So remember my bemoaning a lack of used Pathfinder material on the shelves?

Today there's a raft of it.

Wonder what happened?  

I think it's natural Pathfinder will have a dropoff. I'm also pretty sure they've built up enough momentum to keep things going. This is a company that doesn't release any book without a cost-analysis. They've got a pretty loyal fanbase--I'm betting they will be ok.

it reinforces my belief that a lot of gamers stuck with PF because it felt like D&D and 4e wasn't even close.  Now that 5e feels like D&D again, only without the huge feat trees and numbers bloat of PF and 3e, I suspect this will be a common scene

People to apeshit for 3.75. For a good portion of gamers, that's what they think of when someone says "old-school."

I'd say it is a bit early to be calling it one way or another on pathfinder and how it will fair. I don't play the game, but it does seem to have a substantial player base in my neck of the woods. Whether 5E can overtake that, we'll see. Third edition offers a pretty specific thing, something 5E seems to shy away from a bit, so i suspect there will be a harcore base that remains with pathfinder. Also Paizo has pretty strong brand identity with their modules and WoTC doesn't have a strong reputation on that front, so interest in the modules alone might be enough to set them apart. In the end, it may not be as simple as one game ruling them all. That happened with 3E because of the open license. But if other companies remain in competition with 5E, it might look more like the 90s and 80s with plenty of alternative systems to choose from (actually might prefer that).

Paizo's really good at what they do. I'm pretty sure you can bet the farm that Pathfinder will be OK.

Yeah WotC has yet to release a module they wrote themselves.  Paizo is the house adventures built.

Quote from: mcbobbo;764961So remember my bemoaning a lack of used Pathfinder material on the shelves?

Today there's a raft of it.

Wonder what happened?  

It's summer.

I'd hazard a guess that Pathfinder fans are radicalized to about the point Warmachine fans are.

The might dabble back to D&D and there's sure to be some leakage on the fringes in both directions but I predict the solid core of Paizo's fan base will never go back to Wizards of the Coast.

So Paizo's market share will probably drop off. That's no reflection on them right now. They saw a niche, they exploited the hell out of it and they'll continue to be a player.

Quote from: mcbobbo;764961So remember my bemoaning a lack of used Pathfinder material on the shelves?

Today there's a raft of it.

Wonder what happened?  

Correlation not equaling causation and all that jazz but still it's VERY interesting timing.

Quote from: Sommerjon;765013It's summer.

by that logic, every RPG should hit the used shelves during summer.  Do they?

I am not a Paizo fan and I'm not betting against them.

Also, our FLGS has had plenty of PF/3e/4e used books in rotation on the sale shelf for years now.

The judge of 5e vs. PF will be GenCon's 2015 game schedule. Let's see the table numbers a year from now. My bet is that PF loses 10% of its tables, maybe less.

David, the Warmachine fan analogy is probably a good one. I got chastised by a Warmachine fan for still playing 40k. I can't defend WFB vs. WM anymore, but damn the crazy little fucker was trying to make noise about 40k!

Quote from: Sacrosanct;765032by that logic, every RPG should hit the used shelves during summer.  Do they?

Yes.

Quote from: David Johansen;765023I'd hazard a guess that Pathfinder fans are radicalized to about the point Warmachine fans are.

The might dabble back to D&D and there's sure to be some leakage on the fringes in both directions but I predict the solid core of Paizo's fan base will never go back to Wizards of the Coast.

I doubt many established Pathfinder fans will switch to 5E. But the real battle is for the new players, the ones you need to replace the customers who attrit away relentlessly in a hobby like RPGs. And there, Paizo will be in tough. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a plan for extending the Beginners Set to the full level range if it looks like 5E is pulling away.