I like all versions of D&D, because they all run on the same formula:

Monsters interact with Classes via Spells and Magic Items.

The actual Monsters, Classes, Spells and Items are waht make the game.

So I couldn´t care less about D20. D20 is D&D without the cool stuff.

I voted yes I like D&D, but no I am not a D20 fan because frankly until this year I never played a D20 game, and as of right now the only D20 experience I have is playing D&D 3.5e. (I think that's a D20 system.)

I'm not opposed to D20, I just know very little about it.

Quote from: Abyssal MawBasic D&D - is hard for me to manage at the experience point level. If you use the system as-is, you end up with characters overburdened by gold.

Ale and whores, man ... ale and whores.

Or if you mean literally overburdened--don't gems, jewelry, and saleable magic items make the looting more manageable?

Quote from: Elliot WilenOr if you mean literally overburdened--don't gems, jewelry, and saleable magic items make the looting more manageable?

Well, the way that basic D&D is set up, there's not too many ways to dispose of your gold in the opening and mid-game. Magic items are not normally meant to be shoppable. The equipment list is fairly short. Everyone who can wear armor gets on the "Plate Mail" and Buys a Two-Handed Sword,... and thats it.

You can't buy a stronghold.. yet.

So the gold just sort of accumulates. By the time your'e hitting high level hoards, your'e pulling down up to a million gold per adventure. And it just stacks up!

Of course none of this is a concern if you aren't campaigning. If you aren't campaigning, you just play a module or an adventure here and there, it doesn't matter. But I swear it comes up!

Ok, I don't want to derail Calithena's thread. My apologies.

I voted yes but not a d20 fan. I like the boxed sets - red, blue, green (?) , gold.

Regards,
David R

Those are the Mentzer editions, David R.

I can vouch for Abyssal Maw that the huge piles of gold stack up in OD&D and AD&D unless you figure out something to do with it.

Buying magic items with it is not an acceptable solution to the problem, though I'll derail my own thread if I take that any further.

Quote from: CalithenaThose are the Mentzer editions, David R.

I can vouch for Abyssal Maw that the huge piles of gold stack up in OD&D and AD&D unless you figure out something to do with it.

Buying magic items with it is not an acceptable solution to the problem, though I'll derail my own thread if I take that any further.

Donate it to temples in the hopes you'll get +1 on your divine intervention roll?

Quote from: CalithenaThose are the Mentzer editions, David R.

I can vouch for Abyssal Maw that the huge piles of gold stack up in OD&D and AD&D unless you figure out something to do with it.

Buying magic items with it is not an acceptable solution to the problem, though I'll derail my own thread if I take that any further.

Sorry, I was talking about something else burdensome--getting the loot out of the dungeon. I totally agree that finding something to do with your money is something else. Tony's idea sounds good...any others probably belong in another thread, though.

Quote from: Elliot WilenSorry, I was talking about something else burdensome--getting the loot out of the dungeon. I totally agree that finding something to do with your money is something else. Tony's idea sounds good...any others probably belong in another thread, though.

I'll make a new thread.

Quote from: CalithenaThose are the Mentzer editions, David R.

I love those editions. As a GM (and player I suppose) you can really plan the whole campaign to build up to an epic storyline. You begin as adventurers, become heroes who are remembered as legends and finally legends become gods....good stuff IMHO of course

Regards,
David R

The Mentzer editions are probably my favorite published editions too, taken for what's actually there rather than for what's there in potential.

Steve Marsh, who worked with both Gygax and Stafford in the early days and is the third important contributor to Moldvay/Cook, was impressed by them too; he once said that even though the Heroquesting idea was originally Greg's in the gaming world, the Mentzer sets were the first published games to actually give you rules for doing it.

I voted "NO" , and that I am also NOT a D20 fan.

 However, again , if thats your faborite way to play - thats cool. Also, NOT saying its a bad game or bad rules system....its just not the one I prefer or am comfortable with.

Now if the really Nice Teresa from yesterday invited me to join her D&D campaign that is starting - I'm going to say a big YES!! to her . (you would too if you saw her or talked to her. )


- Ed C.

I am unrepentant fan of D&D's basic assumptions (classes, hit points, Vancian magic), but don't play any official version of D&D anymore, not even the C&C (as much as I respect it). The elfie-velfie just bothers me, plus I am arrogant enough to believe that my variant works better than any other possibility. But aren't we all?

Regarding d20, I like the basics. The universal resolution mechanic, the saves and all that are rock solid. They don't get in the way. Hell, base 3e without the supplements is not a terribly complicated system at all. Unlike other oldschoolers, I like tactical combat, even Attacks of Opportunity. However, I also believe that d20 is full of rules for their own sake that don't really make the game more enjoyable. This has even leaked into the perspective some fans have. There is also an intangible but bothersome current of thought which has gained recognition in official sources -- the assumption that the game is in need of regulations to restrain "DM abuse", both regarding tinkering with rules, but also running adventures in an "unacceptable" way. I don't like this discourse at all. It does lead to a kind of "fairness", but it is one I consider boring.

Of course, most of this is not a problem with a good group. I have been lucky to play with people who took it easy and focused on getting a good experience out of our sessions. However, as it stands now, I'd rather run my own thing, and since the people at the table are willing, I'm doing just that.

Meh, yes and yes.