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Re: Reset the clock. Again.
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2021, 01:42:55 AM »
Prove TTRPGs ARE postmodernist.

I think he must be talking about post modernist TTRPG elements like making Black People into Orcs, taking away XP rewards and eliminating Alignment.

So he means TTRPGs made by those who hate Peterson?
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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2021, 01:53:26 AM »
Setting aside more explicitly pomo games like Unknown Armies you do get games built around the interpretation of arbitrary mathematical formula into descriptions of fictitious world events based on equally arbitrary formula sets, the authority of which is not objective but agreed upon or changed at will by the group. DMs exist as a locus of control but their authority lacks any intrinsic center beyond that established by the group by whatever means they find appropriate. The books give some element of authority but often undermine their own authority either through the explicit inclusion of rule zero or the implicit inclusion of house ruling.

But yeah also no alignments.

Edit: And to be clear this response doesn't include the shit you'd call story-games where the point is to reduce the authority of the DM or eliminate altogether, this is just a description of basic-ass D&D.
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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2021, 06:04:06 AM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I want to clarify that with B) I meant "Why all of this is considered worthy enough to be inflicted on the internet at large by this Francita gal?"

I had my ups and downs in my sentimental life - more than other people I know. Each one of them was different but they all shared a key commonality: Not one of them ever made me think "Hey! The World must just know about this private brouhaha of mine!"

I guess that depends on how much you feel like not saying shit will lead to something similar happening to another coworker of the accused further down line. If you don't, it's all nonsense. If you do, you can still def question the approach for sure.
The point is "The accused". Where is her possibility to defend herself and maybe to point out lies and inaccuracies? For what we know, she simply had the decency to keep private a, you know, private matter - instead of trying to elicit sympathy via "Sigh, sob, I behaved stupidly ---> Truth is: she was the real evil person."

According to this Francita gal, she traveled to the United States only to discover there that she couldn't enter the country? For real, in this day and age?! And if she couldn't see Olivia in the USA, where they were conducting their relationship? In a neutral third country? Sorry, but things just don't add up.
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« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2021, 07:24:14 AM »
The problem i see is the larp aspect, the i want to be with you and have a relationship crap, wouldnt happen if everyone was honest from the start; uh no i dont want to be with you, i want to clock in, bend your fat ass over that potted plant, toss you a 50 gold bonus for the ona-hole damage, and go home to my wife, an actual lady who deserves respect and is far too classy to bend over that potted plant like the goat milking peasant trash hole that you are, girl.

If you were honest from the start about that she likely would not have given you potted plant noogy in the first place because you are a brash caustic heartless bastard that clearly sees her as a piece of meat to be chewed on and far below the station of his wife, a proper lady fair enough to have babies with, whereas she is little better than livestock or one of those wall mounted blow dryers.

I will now have sex with all the attractive women on earth using only the power of my mind, and no one can stop me.

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« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2021, 08:41:26 AM »
So... why did their dirty laundry need airing in public again?

Attention and sympathy obviously, but otherwise...?

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« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2021, 09:14:36 AM »
So... why did their dirty laundry need airing in public again?

Attention and sympathy obviously, but otherwise...?
To be Woke is to be virtuous, and if one is virtuous then one must warn others about Hill’s bad behavior. I think that’s the rationale used. It was her duty to out Hill as abusive. Never mind her own messed up behavior that anyone with common sense would understand not lead to anything good.

It’s very similar to the message published by Eron Gjoni about Zoe Quinn. Eron was trashed by the Woke because Zoe fit into a more oppressed class in the stack. I have no idea how these two will be sorted through the Woke’s stack of oppression, and probably won’t be worth the time. Hill is not as important to the Woke as Zoe was so there’s a decent chance this won’t be viewed as slut shaming and harassment.

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« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2021, 09:44:16 AM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I want to clarify that with B) I meant "Why all of this is considered worthy enough to be inflicted on the internet at large by this Francita gal?"

I had my ups and downs in my sentimental life - more than other people I know. Each one of them was different but they all shared a key commonality: Not one of them ever made me think "Hey! The World must just know about this private brouhaha of mine!"

I guess that depends on how much you feel like not saying shit will lead to something similar happening to another coworker of the accused further down line. If you don't, it's all nonsense. If you do, you can still def question the approach for sure.
The point is "The accused". Where is her possibility to defend herself and maybe to point out lies and inaccuracies? For what we know, she simply had the decency to keep private a, you know, private matter - instead of trying to elicit sympathy via "Sigh, sob, I behaved stupidly ---> Truth is: she was the real evil person."

According to this Francita gal, she traveled to the United States only to discover there that she couldn't enter the country? For real, in this day and age?! And if she couldn't see Olivia in the USA, where they were conducting their relationship? In a neutral third country? Sorry, but things just don't add up.

People not doing their research and finding mistakes too late is like the most believable thing there is. It's so believable people don't like to believe it even in Current Year. Who knows for the accused, ten'll get you five more's forthcoming.
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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2021, 09:59:18 AM »
So... why did their dirty laundry need airing in public again?

Attention and sympathy obviously, but otherwise...?

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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2021, 10:02:31 AM »
So... why did their dirty laundry need airing in public again?

Attention and sympathy obviously, but otherwise...?

These neo-Cathars have a religion of sin without forgiveness.  Only the Pure enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Look we're drifting more secular and all that Great Awakening energy had to go somewhere. You want it back?
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2021, 10:28:58 AM »
So... why did their dirty laundry need airing in public again?

Attention and sympathy obviously, but otherwise...?

These neo-Cathars have a religion of sin without forgiveness.  Only the Pure enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Look we're drifting more secular and all that Great Awakening energy had to go somewhere. You want it back?
It might be better if that energy was funneled through religion. In the States at least there is no Church, just 100,000 different churches that helps limit the momentum this puritanism can use. We have thousands of years of history with religions attempting to establish Heaven on Earth, yet always failing, often spectacularly and with much bloodshed. And with each failing I believe the religions come to accept more and more the futility of such endeavors. Some attempts still get made, but with less enthusiasm and effect than before generally speaking.

With the secular attempts to establish Year 0 (or whatever they want to call their version of Heaven on Earth) they don’t have as long a history of failure to inform them of their futility. The secularists are quite adept at dismissing prior failures (“that wasn’t real communism” tried over in the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Cuba, Nicaragua, Romania, East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Albania, Yugoslavia, Angola, etc.), because apparently it takes humans thousands of years to abandon any kind of idealism that takes hold.

We have language and experience that lets most of us deal properly with religious cults. We have means to limit their damage, help members escape cults, know to treat them with caution. They can still do incredible damage, but Jim Jones was never going to take over the US with his lunacy. With secular cults, some of us are just now learning that such things exist, and we haven’t developed the tools and understanding to deal with secular cults.

The danger of secularism running amok like a maniac with scissors is not entirely new to us. Edmund Burke saw from the beginning that the French Revolution was going to end in a bloody disaster. But as a whole I think we’re behind the curve in dealing with secular cults compared to religious cults.

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« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2021, 10:35:00 AM »
I have two immediate questions here:

A) Is any of these characters out of middle school?

B) We should care about this litany... why?


You shouldn't really, but if we can't continue to present the Others as immoral failures then by god what can we do

I want to clarify that with B) I meant "Why all of this is considered worthy enough to be inflicted on the internet at large by this Francita gal?"

I had my ups and downs in my sentimental life - more than other people I know. Each one of them was different but they all shared a key commonality: Not one of them ever made me think "Hey! The World must just know about this private brouhaha of mine!"

I guess that depends on how much you feel like not saying shit will lead to something similar happening to another coworker of the accused further down line. If you don't, it's all nonsense. If you do, you can still def question the approach for sure.
The point is "The accused". Where is her possibility to defend herself and maybe to point out lies and inaccuracies? For what we know, she simply had the decency to keep private a, you know, private matter - instead of trying to elicit sympathy via "Sigh, sob, I behaved stupidly ---> Truth is: she was the real evil person."

According to this Francita gal, she traveled to the United States only to discover there that she couldn't enter the country? For real, in this day and age?! And if she couldn't see Olivia in the USA, where they were conducting their relationship? In a neutral third country? Sorry, but things just don't add up.

People not doing their research and finding mistakes too late is like the most believable thing there is. It's so believable people don't like to believe it even in Current Year. Who knows for the accused, ten'll get you five more's forthcoming.

Did she "find about her mistake too late", then, because the marriage-shattering relationship was, up to that point, internet-only?  :o
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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2021, 10:44:48 AM »
Who fuckin knows? She's on the twitters, go ask her and then we can continue gossiping like old maids.
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« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2021, 11:31:33 AM »
Keeping account of the failures of the Woke has its value. Similar to how pointing out the failures of the televangelists back in the 80s and 90s. Televangelists are still around, but they seem to have less clout than they used to because they were shown to have feet of clay. Hill at least used to be considered somewhat prominent among the gaming Woke. Taking him down a notch similar to what occurred to Graham, Roberts and Baker is not a bad thing. Admittedly Hill never had their influence on society as a whole, but he is/was a player in the gaming space. I doubt we’ll ever know with the certainty of a court ruling that his accuser is not stretching facts, but that if she’s making up wholesale lies that might come back to bite her.

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« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2021, 11:32:49 AM »
On the other hand, no I don’t think the airing of these kind of private affairs is healthy, but this milk is already spilt so to speak.

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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2021, 11:38:21 AM »
Keeping account of the failures of the Woke has its value. Similar to how pointing out the failures of the televangelists back in the 80s and 90s. Televangelists are still around, but they seem to have less clout than they used to because they were shown to have feet of clay. Hill at least used to be considered somewhat prominent among the gaming Woke. Taking him down a notch similar to what occurred to Graham, Roberts and Baker is not a bad thing. Admittedly Hill never had their influence on society as a whole, but he is/was a player in the gaming space. I doubt we’ll ever know with the certainty of a court ruling that his accuser is not stretching facts, but that if she’s making up wholesale lies that might come back to bite her.

On the other hand, no I don’t think the airing of these kind of private affairs is healthy, but this milk is already spilt so to speak.

Yeah it's a pickle. If I may stop trolling for a sec I have been in a situation where I had to assist someone in making this kind of accusation and the amount of effort made in presenting evidence and making sure context was clear in hours of message transcripts which were the only way to ensure it was useful. I ain't see that kind of effort here.
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