Quote from: SHARK on March 31, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
The people's responsibility belongs precisely and solely to the players involved in that group. Or any group. Anywhere, at a private home, at a gamestore, at a convention. Wherever. If you have an idiot DM--or "Creeper" or whatever flavor of moron--the solution is simple, and yours alone--get up, excuse yourself, and say "Sorry, but this game isn't for me"--and leave, and never come back. That's when you look at the group boards at the store, or online, or whatever, and find another DM.

Quote from: SHARK on March 31, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
I think in the deeper problem here is you have a bunch of weak, timid people that don't have the balls to stand up for themselves. There were jackass DM's back in the day--all into slaughterfests, racism, rape trains, whatever. You know the type. I've heard of a few of them over the years, and people handled them. They were dropped, and excluded, and ostracized. They didn't have large gaming groups, and they were not welcome to join anyone. Eventually those types of moron players and moron DM's just vanished entirely.

Are we still talking about the group from the OP? From what I read, the DM behaved badly, and they quit the campaign. Isn't that doing just what you advocate here? I felt like their message was more polite than was warranted, but still, they did speak up and they did quit. Is there something different that you think they should have done?

Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2021, 09:34:22 PM

Quote from: SHARK on March 31, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
The people's responsibility belongs precisely and solely to the players involved in that group. Or any group. Anywhere, at a private home, at a gamestore, at a convention. Wherever. If you have an idiot DM--or "Creeper" or whatever flavor of moron--the solution is simple, and yours alone--get up, excuse yourself, and say "Sorry, but this game isn't for me"--and leave, and never come back. That's when you look at the group boards at the store, or online, or whatever, and find another DM.

Quote from: SHARK on March 31, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
I think in the deeper problem here is you have a bunch of weak, timid people that don't have the balls to stand up for themselves. There were jackass DM's back in the day--all into slaughterfests, racism, rape trains, whatever. You know the type. I've heard of a few of them over the years, and people handled them. They were dropped, and excluded, and ostracized. They didn't have large gaming groups, and they were not welcome to join anyone. Eventually those types of moron players and moron DM's just vanished entirely.

Are we still talking about the group from the OP? From what I read, the DM behaved badly, and they quit the campaign. Isn't that doing just what you advocate here? I felt like their message was more polite than was warranted, but still, they did speak up and they did quit. Is there something different that you think they should have done?

Greetings!

Hey, Jhkim. No, with the OP specific group, they seemed to have responded fine. You know how different tangents and examples get brought into discussions here though. I'm also thinking of the references where people complain about such shitty DM's, and how it is such a horrible atrocity that they exist, and how can these horrible people be in our hobby? Seguing into the racisms/x-card/trans whatever stuff. It also flows into the whiny cancel culture BS.

People in the hobby have disapproved of the jackass DM since forever, and have made their disapproval known. Jackass DM's have been isolated, and eventually, I'm presuming from their absence at the smaller scale--leave the hobby, and go find some other kind of outlet for their pet frustrations and whatever.

Yes, though, the OP group was very polite, perhaps even too polite.

I would have been far more direct.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

buncha rpg babes not wanting to have children, it's a demographic nightmare (and those tattoos!)

toxic masculinity i've definitely run into as a term

i like her little aol instant messenger set-up, cleverly done. it reminds me of this color-coded chart of cyrillic that i was checking out on etsy, kinda like those settlers of catan cakes.

i personally don't have a problem with depicting anything but then again i've never played with a wide variety of people, just with my high school friends.

Help me here: did D&D ever had rules for pregnant female adventurers? I'm not talking about third-party products, like the The Book of Erotic Fantasy but official rules.

I'm uh... Asking for a friend...

Quote from: Reckall on April 02, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Help me here: did D&D ever had rules for pregnant female adventurers? I'm not talking about third-party products, like the The Book of Erotic Fantasy but official rules.

I'm uh... Asking for a friend...

I think I saw a letter in Dragon Magazine (specifically, the Sage Advice section) regarding this.

I don't think any official TSR book had rules for it.