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Reset the clock. Again.
« on: April 06, 2021, 03:48:22 PM »
David (Olivia) Hill the ex-White Wolf writer has been outed for sneaking around with an artist who was working for him and playing the "I'll totally leave my wife for you, baby" game with her.

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srlbfj

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So a year ago i met Olivia. We hit it off immediately, as I had never done before. I had a boyfriend at the time. We were not perfect but we were stable. Little by little Olivia and me started flirting, harmless at first, then it escalated and we talked about wanting to be together. She told me she was in an open relationship with her wife Filamena. I agreed to it. Eventually she told her wife that she wanted to be with me, and I told my boyfriend that I wanted ua to be open so I could also date Olivia.

I wish I could say things were good and then went bad. It wasn't like that. Things were bad from the get go. Filamena wasn't ok with us being together, even forced Olivia to break up with me one day. After that we had a talk, the three of us, and Olivia and me went back together. But things kept being shit. I was "the other one", it was never an equal relationship with the one ahe had with her wife. We didn't have any time just for us. And then, later, when a day was assigned for us to hangout by ourselves in a call all day, it was a day decided by the two of them, which clashed with my sunday game, and i had to miss it several times to be able to be with my girlfriend.

A lot of stuff happened in between. This started in September 2020. To be honest i don't remember all of it because it was a shithole and it hurts. But i can tell you that for a time i was really fucking scared of things not working out between the three of us because there was work involved. Money. Money I could depend on. Luckily i have commissions going on now that i can say that is not a.concern anymore.

One of the latest stuff is that we had a huge blowup because basically i had no assurance from Olivia that she wanted to be with me. Oh, I forgot to say: after i tried to go to USA to be with Olivia and figure if things were gonna work out, and I couldn't enter the country, i got back home and my boyfriend broke up with me because he figured i loved Olivia more than him. Which was true, so can't blame him. Anyways, i wanted some assurance, since i had essentially changed my whole life to try to be with her and she had done shit. So i told her to come to Chile. She fought me about it, tried to manipulate me by making me feel sorry for her (that's what she does, beware) but i put my foot down and she bought the tickets.

She's here now. We have had a cool time together, but also a rollercoaster. I was unwilling for a while to work things with her if she was still with her wife, because I felt like i was gonna be treated badly by Filamena. Not badly as in physically or even harsh words. Just thought I was gonna be considered an appendix on Olivia's life by her, and I didn't want that. And I was correct. A few days ago Mena and me talked, and she basically told me what I feared. That, as you can imagine, is incompatible with me being with Olivia. So I told her we can't be together if she's with her wife. She couldn't make a decision so i broke up with her. Later she called Filamena, and when she got off the phone with her she told me they were getting a divorce. So, we got back together. Olivia was bad, and I wanted to be there for her. So i did.

Yesterday i decided i was willing to work things out. Like for real. Figure things out so the three of us can have a good life. Turns out Filamena was unaware that Olivia and me were back together. And the divorce wasn't a thing. Now, you have to understand: this "we are separating, we are getting a divorce" is nothing new. Has happened several times before, so at this point i felt it as the manipulation tactic that it was. And when i found out that she didn't know, and things were shitty again, i couldn't stand it anymore. I told Olivia she should leave her wife if she wanted to be with me. I still believed we could have something. But she never wanted that. She never meant to leave her wife. I was played with and left hanging. For a long time. And i can't anymore.

Last night i was going to leave, go home, leave Olivia at the airbnb i rented for a month so we could be together. She told me to stay. I admit I told her if she left Filamena, we could be together. If not, I would air all of this. At this point, I am airing it not because of that, but because i no longer think things can work with Olivia. I have been hurt enough. I have been left aside enough. I didn't leave last night because she asked me not to. So i didn't. Because I'm stupid. I stayed.

Now i realized this is never going to be good for me. Never. This is going to keep being hell for me. And I am sick of it. I want closure. And I want to not have to cross paths with these people ever again.

They surely will come out with their side of the story. I don't care. It's better, in a way. That way you can get the whole story.

His response has been to bemoan how painful this all is for him and how much this woman is hurting him, when I'm reasonably sure if he wasn't trying to slip it to an employee on the side it wouldn't be coming up as an issue today.

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Re: Reset the clock. Again.
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2021, 04:03:28 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 04:12:33 PM »
All the therapy in the world won’t fix what’s gone wrong with that situation. For the spurned action on the side the best to hope for is an epiphany of some kind to get that life back into some semblance of being able to function.

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 04:13:42 PM »
Sounds like some personal shit that got out of hand and inextricably linked to their design now. Hill doesn't have her name on any current projects beyond iHunt far as I know so will probably keep chugging along on whatever she's doing.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2021, 04:46:13 PM »
Further evidence in the ever-growing pile why classical rules of Christian chastity took the shape they did for a reason.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2021, 04:47:52 PM »
What is the reason
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2021, 05:00:15 PM »
What is the reason(?)

Preventing s**tstorms like the one outlined in the original post.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2021, 06:05:06 PM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?

Further evidence in the ever-growing pile why classical rules of Christian chastity took the shape they did for a reason.

It was St. Augustine, IIRC, who said "Ethics and Morals are not only a way to go to Heaven, they also have practical, real-life usefulness."
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2021, 06:09:36 PM »
Further evidence in the ever-growing pile why classical rules of Christian chastity took the shape they did for a reason.
I mean... yes, that was my first thought too while reading this mess. There is very good reason monogamous relationships between one man and one woman became the standard in our culture. Still not easy, but just look at this crap. This is no way to live a life, let alone maintain a society in good shape.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2021, 06:15:18 PM »
So, a cheating scumbag met another cheating scumbag whoe didn't want to stop being a cheating scumbag...

I think I should feel sorry for someone but I don't, if a person is willing to cheat on their spouse/SI to "be with you"... What makes you think that person has any kind of morals?
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2021, 06:31:49 PM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 07:06:45 PM »
If we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I guess just continue to present the Others as immoral failures.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 07:15:26 PM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I want to clarify that with B) I meant "Why all of this is considered worthy enough to be inflicted on the internet at large by this Francita gal?"

I had my ups and downs in my sentimental life - more than other people I know. Each one of them was different but they all shared a key commonality: Not one of them ever made me think "Hey! The World must just know about this private brouhaha of mine!"
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2021, 08:42:27 PM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I want to clarify that with B) I meant "Why all of this is considered worthy enough to be inflicted on the internet at large by this Francita gal?"

I had my ups and downs in my sentimental life - more than other people I know. Each one of them was different but they all shared a key commonality: Not one of them ever made me think "Hey! The World must just know about this private brouhaha of mine!"

I guess that depends on how much you feel like not saying shit will lead to something similar happening to another coworker of the accused further down line. If you don't, it's all nonsense. If you do, you can still def question the approach for sure.
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2021, 09:06:47 PM »
So, a cheating scumbag met another cheating scumbag whoe didn't want to stop being a cheating scumbag...

I think I should feel sorry for someone but I don't, if a person is willing to cheat on their spouse/SI to "be with you"... What makes you think that person has any kind of morals?

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So true, brother!

I was talking with a friend about this kind of stuff right here. People that have morals and self-discipline often tend towards living lives that are considered by many to be structured, routine, and boring. As I told my friend though, in the long run, they are happier, and have nothing to be ashamed of.

Scum like this, however, have lives filled with constant drama, bullshit, and emotional turmoil. So many people like these have lives that are absolute chaos and filled with pain, for everyone within reach. But, of course, these people always have a litany of excuses and rationale for why none of the pain, chaos, and bullshit in their lives is ever their fault--no, it's always everyone else's fault. These people never seem to come to grips with their own deep-seated immorality, their own corruption, their selfishness, and terrible judgment.

Watch them wallow and choke on shit. Their lives are an endless cycle of bullshit. Ever notice how all of their lovers and so many of their friends and social circles are the same as them?

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