugust54 broke the guidance the anime community was given in issuing the ban. I’m going to go with never, and they’ll probably ask Ultimate Chicken to drop the matter altogether. Better to keep the users on pins and needles than give them any boundaries they can reasonably rely on.
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).
What you suggest would be reasonable, but it would also admit that the Party was incorrect. The Party is never incorrect, only certain facts are incorrect until the party corrects the facts.

To the mods minds if the users at Big Purple are going to love Big Purple then the users have to trust that Big Purple is never really wrong.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Pat on April 19, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.
Never ascribe to Machiavellian tactics what can adequately explained by not wanting to deal with something.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
The wise decision regarding the anime ban would be to reverse the infraction and clarify any change in the rules for future posts, giving amnesty to any prior posts which might fall afoul of the new rule (ex post facto).

But I think you're right. I think they'll sit on it and hope the whole issue goes away.

They have done it before.  Before I got banned there was a dust up in a comic book thread.  We were told the mods would discuss it back stage and get back to us and to not talk about the topic that caused the issue in the mean time.  A month went by and I politely asked if there had been any movement on the discussion.  They responded with the typical "we're unpaid volunteers that have lives outside this forum," reply.  They never did make a decision about it.
I’m 99% convinced the ambiguity in moderation is just a means to a goal of having their users scared. The excuse they give about being outside volunteers with outside lives really doesn’t hold water when over a month has passed by. When they have a new target or new topic they’re eager to start issuing bans on they don’t wait for weeks of discussion as to how they want to handle it. It’s when they have to consider they made a mistake that they go into hibernation.
Never ascribe to Machiavellian tactics what can adequately explained by not wanting to deal with something.
That’s probably true most of the time, but in this case (and others) Big Purple positively decided they wanted to deal with something. In cases where the mods seem to be following personal agendas and/or get found violating the rules they set up they go to ground as a community. It’s too regular a response to just be apathy. They set up A-Game threads in theory to encourage users to participate in discussion, but they’re really just rallies for specific approved views on the topic. They specifically say they don’t want users to wear hair shirts and give denunciations of shows, but when a user does mentions a disapproves show they catch a ban even though they made no defense of the show other than it was fun trash, no apologia.

The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 06:23:39 PM
The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.

If the choice is that or the faction that wound up in the Middle East I know which one I prefer.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 19, 2021, 09:45:25 PM
The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.

If the choice is that or the faction that wound up in the Middle East I know which one I prefer.
I don’t really think choosing either faction went well for the participants. Most of those who went to the Middle East either got killed, or have been caught and imprisoned to long terms. The fee that remain loose live on essentially exiled from Japan always having to watch their backs. They either realize that the terror they committed wound up being fruitless despite the lives murdered, or are incapable of any kind of introspection of their lives…personally, I’d consider not being able to understand the horrors I committed to be worse than at least being humane enough to have a conscience.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 19, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
Yeah but they're one airport massacre up on the ones that beat each other to death so a win in the long run. #goals
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 11:17:53 AM
That’s probably true most of the time, but in this case (and others) Big Purple positively decided they wanted to deal with something. In cases where the mods seem to be following personal agendas and/or get found violating the rules they set up they go to ground as a community. It’s too regular a response to just be apathy. They set up A-Game threads in theory to encourage users to participate in discussion, but they’re really just rallies for specific approved views on the topic. They specifically say they don’t want users to wear hair shirts and give denunciations of shows, but when a user does mentions a disapproves show they catch a ban even though they made no defense of the show other than it was fun trash, no apologia.

The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.
Hell, they were bitching at their userbase for not reporting one thread for wrong think.

The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

But then, I guess TBP's fem mods are delicate crystal and can't take much in the way of criticism.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: wmarshal on April 20, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
That’s probably true most of the time, but in this case (and others) Big Purple positively decided they wanted to deal with something. In cases where the mods seem to be following personal agendas and/or get found violating the rules they set up they go to ground as a community. It’s too regular a response to just be apathy. They set up A-Game threads in theory to encourage users to participate in discussion, but they’re really just rallies for specific approved views on the topic. They specifically say they don’t want users to wear hair shirts and give denunciations of shows, but when a user does mentions a disapproves show they catch a ban even though they made no defense of the show other than it was fun trash, no apologia.

The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.
Hell, they were bitching at their userbase for not reporting one thread for wrong think.

The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

But then, I guess TBP's fem mods are delicate crystal and can't take much in the way of criticism.
CAN they handle criticism? I actually believe that they could. I refuse to believe that half or more the population can’t handle criticism. However, the blanket Holdo policy gives them a weapon to be used at their discretion. Also gives male mods a means to white knight.

They already had tools/guidelines to use if anyone started calling their mods insults or engaged in visible sexism. But by making the -isms systemic in people’s heads they can inflict paranoia that all people are secret sinners without even knowing it. The Holdo policy is one means by which they can declare anyone who gives any kind of pushback to a mod as a sinner, and it doesn’t matter if you knew the mod was female or not. I think they did the to someone recently who claimed he was a “social justice wolf” (more likely a wolf in sheep’s clothing) when the mod (a female it seems) he interacted with used the “they/them” pronouns. So “they/them” can apparently be considered gendered pronouns when it suits the mods.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on April 20, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
That’s probably true most of the time, but in this case (and others) Big Purple positively decided they wanted to deal with something. In cases where the mods seem to be following personal agendas and/or get found violating the rules they set up they go to ground as a community. It’s too regular a response to just be apathy. They set up A-Game threads in theory to encourage users to participate in discussion, but they’re really just rallies for specific approved views on the topic. They specifically say they don’t want users to wear hair shirts and give denunciations of shows, but when a user does mentions a disapproves show they catch a ban even though they made no defense of the show other than it was fun trash, no apologia.

The mods at Big Purple are in a cult. One can only hope they live far enough from each other that that would limit their ability to have in person struggle sessions where they start beating each other to death like the Japanese United Red Army did before they collapsed.
Hell, they were bitching at their userbase for not reporting one thread for wrong think.

The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).

But then, I guess TBP's fem mods are delicate crystal and can't take much in the way of criticism.

Greetings!

It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical. I've seen this happen so many times in person with debates. Women don't like being challenged, and especially not with an absolute juggernaut of history, facts, evidence, and logic. Their cheeks flush, they start breathing hard. Then they raise their voices. Then they start screaming. Then the tears come, and the sobbing. Their arguments crumble into the goo of shouting that you are a misogynist, a warmonger, and a heartless brute and tyrant. It is always so pathetically predictable. Women typically only keep a level tone and smile, and seem sweet as long as you agree with them, or submit to them, and kiss their ass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: This Guy on April 20, 2021, 03:16:33 PM
Greetings!

It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical. I've seen this happen so many times in person with debates. Women don't like being challenged, and especially not with an absolute juggernaut of history, facts, evidence, and logic. Their cheeks flush, they start breathing hard. Then they raise their voices. Then they start screaming. Then the tears come, and the sobbing. Their arguments crumble into the goo of shouting that you are a misogynist, a warmonger, and a heartless brute and tyrant. It is always so pathetically predictable. Women typically only keep a level tone and smile, and seem sweet as long as you agree with them, or submit to them, and kiss their ass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Dames amirite
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 04:02:01 PM

Greetings!

It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical. I've seen this happen so many times in person with debates. Women don't like being challenged, and especially not with an absolute juggernaut of history, facts, evidence, and logic. Their cheeks flush, they start breathing hard. Then they raise their voices. Then they start screaming. Then the tears come, and the sobbing. Their arguments crumble into the goo of shouting that you are a misogynist, a warmonger, and a heartless brute and tyrant. It is always so pathetically predictable. Women typically only keep a level tone and smile, and seem sweet as long as you agree with them, or submit to them, and kiss their ass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Shark, I love you like a brother, but that was creepy as fuck.
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on April 20, 2021, 04:07:07 PM

Greetings!

It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical. I've seen this happen so many times in person with debates. Women don't like being challenged, and especially not with an absolute juggernaut of history, facts, evidence, and logic. Their cheeks flush, they start breathing hard. Then they raise their voices. Then they start screaming. Then the tears come, and the sobbing. Their arguments crumble into the goo of shouting that you are a misogynist, a warmonger, and a heartless brute and tyrant. It is always so pathetically predictable. Women typically only keep a level tone and smile, and seem sweet as long as you agree with them, or submit to them, and kiss their ass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Shark, I love you like a brother, but that was creepy as fuck.

Greetings!

My apologies, then. It wasn't intentional.

I was recalling observing the stages that women go through when debating them when they are challenged.

Again, though, my sincere apologies.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 20, 2021, 07:35:51 PM

Greetings!

It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical. I've seen this happen so many times in person with debates. Women don't like being challenged, and especially not with an absolute juggernaut of history, facts, evidence, and logic. Their cheeks flush, they start breathing hard. Then they raise their voices. Then they start screaming. Then the tears come, and the sobbing. Their arguments crumble into the goo of shouting that you are a misogynist, a warmonger, and a heartless brute and tyrant. It is always so pathetically predictable. Women typically only keep a level tone and smile, and seem sweet as long as you agree with them, or submit to them, and kiss their ass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Shark, I love you like a brother, but that was creepy as fuck.

Greetings!

My apologies, then. It wasn't intentional.

I was recalling observing the stages that women go through when debating them when they are challenged.

Again, though, my sincere apologies.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I grant that many women are quite capable of emotional manipulation. They kind of have to be -- play to your strengths, after all.

But there are plenty of women who seem to have a knack for psychological aikido. You'll find yourself agreeing with them and then wondering 'wait wut'. Mothers are very good at that sort of thing :)
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 20, 2021, 08:56:38 PM
It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical.
There's a misogynistic tone to this which doesn't surprise me, but isn't pleasant.

However, it brings up a wider point about how people approach conflicts. Rory Miller writes about this in A Writer's Guide to Violence. Basically the question is, how willing are you to do harm to achieve what you want?

Another way to look at the first 4 levels is that there is a tonic version, and a toxic version; manipulative is the toxic version of nice, and aggressive is the toxic version of assertive.

What Miller also points out is that people of level X will be a bit lost when dealing of someone of level X+1, and simply won't understand how they can be like that. Likewise, those of X+1 will have some contempt of those of level X. And this goes on up the levels.

The nice person will be overwhelmed by the manipulative person, who will be overwhelmed by the assertive person against whom their manipulations don't work. He also points out that this is the person's default. Even if the manipulative person could organise a "win-win", they'll try to organise a "win-lose" - because that's just how they are. Likewise, the assaultive person could organise things without smacking someone, but smacking people is just what they do.

We see this in lots of good fiction like Better Call Saul - in many situations it's not that he tries the honest (nice) way first and then if that fails he tries the dishonest (manipulative) way - he just goes straight for the manipulative way, every single time.

What Shark is describing is an assertive or aggressive person debating a manipulative or nice person. I would suggest - probably aggressive, because an assertive person doesn't try to win at the expense of others, it's an aggressive person who does that - toxic assertiveness. The delight he expresses at making someone cry or call him names is the same delight the assaultive person gets from breaking bones, or the murderous person from watching someone's eyes glaze over in death.

Of course, many people (especially males) like to imagine they're a level or two higher than they are, and the keyboard makes us all brave. A man who regularly berates women until they cry has probably got himself into trouble often. So it's probably happening more in imagination than reality.

Back on topic, rpg.net mods are without doubt manipulative. And so they have to eject anyone who's assertive. Nobody minds if they bin people who are aggressive ("Youse are all cunts!" "Bye."), assaultive or murderous (hard to do online, I suppose doxxing and swatting are the only ways, but that's manipulative more than anything, I'd say). But they can't bear assertive, because they're manipulative. It's like the assaultive person coming across a murderous one. Law-Abiding Citizen comes to mind. [/list]
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: SHARK on April 20, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Greetings!

Well, I did not intend to be unpleasant or offensive. As I mentioned--leading off from the commentary about mods being challenged--and especially *Women Mods*--it reminded me of how insulting, manipulative, hysterical, and mob-pandering women could be during debates I either participated in directly, or observed closely. When you didn't agree with them or otherwise kiss their ass, soon--the tears would flow, the hysterics would be turned up, and they would resort to calling you names--instead of maintaining their composure and decorum, and engaging with your argument in a respectful and coherent manner.

I saw and experienced plenty how women often react when challenged, and I didn't find their tactics pleasant, respectful, or appropriate in any way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 20, 2021, 09:35:25 PM
It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical.
There's a misogynistic tone to this which doesn't surprise me, but isn't pleasant.

And that's the lever that RPG.net moderation are using with their Holdo rule. people generally take more offense at aggressive attitudes when they're directed towards women. So play up the reaction and justify harsher moderation to "protect the wimmin folk!"
Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 20, 2021, 09:52:36 PM
    It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical.
    There's a misogynistic tone to this which doesn't surprise me, but isn't pleasant.



    Because wahmen can't ever be anything but wonderful right?

    The sexism is in believing women can't be just as nasty as men can, they can because they too are human.[/list]
    Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
    Post by: SHARK on April 20, 2021, 09:58:18 PM
    Greetings!

    I'm also reminded of during such formal college debates--the men were typically entirely different in debates than women. I should also say *Liberal Women*--as the few Conservative women generally did their homework, and, win or lose, conducted themselves very well in a formal debate. The *Liberal Women* would begin cool, pleasant, and seemingly collected. That façade soon faded, however, once you resisted strongly. Once you then proceeded to dismantle their arguments--whether on Family Law, Abortion, Gun Rights, US Foreign Policy, State Economic Policy, whatever--the nice, pleasant façade fell by the wayside. I saw it and experienced it so often, that I noticed a kind of pattern. It's almost like a predictable recipe. Use certain words, use a certain tone, make a particularly sharp analogy--and the *Liberal Women* would rapidly become entirely swept up in emotions and hysterics. Such hysterics were great for mob-pandering, and virtue-signaling, as it were--but routinely--and predictably--lost them the debate.

    It is that predictable hysteria, the toxic femininity attempting to manipulate the crowds around her--instead of debating in a respectful and professional manner--that I found a certain degree of humour in. I likened it to them being, well, like a snail. I had intended it in a humorous and instructive manner. That was my intention, in describing some of my experiences in regards to observing how many women respond when they are seriously challenged.

    Semper Fidelis,

    SHARK
    Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
    Post by: wmarshal on April 20, 2021, 10:13:47 PM
      It is especially fun to challenge women. Women are often like snails--once you crack through their outer shell of defenses, you can then plunge into the soft, gooey meat within. That's when the women collapse, start crying, or calling you names, and become entirely hysterical.
      (Snip)

      Back on topic, rpg.net mods are without doubt manipulative. And so they have to eject anyone who's assertive. Nobody minds if they bin people who are aggressive ("Youse are all cunts!" "Bye."), assaultive or murderous (hard to do online, I suppose doxxing and swatting are the only ways, but that's manipulative more than anything, I'd say). But they can't bear assertive, because they're manipulative. It's like the assaultive person coming across a murderous one. Law-Abiding Citizen comes to mind. [/list]
      That explanation does seem to fit in regards to the mods at Big Purple. When a user asserts themselves against mod abuse pointing to the written guidance the mods themselves provided they then try to avoid the subject altogether because they don’t know how to deal with it. Ultimate Chicken was assertive in questioning the ban Bcaugust54 gave out in contradiction to the rules they laid out. CrazyIvan put the conversation in hibernation because the mods don’t know how to deal with being called out on their manipulation. They’re probably praying Ultimate Chicken does something they can ban him for to make it easier to pretend the challenge to their manipulation never happened. At some point there will be another mod action against the anime community, and Ultimate Chicken will likely repeat his request for an explanation/clarification of the rules. He’ll get frustrated by the lengthy stonewalling and he’ll either “cross a line” and get permabanned, or drift away from Big Purple.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 21, 2021, 12:44:08 AM
      And that's the lever that RPG.net moderation are using with their Holdo rule. people generally take more offense at aggressive attitudes when they're directed towards women.
      Sure. But that's why I spent one sentence mentioning misogyny, and then several paragraphs laying out the aggressive level. And I think that's what's really going on in Shark's case - there's an aggressive way of resolving conflicts as the main meal, there's just a salt of misogyny.

      I doubt Shark's aggressive in person, he's more likely at the assertive level. Everyone amps things up a bit online. I think military training bumps most people up to assertive - certain any kind of combat training does. It's hard to practice bayonet training while being nice or merely manipulative. And the aggressive on up end up on a charge and eventually get binned. The military selects for assertive people - though a few manipulative ones end up officers.

      Quote from: GeekyBugle
      Because wahmen can't ever be anything but wonderful right?
      Not at all. Women often prefer the manipulative level rather than the assertive levels on up. As my son put it around 7yo, "boys are more aggressive but girls are more dramatic."

      Quote from: Shark
      I'm also reminded of during such formal college debates--the men were typically entirely different in debates than women. I should also say *Liberal Women*--as the few Conservative women generally did their homework, and, win or lose, conducted themselves very well in a formal debate. The *Liberal Women* would begin cool, pleasant, and seemingly collected. That façade soon faded, however, once you resisted strongly.
      I believe it. The left relies on manipulative people, and the right relies on assertive people. I do think there are differences between the genders and political sides, however it's more productive to view it through the lens of Miller's six levels of how willing someone is to use violence to resolve conflicts.
      Quote from: wmarshal
      That explanation does seem to fit in regards to the mods at Big Purple.
      I think it does. As I noted, the person at level X simply doesn't know what to do with someone at level X+1.  In person they have to learn to deal with it somehow, and if they can't, that's what reporting people to HR is for. Online they can form communities which exclude others.

      Again, gender, politics etc are issues. But I think the real issue is which level people are on with the nice to murderous scale. We can see this in that even people who post with the "right" politics at places like rpg.net can and do get banned if they post assertively or aggressively. I think nobody was really banned for their politics, they were banned for being assertive. Ever seen or read Remains of the Day? It's like the old English butler - everyone has to be terribly restrained and nice and nobody's allowed to have strong opinions on anything.

      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Litpho on April 21, 2021, 02:31:32 AM
      The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).
      Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

      What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

      Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2021, 08:12:00 AM
      The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).
      Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

      What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

      Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
      They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

      I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

      That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: DELETE THIS on April 21, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
      There's a misogynistic tone to this which doesn't surprise me, but isn't pleasant.

      "Misogyny" implies there are actually a group of people who are distinctly "women". Which is obviously not the case. You bigot.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 21, 2021, 11:20:02 AM
      The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).
      Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

      What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

      Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
      They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

      I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

      That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.
      They should probably just acknowledge that anime (if not Other Media as a whole) is not a topic they feel equipped to moderate. Instead have a rule similar to RPGPundit’s rule here about politics. Let their users discuss anime so long as it relates to gaming because they’re not equipped to allow the wide ranging anime discussions their anime interested users are wanting to have. I doubt they’ll do that because it would acknowledge a limitation to their cult’s effectiveness.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2021, 11:49:01 AM
      The whole concept they have of 'holdo-ing' (you're questioning this mod because they're female!) is absolutely insane. Many of the mods do not have any clear indication, in their avatar or name, that they are in fact female (I'm not even getting into trans people, that's another can o'worms).
      Some time ago, in an email to the admins, I did point out that there is a Gotcha! when a female mod does not present as such (which they aren't required to, don't get me wrong) but that femininity is then used to up the ban severity.

      What I got back was "female-presenting mods get more pushback than male-presenting mods". Which, while no doubt being true, doesn't really seem like an answer to my concern. At all.

      Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
      They have stated 'the onus is on the poster to be clear', which... is great, except that you can literally spell out your point in small words and people will still willfully misinterpret you and then go crying about your insensitivity.

      I think Shark's mistake is he's conflating 'women' with 'liberals'. Remember that leftist and wokeist thought relies heavily on appeals to emotions.

      That thread in TT that wmarshal referenced is still locked with no new postings. Guess they're having trouble emotionalizing (is that a word?) their way out of the figurative Chinese finger trap they've put their fingers into.
      They should probably just acknowledge that anime (if not Other Media as a whole) is not a topic they feel equipped to moderate. Instead have a rule similar to RPGPundit’s rule here about politics. Let their users discuss anime so long as it relates to gaming because they’re not equipped to allow the wide ranging anime discussions their anime interested users are wanting to have. I doubt they’ll do that because it would acknowledge a limitation to their cult’s effectiveness.
      You're assuming that pack of idiots is capable of rising to that standard.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Thorn Drumheller on April 21, 2021, 10:15:26 PM
      ....
      Basically, I stopped posting in any thread that I considered controversial because the mods have proven over and over again that they will assume the worst interpretation of what you said and hang you for it.
      [/quote]

      LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 08:10:56 AM
      LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.
      Which ties into the idea that at least some of those mods get their jollies from swinging the banhammer.

      They won't get the cheap thrill if they don't interpret everything in the worst possible light.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on April 22, 2021, 08:38:13 AM


      LOL. This. So true. I got a 30 day ban once and the mod who did it assumed so much incorrect information about me.

      I tried the not posting in an controversial thread topic for some time.  That made me pay attention to what was potentially controversial in order to apply the filter.  Doing that made me lose interest in conversing in that manner, which is how I gradually faded out before getting a ban.

      I guess the silver lining of leftist cultural dominance is that they've forced me multiple times to examine how I'm spending my time.  Frequently, I stop doing something they've contaminated and discover I really don't miss the thing and that I've got better things to do with my time.  Or maybe that is just me getting old. :D
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Omega on April 22, 2021, 11:03:02 AM
      Pretty much my problem over at BGG. As they became more openly hostile and it was revealed just how much they are covertly censoring. On top of the growing woke mob over there. Then giving an RPG admin position to someone who tried to dox me and hates RPGs. My interest dropped off sharply.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
      Jesus Christ.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

      Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: DELETE THIS on April 22, 2021, 01:47:23 PM
      Jesus Christ.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

      Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

      What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
      Jesus Christ.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

      Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

      What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?
      It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

      During the latter days of WW2, German manpower was so depleted that they were pressing old men and teenagers -- practically children -- into combat roles and positions. Some of them had to be killed by Allied soldiers. A lethal weapon is still a lethal weapon whether the wielder is 15 or 51.

      But the narrative is 'cop kills harmless teenager', not 'cop guns down lunatic trying to murder other people'.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: DELETE THIS on April 22, 2021, 02:11:33 PM
      It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

      Presenting actual information that is verifiable by simply watching a 20 second video = devils advocacy

      In other words, LALALALALAAL WE DON'T BELIEVE IT ALALALLAALALALLALAALALALLALAALALLALA

      This whole thing is tragic, yeah, but magically 15 is now an innocent child, even when they weigh more than a grown man and are about to shank someone in the gut.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: sureshot on April 22, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
      In any case with the bloodthirsty maniacs over at TBP. No outcome would satisfy them in any case. No matter what the police did they would still be blamed. It’s easy to be an armchair cop from the safety and anonymity of the screen and keyboard.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 22, 2021, 02:25:30 PM
      Jesus Christ.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

      Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

      What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?
      It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

      During the latter days of WW2, German manpower was so depleted that they were pressing old men and teenagers -- practically children -- into combat roles and positions. Some of them had to be killed by Allied soldiers. A lethal weapon is still a lethal weapon whether the wielder is 15 or 51.

      But the narrative is 'cop kills harmless teenager', not 'cop guns down lunatic trying to murder other people'.

      Yep. The cops didn't have time to politely ask for her age. This girl came running out of the house and went for the stab. They had a split second, and shot her before she could stick the other girl with a knife.
      Horrible situation, but as I've been saying on social media (for all the good that does) for the past day or so. "Don't stab people."
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 22, 2021, 07:46:16 PM
      It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

      Presenting actual information that is verifiable by simply watching a 20 second video = devils advocacy

      In other words, LALALALALAAL WE DON'T BELIEVE IT ALALALLAALALALLALAALALALLALAALALLALA

      This whole thing is tragic, yeah, but magically 15 is now an innocent child, even when they weigh more than a grown man and are about to shank someone in the gut.
      And now they shut that thread down too. Some of the users started referring to the actual footage that showed the shooting was justified. From the mod:

      “This thread is devolving into a discussion on the justification of the most recent police shooting so, I'm locking this thread for a few days. The mods need to time to figure out how to manage discussion on this in way that's sustainable for our sanity while allowing people to discuss a very important issue.”

      To the SJWs the potential of conceiving that the police could be justified in shooting a black person is taboo, a sin. Even if the black person shot was armed with a knife and in the act of swinging the blade to stab another black person who seemed to be just holding their dog. The Big Purple shows yet again they are a cult. The mods can’t allow their members hold discussions that may violate dogma.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: David Johansen on April 22, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
      Taking it back to the topic, they just gave Phil Masters a week ban for daring to suggest there's nothing wrong with the disadvantage "Slave Mentality."
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: This Guy on April 22, 2021, 08:36:44 PM
      Bad call on the cops part they had no legal obligation to intervene and not like they woulda made any money out of it.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 22, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
      Bad call on the cops part they had no legal obligation to intervene and not like they woulda made any money out of it.

      Yep. I don't blame any white cops if they want to wait until a situation is over and then just show up to take a report.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 22, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
      Bad call on the cops part they had no legal obligation to intervene and not like they woulda made any money out of it.

      Yep. I don't blame any white cops if they want to wait until a situation is over and then just show up to take a report.
      That could be a part of the reason why the numbers of homicides are up by roughly 3,000. The number of police involved homicides is down by about 300.

      Not every one of those 300 fewer police caused homicides would have been bad shoots either. I’d call losing 3,000 more people to murder so that we have a few hundred less politically fraught homicides a net loss. I agree there are some police are bad, and there can be improvements (there’s always the potential to improve since nothing on Earth is perfect), but turning the police as a whole into villains is a detriment to society. That is if one was worried about overall society. If you’re a Marxist/Anarchist revolutionary then those excess murders are just some broken eggs needed to bring about that utopian “omelette” that’s always promised yet never delivered.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: This Guy on April 22, 2021, 11:10:15 PM
      Bad call on the cops part they had no legal obligation to intervene and not like they woulda made any money out of it.

      Yep. I don't blame any white cops if they want to wait until a situation is over and then just show up to take a report.

      white black whatever, if there's no dogs to shoot and assets to seize then what's the point. maybe OT I guess
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: This Guy on April 22, 2021, 11:10:34 PM
      Bad call on the cops part they had no legal obligation to intervene and not like they woulda made any money out of it.

      Yep. I don't blame any white cops if they want to wait until a situation is over and then just show up to take a report.
      That could be a part of the reason why the numbers of homicides are up by roughly 3,000. The number of police involved homicides is down by about 300.

      Not every one of those 300 fewer police caused homicides would have been bad shoots either. I’d call losing 3,000 more people to murder so that we have a few hundred less politically fraught homicides a net loss. I agree there are some police are bad, and there can be improvements (there’s always the potential to improve since nothing on Earth is perfect), but turning the police as a whole into villains is a detriment to society. That is if one was worried about overall society. If you’re a Marxist/Anarchist revolutionary then those excess murders are just some broken eggs needed to bring about that utopian “omelette” that’s always promised yet never delivered.

      what utopia, it just maximizes more harm. This is fine
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 23, 2021, 01:09:22 AM
      Taking it back to the topic, they just gave Phil Masters a week ban for daring to suggest there's nothing wrong with the disadvantage "Slave Mentality."

      I saw that and I was like, "Phil Masters?! Phil Masters?! Oh, RPG.net, what hast thou become?"

      Though strictly speaking, it wasn't that Phil claimed there was nothing wrong with the disadvantage -- indeed, he explained at least twice that it was meant exclusively as an NPC construction element and wasn't suitable for PCs -- it was that he dared to suggest, even if only implicitly, that the feelings of those who found the name of the disadvantage upsetting were neither acute enough nor common enough to take seriously.

      Daring to imply that someone else's feelings aren't your problem is verboten over there now.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Reckall on April 23, 2021, 05:45:32 AM
      Jesus Christ.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/bookwrack-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-ninety-day-ban.880395/

      Bookwrack is probably gone, at least from TBP.  Not really surprised that Tanka was the one who pulled the trigger though.

      What if she identified as an 18 year old? Would that make any difference?
      It's always a tragedy when things like this occur, but it says a lot to me that Bookwrack's point is dismissed as 'devil's advocate' (having worn the devil's advocate hat myself more than a few times). And it pisses me the fuck off.

      During the latter days of WW2, German manpower was so depleted that they were pressing old men and teenagers -- practically children -- into combat roles and positions. Some of them had to be killed by Allied soldiers. A lethal weapon is still a lethal weapon whether the wielder is 15 or 51.

      But the narrative is 'cop kills harmless teenager', not 'cop guns down lunatic trying to murder other people'.

      Yep. The cops didn't have time to politely ask for her age. This girl came running out of the house and went for the stab. They had a split second, and shot her before she could stick the other girl with a knife.
      Horrible situation, but as I've been saying on social media (for all the good that does) for the past day or so. "Don't stab people."
      And that's should end it.

      This case got much notoriety due to the fact that Derek Chauvin's verdict was about to be read. But about this occurrence even leftist media point out that it underlines how each case must be treated separately. Even an extreme like a policeman killing an underage black girl can be justified if the situation warrants it.

      I watched the video and it clearly shows someone trying to stab someone else with a knife, all in full daylight. The case is a straightforward as it gets.

      I wonder how RPG.net's mods would react to a post where one defends the right for someone to stab someone else because the first person is an underage black girl...  ::)
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Reckall on April 23, 2021, 07:23:12 AM
      Taking it back to the topic, they just gave Phil Masters a week ban for daring to suggest there's nothing wrong with the disadvantage "Slave Mentality."

      I saw that and I was like, "Phil Masters?! Phil Masters?! Oh, RPG.net, what hast thou become?"
      If someone was still denying that RPG.net is in full nervous breakdown mode, I think that this is the last nail on the coffin.

      Masters simply points out how "Slave Mentality" is a disadvantage for "zombies, golems, robots, and the like." He even says that this disadvantage is "specifically flagged as inappropriate for PCs".

      Next on TBP: Cancel Culture against Isaac Asimov.  ::)
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 23, 2021, 08:16:31 AM
      Lest we forget, prior to this two other users received seven-day bans for abstractly discussing slavery in a fictional setting.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rupert-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878509/

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/ramidel-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-seven-day-ban-abstract-academic-cost-benefit-analysis-of-the-magical-benefits-of-chattel-slavery.878508/

      They weren't condoning it, or promoting it. But to the mods of TBP, slavery is verboten even to discuss.

      I admit I'm not as familiar with Mr. Masters's work, but checking his CV is pretty neat. OG Fiend Folio, enough GURPS supplements to beat a man to death with... not bad, not bad at all :)

      Swinging back to the Bryant case, TBP staff is probably now trying to figure out how to not look like utter tards considering everyone's running the clip of Bryant trying to shank the hell out of that girl. The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 23, 2021, 09:05:08 AM
      Swinging back to the Bryant case, TBP staff is probably now trying to figure out how to not look like utter tards considering everyone's running the clip of Bryant trying to shank the hell out of that girl. The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.

      Depends on how one views “helping”. If one means we’ll have a rational discussion of the event, then no, it is not helping. If one means that will help create an echo chamber in which one can ignore the concept that the police might have had justification to shoot, then yes, it’s helping nicely.

      The mods were seeing to users just pointing out the video. Kurt McMahon was clever to not make any statements himself about the events, but instead just point to the evidence. If he had said anything explicit along the lines that the cops made a clean shoot the mods would have eagerly seized upon that as a pretext for a ban. McMahon seems to have deliberately avoided making any such statements, which left the mods with a conundrum, thus the thread gets locked down. They are probably looking through his history trying to find any justification they can to inflict a ban on him.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Reckall on April 23, 2021, 09:16:02 AM
      Swinging back to the Bryant case, TBP staff is probably now trying to figure out how to not look like utter tards considering everyone's running the clip of Bryant trying to shank the hell out of that girl.
      The media that are trying to build a "case" here uniformly cut away from the stabbing moment (which, BTW, shows how big the knife was - it was not a small Swiss Army Knife...)

      Of course the internet is now full of "armchair policemen" who say how "they should have used tasers" or "fired at the legs"... Once again, just looking at the video shows how a person was, literally, half-a-second away from being stabbed. A taser is slower than a bullet. Taking aim needs time. The other person was, BTW, in the line of fire. Aiming at the body of the attacker avoided the danger of a stray bullet hitting the attacked.

      This policeman did the right thing in a split-second, and he has a video that proves it. No wonders that some people are knotted in conniptions.
      Quote
      The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.
      Literally the day before, a 13 years black girl stabbed to death another 13 years black girl in Cincinnati. No one cared. Apparently, wokes are just fine if blacks of any age stab and kill other blacks. Amazing.

      https://www.fox19.com/2021/04/21/they-took-my-baby-parents-say-bullying-led-year-olds-stabbing-death/
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 23, 2021, 11:24:31 AM
      Black lives only matter to wokeists if they die at the hands of police, regardless of circumstance.

      In the Bryant case, one of the neighbors, Donavon Brinson, turned his video footage over to the police and stated full support for the policeman's actions. Bryant is heard shrieking 'I'm gonna stab the fuck out of you, bitch!' during it.

      It'll be interesting if the pot gets to full boil or if they try to sweep this one into the memory hole.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 23, 2021, 11:48:49 AM
      Swinging back to the Bryant case, TBP staff is probably now trying to figure out how to not look like utter tards considering everyone's running the clip of Bryant trying to shank the hell out of that girl.
      The media that are trying to build a "case" here uniformly cut away from the stabbing moment (which, BTW, shows how big the knife was - it was not a small Swiss Army Knife...)

      Of course the internet is now full of "armchair policemen" who say how "they should have used tasers" or "fired at the legs"... Once again, just looking at the video shows how a person was, literally, half-a-second away from being stabbed. A taser is slower than a bullet. Taking aim needs time. The other person was, BTW, in the line of fire. Aiming at the body of the attacker avoided the danger of a stray bullet hitting the attacked.

      Joy Behar and a few other commentators have suggested that the officer could have fired a warning shot into the air. Demonstrating their ignorance about guns and physics.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 23, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
      Taking it back to the topic, they just gave Phil Masters a week ban for daring to suggest there's nothing wrong with the disadvantage "Slave Mentality."

      I saw that and I was like, "Phil Masters?! Phil Masters?! Oh, RPG.net, what hast thou become?"

      Though strictly speaking, it wasn't that Phil claimed there was nothing wrong with the disadvantage -- indeed, he explained at least twice that it was meant exclusively as an NPC construction element and wasn't suitable for PCs -- it was that he dared to suggest, even if only implicitly, that the feelings of those who found the name of the disadvantage upsetting were neither acute enough nor common enough to take seriously.

      Daring to imply that someone else's feelings aren't your problem is verboten over there now.

      We know his mistake was trying to have a conversation over there. Either you instantly and unconditionally agree, or you're a Nazi.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: HappyDaze on April 23, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
      Taking it back to the topic, they just gave Phil Masters a week ban for daring to suggest there's nothing wrong with the disadvantage "Slave Mentality."

      I saw that and I was like, "Phil Masters?! Phil Masters?! Oh, RPG.net, what hast thou become?"

      Though strictly speaking, it wasn't that Phil claimed there was nothing wrong with the disadvantage -- indeed, he explained at least twice that it was meant exclusively as an NPC construction element and wasn't suitable for PCs -- it was that he dared to suggest, even if only implicitly, that the feelings of those who found the name of the disadvantage upsetting were neither acute enough nor common enough to take seriously.

      Daring to imply that someone else's feelings aren't your problem is verboten over there now.

      We know his mistake was trying to have a conversation over there. Either you instantly and unconditionally agree, or you're a Nazi.
      There he goes with alternative facts again. In reality, even if a poster instantly and unconditionally agrees, that just means the poster is a pre-symptomatic Nazi.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: This Guy on April 23, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
      Literally the day before, a 13 years black girl stabbed to death another 13 years black girl in Cincinnati. No one cared. Apparently, wokes are just fine if blacks of any age stab and kill other blacks. Amazing.

      https://www.fox19.com/2021/04/21/they-took-my-baby-parents-say-bullying-led-year-olds-stabbing-death/

      Who gives a fuck about cincinnati
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Omega on April 23, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
      Next on TBP: Cancel Culture against Isaac Asimov.  ::)

      The tail end of the 70s iteration of this cult tried that with Asimov and he told then to go fuck off if they didnt like a breast showing in a comic in his magazine. Next issue had more boobage and a short story about a guy who is so SJW he flips out ofer the mere thought of a breast and cuts off his own hand to stop it.

      Go Issac.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Omega on April 23, 2021, 09:02:37 PM
      Lest we forget, prior to this two other users received seven-day bans for abstractly discussing slavery in a fictional setting.


      Its pretty much one faset of the censorship movement. No one can talk about rape except the designated moral guardians. You cant have a game about trying to stop rape because "Rape is bad!" and so on ad nausium.

      They got bored with that stick after breaking it and picked up another one to wave abound till they break it too.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Thornhammer on April 23, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
      The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.

      Did they watch a little too much West Side Story or something?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 24, 2021, 02:20:31 PM
      The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.

      Did they watch a little too much West Side Story or something?
      My off-the-cuff, strictly amateur analysis is that they're judging it by Hollywood fight scene standards. It's the same reason that retards make excuses for 'the knockout game' despite people dying from being sucker-punched in the head.

      But in their mind, nobody could get seriously hurt, oh no. That can't happen!
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Eirikrautha on April 24, 2021, 04:37:39 PM
      The weirdo wokeists saying 'oh knife fights are just a teenage thing' aren't helping.

      Did they watch a little too much West Side Story or something?
      Puerto Rican gangs?!?! That's either racist or cultural appropriation.  We're going to lock this thread until we decide which of those will get you the longer ban! [TBP]
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Wntrlnd on April 25, 2021, 03:56:32 PM
      Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

      Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

      (comes in)
      "Excuse me, is this seat taken?"
      (sits down)
      ...
      "Never mind me. Carry on"
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 25, 2021, 04:25:33 PM
      Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

      Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

      (comes in)
      "Excuse me, is this seat taken?"
      (sits down)
      ...
      "Never mind me. Carry on"
      Welcome to this hive of scum and villainy. I see that you’ve been a visitor of TBP for 10+ years and 4K+ posts. When you made that post did you know that you were going to catch a ban, or was it any kind of a surprise to you?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: HappyDaze on April 25, 2021, 04:53:42 PM
      Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

      Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

      (comes in)
      "Excuse me, is this seat taken?"
      (sits down)
      ...
      "Never mind me. Carry on"
      Damn...

      Looks like they cut your vowels off.

      That's harsh.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Wntrlnd on April 25, 2021, 05:08:27 PM
      Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

      Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

      (comes in)
      "Excuse me, is this seat taken?"
      (sits down)
      ...
      "Never mind me. Carry on"
      Welcome to this hive of scum and villainy. I see that you’ve been a visitor of TBP for 10+ years and 4K+ posts. When you made that post did you know that you were going to catch a ban, or was it any kind of a surprise to you?

      I can neither confirm nor deny that I am this person who has a similar name as mine. Just in case the mods or admins over there are lurking this thread to find any reasons to up his ban to perma.

      But I think he expected at most a threadban. Armed with the foreknowledge that the Damage report, a woke and progressive youtube channel that is affiliatied with, but not quite as insane as The Young Turks, had come to the same conclusion that the police wasnt really to blame. Media was. Both sides of media.
      As they pointed out, Media had shown one of two pictures. One where Adam Toledo had a gun, the other where he had his hands up less than a second later.

      So when Winterland saw that Tango Samurai only presented one side of the story he must have thought that "If only the people saw the whole picture, they will agree that it was a more complicated situation than they immediately thought"

      In retrospect. He should've posted the video instead. Not a picture he probably found on 4chan /pol
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 25, 2021, 06:01:51 PM
      Returning to the Winterland ban: for the record, Winterland has been a TBP member since 2008. 4600+ posts. Prior to this, he (or she) had a threadban and a warning (separate infractions) in 2018, three years ago. The thirty ban seems incredibly excessive, even for so-called 'A-game' threads (which in my opinion amount to mods hunting over bait, as such threads are inspected quite stringently for wrongthink).

      Frankly, if some wankstain of a mod handed me a thirty-day timeout over this, I'd just wipe the website from my bookmarks and never come back.

      (comes in)
      "Excuse me, is this seat taken?"
      (sits down)
      ...
      "Never mind me. Carry on"
      Welcome to this hive of scum and villainy. I see that you’ve been a visitor of TBP for 10+ years and 4K+ posts. When you made that post did you know that you were going to catch a ban, or was it any kind of a surprise to you?

      I can neither confirm nor deny that I am this person who has a similar name as mine. Just in case the mods or admins over there are lurking this thread to find any reasons to up his ban to perma.

      But I think he expected at most a threadban. Armed with the foreknowledge that the Damage report, a woke and progressive youtube channel that is affiliatied with, but not quite as insane as The Young Turks, had come to the same conclusion that the police wasnt really to blame. Media was. Both sides of media.
      As they pointed out, Media had shown one of two pictures. One where Adam Toledo had a gun, the other where he had his hands up less than a second later.

      So when Winterland saw that Tango Samurai only presented one side of the story he must have thought that "If only the people saw the whole picture, they will agree that it was a more complicated situation than they immediately thought"

      In retrospect. He should've posted the video instead. Not a picture he probably found on 4chan /pol

      I don't think it would have made a difference. This whole thread is about how RPG.net board culture and moderation have gone down the shitter, if you need any examples of why.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 06:10:21 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 25, 2021, 06:51:48 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      I did. I left. I posted why, logged out, and never posted again.

      Quote
      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.

      I seriously doubt it. Most likely RPG.net trundles on like a drunk hobo, leaking subscribers but replacing them with new suckers. Eventually, I think the moderation will devour all the posters and then, in their uttermost famine, devour each other, leaving a burned out husk of a site, but it will take a long time, and the culture may shift around them long before then.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 25, 2021, 07:32:25 PM
      Damn...

      Looks like they cut your vowels off. That's harsh.

      You mean they disemvowelled him?  :o
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Thornhammer on April 25, 2021, 08:02:25 PM

      You mean they disemvowelled him?  :o

      No, they dsmvwlld him.  ;D
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: jeff37923 on April 25, 2021, 08:21:24 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.

      Your heightened sense of self-importance is adorable. Do you honestly think that any of those places you claim to have sent links to will act on the shitshow that is RPGNet?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 25, 2021, 09:37:50 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.
      Be sure to tell us how that works out. BTW, I don't think Skotos runs TBP any more, it's those Dyvers Hands nobodies.

      I suppose if you bought the forum from Divers Hands you could fire all the mods, but short of that...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 25, 2021, 10:16:27 PM
      Be sure to tell us how that works out. BTW, I don't think Skotos runs TBP any more, it's those Dyvers Hands nobodies.

      I suppose if you bought the forum from Divers Hands you could fire all the mods, but short of that...
      If a sane person bought rpg.net they’d have to install an admin with the goal of making sure they could secure the site from site vandalism on the part of the soon to be ex-mods and ex-admins as they were shown the door. Then fire all of the mods at once. Probably more trouble than it’d be worth. The most likely future to TBP is a long, slow, painful self-purge into irrelevance, but like a ghost still hanging about.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 10:23:06 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.

      Your heightened sense of self-importance is adorable. Do you honestly think that any of those places you claim to have sent links to will act on the shitshow that is RPGNet?

      Well snarkhole, i have gotten a personal response from a rightwinger media site saying tney were interested in someone being silenced and cancel cultuired by a l.eftist site simply for reasopnbly saying that girlsd had a kn ife in her hand and was strying to stab someone when the polcie shot her, so yeah, maybe there's a shot they'll see about going in and maybe doing a story on them, snarktard.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: jeff37923 on April 25, 2021, 10:25:42 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.

      Your heightened sense of self-importance is adorable. Do you honestly think that any of those places you claim to have sent links to will act on the shitshow that is RPGNet?

      Well snarkhole, i have gotten a personal response from a rightwinger media site saying tney were interested in someone being silenced and cancel cultuired by a l.eftist site simply for reasopnbly saying that girlsd had a kn ife in her hand and was strying to stab someone when the polcie shot her, so yeah, maybe there's a shot they'll see about going in and maybe doing a story on them, snarktard.

      So now all you have to do is prove it.

      Where is the proof of your claim?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
      Well I could cut and paste the email i got about it, but you'd just say i was Faking it, so....


      FUCK YOU!!!



      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 10:32:27 PM
      Everyone bitches about rpg.net but not many people actually do anything.

      me, i had a run in there after logging in on a dare, didn't last more than 5 posts. I got a 3 bad and a ton or shit, abuse, lies and threats for a post about anti asian racism when they scumbag murdered those asian women.

      I said i was amazed it happened because i live in an area with a notable asian presence and we have never had any anti asian racism here.

      BAN for that under some bull;shit about denying racism. Christ on a cock, i stated a fact, i was not denying there was anti asian racism obviously, i said it surprised me as there was none in my locality.

      I also said rthe guy was probably a scumbag who had yellow fever and was rejected by asian woman.

      BAN for that as Yellow fever was an intoleeable term on that shitsite.

      Uh, yeah, the ONLY peope i ever heard yellow fever from were asians, but apparently the white knights running rpg.net took it upon themselves to take offense for something most asians don't take offense to or find almost amusing.

      I got threats about how a 3 day ban was so lenient and only becaue i was a noob.

      Yeah, 3 days later i told them to fuck off and also said that as a sane, rational, reasonable leftist progressive, and not a mindless drone in the woke borg collective i found rpg.net a cancer on progressiveness , one that justified every horrible and generally false stereotype the right had about the left. I said it justified the fox news term "Fascist left" as it was exactly what fox would have you think everyone to the left of mussolini is.

      I also said it was time someone did something about them and let them know i was going to contact various hard right news outlets and give them links to rpg.net and it's absolutely fanatical ultraleftist policies in hopes that some right wing media would attack it and hopefully cause it some grief.

      As a moderate part of the left wing i had to hold my nose and watch my keyboard and monitor after access sites like infowars, fox news, etc, but i sent them links about some of rpg.net's really just  fascist speech policing and banning of people for the slighest dissent, klike the guy who bot banned for working for ICE or the woman who was banned because she refused to condemn her husband after he was accused of something. (My god, condemning family members for not denouncing a loved one accused of an impropriety? HOLY STALINISM BATMAN! Also sounds like something Mao tse Dung would have done.)

      So, yeah, i hate the radical far Qanon  right, but i also hae rpg.net as a cancer on my side of the political spectrum and if i can get one evil to attack another, I'm ok with that. I keep hoping to see  a surprise expose on rpg.net on some far right media, i'd have to ehar about ti since i don;t watch them, but i'd laugh if it happened.

      maybe some advertisers pull out, maybe SKOTOS feels some heat, maybe they have to make some changes. Or just end up collapsing and being rebuilt with a mod team that doesn't justify the fascist left tag and model themselves on stalin, mao, etc.

      Your heightened sense of self-importance is adorable. Do you honestly think that any of those places you claim to have sent links to will act on the shitshow that is RPGNet?

      Well snarkhole, i have gotten a personal response from a rightwinger media site saying tney were interested in someone being silenced and cancel cultuired by a l.eftist site simply for reasopnbly saying that girlsd had a kn ife in her hand and was strying to stab someone when the polcie shot her, so yeah, maybe there's a shot they'll see about going in and maybe doing a story on them, snarktard.

      Why go to a rightard site tho? Why not go to a wholesome and unbiased site like CNN/NYT/WaPo/etc?

      I mean you hate their guts and are so sure they are tards and biased while you're so smart and unbiased...

      You got banned from TBP for WRONGTHINK, you, a saintly Biden/Shillary/Obomber voter.

      Have you stoped to think thay maybe, just maybe they aren't telling the truth about other stuff?

      Like the denizens here?

      Or we're inherently evil for the original sin of not beint RIGHTHINKERS like yourself?
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Omega on April 25, 2021, 10:33:17 PM
      Your heightened sense of self-importance is adorable. Do you honestly think that any of those places you claim to have sent links to will act on the shitshow that is RPGNet?

      I know for a fact a few places have been well aware of how bad RPG.net is and how bad RPGs in general are progressively getting as this continues.

      But the usual reaction is to just shake their heads and have their already low opinions of RPGs lowered a few more notches.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Omega on April 25, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Actually this place is about 50/50 left or right.

      Its just that alot of members are tired of the whole culture war and the games they like being ruined by these woke cultists who have infiltrated and totally co-opted the left.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Actually this place is about 50/50 left or right.

      Its just that alot of members are tired of the whole culture war and the games they like being ruined by these woke cultists who have infiltrated and totally co-opted the left.

      I've got another complaint about that remark. I'm not a rightwing nor a leftwing asshole, I'm a center asshole, or an asshole/asshole if you pretty please.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Pat on April 25, 2021, 10:44:02 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?
      Have you tried being less of one?

      If you're seeing assholes everywhere, maybe the real asshole is you.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Eirikrautha on April 25, 2021, 10:46:24 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Well, when you meet someone on a website who acts towards you negatively, chances are that person is probably just an asshole.  When everyone you meet on multiple sites treats you that way, chances are you're the asshole...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Jamfke on April 25, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Jamfke on April 25, 2021, 10:47:27 PM
      Sorry, had to go there...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!


      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
      (https://th.bing.com/th/id/R5efd1b8c9c277fdbc610aa0419c2094d?rik=%2fh7IgJvfWoM5UQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.batmanwallpapers.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2fwallpapers%2fthe_joker_laughing_wallpaper_-_1024x768.jpg&ehk=0bGKPZv1e13cXJQIv8zoSe7KX5qgKo%2fEYiaQb2Y77Bo%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw)


      Good one, actually.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Eirikrautha on April 25, 2021, 10:50:33 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!

      His reterdation level has gone to plaid...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 25, 2021, 10:51:46 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!

      His reterdation level has gone to plaid...

      Speaking of retardation if your locality had prevented the mentally unfir from breeding you'd never have existed.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: jeff37923 on April 26, 2021, 01:37:14 AM
      Well I could cut and paste the email i got about it, but you'd just say i was Faking it, so....


      FUCK YOU!!!



      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      I thought so. You got nothing.

      Shine on, you crazy diamond.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Pat on April 26, 2021, 02:05:24 AM
      Speaking of retardation if your locality had prevented the mentally unfir from breeding you'd never have existed.
      Calling people Nazis while bringing up eugenics.

      :facepalm:
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: GeekyBugle on April 26, 2021, 02:11:41 AM
      Speaking of retardation if your locality had prevented the mentally unfir from breeding you'd never have existed.
      Calling people Nazis while bringing up eugenics.

      :facepalm:

      Well, in the other thread he's advocating for genocide of anyone he sees as his political enemies...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: This Guy on April 26, 2021, 02:14:05 AM
      Your politics isn't a race this is going to be a very diverse purge
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Wntrlnd on April 26, 2021, 04:07:17 AM

      I've got another complaint about that remark. I'm not a rightwing nor a leftwing asshole, I'm a center asshole, or an asshole/asshole if you pretty please.

      From a euro perspective, Obama, Hillary and Biden are almost right wing
      AOC and Sanders would still be left though.

      That said, I think any further discussion on that would be more befitting the Pundits forum rather than here. (although this thread seems to be given a slightly more leeway on politicial topics)
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 07:52:04 AM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!
      Well played, sir. Well played. :)

      Oh, and Mr. Swain?

      LOL calm down.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 26, 2021, 07:54:21 AM

      I've got another complaint about that remark. I'm not a rightwing nor a leftwing asshole, I'm a center asshole, or an asshole/asshole if you pretty please.

      From a euro perspective, Obama, Hillary and Biden are almost right wing
      AOC and Sanders would still be left though.

      That said, I think any further discussion on that would be more befitting the Pundits forum rather than here. (although this thread seems to be given a slightly more leeway on politicial topics)
      I believe it does so long as the conversation remains related to rpg.net as that site is gaming related. If it drifts into being about politics in general then we might get admonished.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
      Something that Swain touched on before he flounced off was trying to limit TBP's ad revenue. As near as I can tell, TBP is using Google Adsense. Good luck with that -- there have been concerns raised about Google using Adsense as a club against sites with conservative comment sections. Both American Thinker and the Federalist had to shut theirs down because otherwise Google was going to pull their advertisements.

      So yeah, Google's not going to pull anything from TBP unless there's some insane shift that pisses off far more people than just their mentally retarded mods do.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Eirikrautha on April 26, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!

      His reterdation level has gone to plaid...

      Speaking of retardation if your locality had prevented the mentally unfir from breeding you'd never have existed.

      I assume you know this from experience?  Not that it would affect you... it takes two to breed...

      On topic, the vast majority of "conservative" sites are the same kind of grifters as the mainstream media.  They just are satisfied with the smaller captive audience they get by catering to conservatives.  As soon as that money-train gets threatened, suddenly they discover "new" principles to keep the cash flowing (see: The National Review).  Expecting them to do anything, especially regarding something as niche as RPGs, is the height of hopefulness.  Actual action risks alienating the "soft" conservatives that fund them... not gonna do it [/GHWB]... especially for roleplaying games (which I'm sure most of them associate with the left, anyway)...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: oggsmash on April 26, 2021, 06:06:34 PM
      Damn leftist assholes on rpg.net, rightwing assholes here. Is there any rpg site that isn't full of assholes?

      Keep Firing Assholes!

      His reterdation level has gone to plaid...

      Speaking of retardation if your locality had prevented the mentally unfir from breeding you'd never have existed.
        Hopefully your tard test will not involve spelling.  I would advise at least spelling things correctly when you decide to comment on mental capacity. 
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 28, 2021, 10:18:12 AM
      So back to the subject matter.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/agamemnon2-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-fourteen-day-ban.880633/

      This one is kind of fascinating to me. While Agamemnon2 has a long history of infractions (for the usual nebulous 'threadcrapping' or 'negative posting' reasons), they don't even try to address the point he made (in this case, about how getting your murder on against helpless targets destroys your moral standing).

      Now I'll grant validity to the angle someone made about how the difference between terrorism and government action can be somewhat unclear... I believe the Russian saying goes 'the thief who steals three kopecks is hanged, the thief who steals three hundred kopecks is praised'. But I don't see how Agamemnon2's response, 'Oh, that's how it's going to be, then? Pardon me for not offering my head onto that particular rhetorical chopping block today. I have enough enemies here without willfully inviting even more, thank you very much.' -- is worthy of a fourteen day time out. Especially as it seems to have taken three days to ban him (the post was made on Sunday).

      I have a suspicion that the mod staff deliberately tosses these softball bullshit infractions if they take a dislike to someone. Building up a 'record' on them, and then using it to justify harsher and harsher measures to try and drive the poster off the site. Granted, I could be overthinking this as well and Q99 is just a moron, but hell... not my monkeys, not my circus.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: wmarshal on April 28, 2021, 10:59:57 AM
      If one has basically taken on the roll of “inquisitor” then one finds “sin” where one can. Utopia has not been achieved (it never will) so someone is still doing things wrong and preventing us from reaching utopia. It could be a simple as that, or maybe the mod doesn’t want to fall behind the other mods.

      I think it’s been more than 2 weeks now since CrazyIvan locked down the anime moderation thread for backstage discussions. The plan is probably to have it just drop off the front page so it can be ignored easily.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 28, 2021, 12:15:23 PM
      If one has basically taken on the roll of “inquisitor” then one finds “sin” where one can. Utopia has not been achieved (it never will) so someone is still doing things wrong and preventing us from reaching utopia. It could be a simple as that, or maybe the mod doesn’t want to fall behind the other mods.

      I think it’s been more than 2 weeks now since CrazyIvan locked down the anime moderation thread for backstage discussions. The plan is probably to have it just drop off the front page so it can be ignored easily.
      Yup. I mean, maybe they're hashing out clarified rules behind the scenes.

      You know. When they're not tending the unicorns and other mythical creatures that don't exist.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 28, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
      If one has basically taken on the roll of “inquisitor” then one finds “sin” where one can.

      Though it should be granted that even the most dedicated mod is probably responding more to reports than seeking out potential infractions himself or herself. No thought police regime can really function well for long without active support from at least some of its community.

       I think I have said before that what would really be illuminating would be to analyze the report database: who makes the most reports? What's the proportion of ignored vs. addressed complaints? Is there a consistent small group of "tattlers"? Do some complainers get consistently taken more seriously than others? What's the correlation between issue, complainer, mod, and current events? And so on.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Eirikrautha on April 28, 2021, 10:28:40 PM
      If one has basically taken on the roll of “inquisitor” then one finds “sin” where one can.

      Though it should be granted that even the most dedicated mod is probably responding more to reports than seeking out potential infractions himself or herself. No thought police regime can really function well for long without active support from at least some of its community.

       I think I have said before that what would really be illuminating would be to analyze the report database: who makes the most reports? What's the proportion of ignored vs. addressed complaints? Is there a consistent small group of "tattlers"? Do some complainers get consistently taken more seriously than others? What's the correlation between issue, complainer, mod, and current events? And so on.

      That would take work, and if these idiots wanted to work they'd have actual jobs, not pretend jobs modding an RPG board...
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Stephen Tannhauser on April 29, 2021, 12:45:36 AM
      Quote
      I think I have said before that what would really be illuminating would be to analyze the report database: who makes the most reports? What's the proportion of ignored vs. addressed complaints? Is there a consistent small group of "tattlers"? Do some complainers get consistently taken more seriously than others? What's the correlation between issue, complainer, mod, and current events? And so on.

      That would take work, and if these idiots wanted to work they'd have actual jobs, not pretend jobs modding an RPG board...

      Well, that and they have no interest in the answers. When you don't see the status quo as a problem there's no point in examining its causes and structure. Hence my wistful rumination on what I'm probably never going to find out.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: David Johansen on April 29, 2021, 09:24:23 AM
      Now, let's be fair, they constantly say they're unpaid volunteers and in their defense, there's no way I'd pay them for the job they're doing.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Steven Mitchell on April 29, 2021, 10:44:16 AM
      Now, let's be fair, they constantly say they're unpaid volunteers and in their defense, there's no way I'd pay them for the job they're doing.

      True.  However, this is also one of those cases where the cost was "free" and everyone still overpaid.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 29, 2021, 01:54:51 PM
      This one is kind of interesting.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/underscore-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.880664/

      The reason I find it interesting is that Underscore hasn't posted anything in six years. His/her last post was pointing out that Tangency was cancer and being told 'lol no we want our social reform threads' by Darren McLennan*.

      So I admit I'm awfully curious as to what Underscore might've done, or might be accused of doing six years later.

      On a side note, I'm amused that a mod thinks 'social reform' is a critical component of a fucking RPG forum.

      * I assume Cannibal Smiliest is McLennan, based on comments and remarks I linked together between here and there. If I'm wrong I'll edit the post accordingly.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ratman_tf on April 29, 2021, 03:18:52 PM
      This one is kind of interesting.

      https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/underscore-receives-a-%F0%9F%92%80-permanent-ban.880664/

      The reason I find it interesting is that Underscore hasn't posted anything in six years. His/her last post was pointing out that Tangency was cancer and being told 'lol no we want our social reform threads' by Darren McLennan*.

      So I admit I'm awfully curious as to what Underscore might've done, or might be accused of doing six years later.

      On a side note, I'm amused that a mod thinks 'social reform' is a critical component of a fucking RPG forum.

      * I assume Cannibal Smiliest is McLennan, based on comments and remarks I linked together between here and there. If I'm wrong I'll edit the post accordingly.

      For a bunch of overworked, unpaid volunteers, they seem to have the time to check up on what posters are doing on other sites.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: HappyDaze on April 29, 2021, 04:04:03 PM
      For a bunch of overworked, unpaid volunteers, they seem to have the time to check up on what posters are doing on other sites.
      So they're Starfleet Intelligence, just doing the work for no pay just for the thrill of it and some mysterious credits while surrounded by Ferengi.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: sureshot on April 29, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
      Don’t forget I am sure a bunch of people lurk here to make sure and then snitch like a rat 🐀 to the mods.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: Ghostmaker on April 29, 2021, 04:13:00 PM
      Don’t forget I am sure a bunch of people lurk here to make sure and then snitch like a rat 🐀 to the mods.
      Probably. Dopamine hits from outrage won't generate themselves.

      They set the precedent when they banned Sankarah, after all. Even though he agreed with them politically.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: David Johansen on April 29, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
      * I assume Cannibal Smiliest is McLennan, based on comments and remarks I linked together between here and there. If I'm wrong I'll edit the post accordingly.

      I think so, it's his Darren's modatar and arrogance at any rate.

      The thing is that rpg.net is basically ashamed of rpgs they want us all to play gender diverse snugglefuzzies empower each other with kind words the roleplaying game.  They're pretty much the same as the satanic panic people of the eighties at this point.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: GeekyBugle on April 29, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
      * I assume Cannibal Smiliest is McLennan, based on comments and remarks I linked together between here and there. If I'm wrong I'll edit the post accordingly.

      I think so, it's his Darren's modatar and arrogance at any rate.

      The thing is that rpg.net is basically ashamed of rpgs they want us all to play gender diverse snugglefuzzies empower each other with kind words the roleplaying game.  They're pretty much the same as the satanic panic people of the eighties at this point.

      At this point? Plot twist, they always were.
      Title: Re: The RPG.Net SJW ban nazis are at it again
      Post by: matt swain on April 30, 2021, 12:39:03 AM