The Dark Eye will be available in English 2016

The Ent · August 04, 2015, 10:09:20 AM

I'm honestly impressed. :jaw-dropping:

The Butcher · August 04, 2015, 11:01:46 AM

Quote from: igor;846198First of all, sorry Butch, sorry Tristam, sorry everyone for getting this thread bogged down in this side issue.

Nothing to be sorry about here.

It's been an enlightening thread.

HMWHC · August 05, 2015, 12:04:56 PM

Is "The Dark Age" rpg the one that used a ton of awesome art by "Paul Bonner", or am I thinking of the Swedish RPG "Drakar och Demoner" a.k.a. Dragons & Demons.

That's the one I'd love to see translated into english.

Dirk Remmecke · August 05, 2015, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: Gwarh;846756Is "The Dark Age" rpg the one that used a ton of awesome art by "Paul Bonner", or am I thinking of the Swedish RPG "Drakar och Demoner" a.k.a. Dragons & Demons.

The Dark Eye didn't have any Paul Bonner cover.

The new (seventh) edition of Drakar och Demoner: Trudvang has Paul Bonner covers (but comes in an awkward, unwieldy format - it's two massive landscape-format hardcovers!).
The only other version of DoD that I've seen is the fifth edition - the Chronopia one, with no Bonner that I remember.

Korgul · August 05, 2015, 06:38:17 PM

Quote from: Arminius;846190In fairness, if you're referring to this, the only thing I can find that touches on that in any way isMaybe there was some other code of ethics which was more explicit?

Excuse me for the little Op, but reading this code of conduct I'm struck by the extreme similarity (in spirit if not in the letter) to the Hollywood Hays'code.

For instance the depiction of the authority and crime
TST

Quote3: AGENTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

Agents of law enforcement (constables, policemen, judges, government
officials, and respected institutions) should not be depicted in such a
way as to create disrespect for current established authorities/social
values. When such an agent is depicted as corrupt, the example must be
expressed as an exception and the culprit should ultimately be brought to
justice.

4: CRIME AND CRIMINALS

Crimes shall not be presented in such ways as to promote distrust of law
enforcement agents/agencies or to inspire others with the desire to
imitate criminals. Crime should be depicted as a sordid and unpleasant
activity. Criminals should not be presented in glamorous circumstances.
Player character thieves are constantly encouraged to act towards the
common good.

Hays Code

QuoteIII. Law, natural or human, shall not be ridiculed, nor shall sympathy be created for its violation.

By natural law is understood the law which is written in the hearts of all mankind, the greater underlying principles of right and justice dictated by conscience.

By human law is understood the law written by civilized nations.

1. The presentation of crimes against the law is often necessary for the carrying out of the plot. But the presentation must not throw sympathy with the crime as against the law nor with the criminal as against those who punish him.

2. The courts of the land should not be presented as unjust. This does not mean that a single court may not be presented as unjust, much less that a single court official must not be presented this way. But the court system of the country must not suffer as a result of this presentation.

Was this very restrictive (and arguably backward) inspired by the satanic panic? Anybody knows when it was implemented the first time?

igor · August 06, 2015, 03:18:01 AM

Quote from: Korgul;846827Excuse me for the little Op, but reading this code of conduct I'm struck by the extreme similarity (in spirit if not in the letter) to the Hollywood Hays'code.

For instance the depiction of the authority and crime
TST

Hays Code

Was this very restrictive (and arguably backward) inspired by the satanic panic? Anybody knows when it was implemented the first time?

If I remember correctly it was based on the old comic book code which was based on the Hays Code. The Satanic Panic was a major factor in it being adopted. And it was adopted somewhere in the early-to mid-80's.

TristramEvans · August 06, 2015, 03:26:54 AM

Quote from: Beagle;846461There is absolutely no guilt whatsoever associated in appraising the covers of Ugurcan Yüce; his work is pretty amazing and is just filled with concentrated essence of adventure. Yüce was the unmatched master of creating covers for RPG products.
Unfortunately, the covers are often a promise the contents of the adventure modules cannot deliver. But, hey, they are pretty amazing.

Do you see the shady guy in the back? Do you know what his agenda?

Can you think of a greater set piece than fighting a hungry allosaur in a mesoamericanic temple ruin (which may be infested with lizardmen)?

Man thats some awesome 70s-80s style fantasy goodness. Reminds me a bit of Angus McBride

TristramEvans · August 06, 2015, 03:35:12 AM

Quote from: Gwarh;846756Is "The Dark Age" rpg the one that used a ton of awesome art by "Paul Bonner", or am I thinking of the Swedish RPG "Drakar och Demoner" a.k.a. Dragons & Demons.

That's the one I'd love to see translated into english.

He did a lot of art for the Cadwallon rpg, which was translated into English (albiet badly)

Paul's a very nice guy, unassuming and quite friendly. I'll ask him next time we talk if he did any other RPG work.

igor · August 09, 2015, 05:38:38 PM

Orkenspalter tv shows of the DSA 5 book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5NjOnxS_98

And an extensive review of the new game in German.
https://rpgnosis.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/dsa5-regelwerk-teil-1-ersteindruck-einleitung-und-grundregeln/

crkrueger · August 10, 2015, 03:37:27 PM

Quote from: igor;846198Acknowledging the standard, but not acknowledging that exceptions exist, leads to invisibility, invisibility leads to 2nd class citizenship status and repression. (Just pretend I said it in a Yoda voice.)

Apparently, Yoda doesn't know much math. If I'm writing a series of crime novels taking place in the 4 corners area and I don't have Navajo characters, it's pretty weird, since most of the Four Corners area is Navajo land. If, however, I write a series of crime novels in taking place in Northern Idaho, and I don't have any Sami characters, or any native Tupi-Guarani speakers, accusing me of making them invisible is idiotic.

I could go through 10,000 NPCs and have only 3 or so be transgender, which would be an appropriate ratio, but someone gets anywhere close to that these days, they'll get hammered for erasure.

igor · August 10, 2015, 09:49:54 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;847939Apparently, Yoda doesn't know much math. If I'm writing a series of crime novels taking place in the 4 corners area and I don't have Navajo characters, it's pretty weird, since most of the Four Corners area is Navajo land. If, however, I write a series of crime novels in taking place in Northern Idaho, and I don't have any Sami characters, or any native Tupi-Guarani speakers, accusing me of making them invisible is idiotic.

I could go through 10,000 NPCs and have only 3 or so be transgender, which would be an appropriate ratio, but someone gets anywhere close to that these days, they'll get hammered for erasure.

Stop moving the goalposts. We were talking about homosexuals. Those are a lot closer to being 3 in a 100 NPC's, than 3 in 10.000. So they are bound to show up occasionally, which is what happens in DSA.

RPGPundit · August 12, 2015, 02:19:54 AM

Man, Germans are nuts.

igor · August 12, 2015, 03:57:11 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;848182Man, Germans are nuts.

Yes they are.

The Ent · August 12, 2015, 04:23:39 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;848182Man, Germans are nuts.

Yes. They can't even pronounce "ja" right.

James Gillen · August 13, 2015, 08:59:50 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;848182Man, Germans are nuts.

I think that them being eccentric is a little better than them invading France every 20 years.

JG

The Dark Eye will be available in English 2016

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