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Players who never learn the rules?

Started by RPGPundit, November 02, 2012, 12:23:45 PM

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Planet Algol

#90
November 06, 2012, 10:09:27 PM
Poor math skills annoy me far more than lack of rules knowledge.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

TristramEvans

#91
November 06, 2012, 10:16:29 PM
math distracting from roleplaying annoys me far more than players who don't learn the rules.

Blackhand

#92
November 06, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
Players who don't learn roleplaying annoy me far less than rules that require math.
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Doctor Jest

#93
November 08, 2012, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Blackhand;597680If you ever say "the rules don't matter" don't fucking expect your players to give a shit about them.  Let alone anything you say about them when using them in an argument.  

I don't expect them to give a shit about them. I expect them to remember (not care about, but remember) "roll the d20" like I've told them 100 times in a row by the 101st time it comes up. My cat is capable of this level of learning. I don't think it's a terribly high standard to hold an adult human being to.

QuoteWhy should they learn them if they are not enforced, bent or broken every time they are referenced?

The Middle just called me to complain about how you've been excluding it.

Doctor Jest

#94
November 08, 2012, 02:02:43 PM
Quote from: Blackhand;598136Players who don't learn roleplaying annoy me far less than rules that require math.

Me too, if only because players who don't learn roleplaying aren't going to be around long enough to be a major annoyance.

Bill

#95
November 08, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;598132math distracting from roleplaying annoys me far more than players who don't learn the rules.

This.

Despite my nostalgia for games like rolemaster,

I prefer rules lite systems for this reason.


The two main things that ruin immerssion for me are intrusive rules, and horrid metagame mechanics.

Benoist

#96
November 08, 2012, 03:06:50 PM
Well to be fair to Rolemaster, once you have the characters nailed down and that you have the right bookmarks at the right places in Arms Law, it's a breathe to run the thing, honestly.

Bill

#97
November 08, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: Benoist;598585Well to be fair to Rolemaster, once you have the characters nailed down and that you have the right bookmarks at the right places in Arms Law, it's a breathe to run the thing, honestly.



Its a wee bit addition heavy :)


Worth it for the critical hits I think.

RPGPundit

#98
November 08, 2012, 03:36:06 PM
I've never run into a player who "doesn't learn roleplaying".  Obviously, a few who take a bit more time than others to figure out the nuances of roleplaying etiquette and things like that, yes.

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#99
November 08, 2012, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: Bill;598579The two main things that ruin immerssion for me are intrusive rules, and horrid metagame mechanics.

Agreed.

Sandepande

#100
November 08, 2012, 03:46:08 PM
I put our group through new rules every year or two, and the mechanics tend to vary so much that they have no real hope of keeping up.

So, I simply say "roll high" or "roll low" and eventually they get the hang of it, but I don't bother them with the rules that much.

fellowhoodlum

#101
November 08, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
There's this guy in my group, six months into my Exalted campaign, he keeps asking what size die we use for the game.

After being in the game for several months.  He even asks when there are piles of D10s in front of the other players.

And he runs a VTM campaign.

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#102
November 09, 2012, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: fellowhoodlum;598736There's this guy in my group, six months into my Exalted campaign, he keeps asking what size die we use for the game.

After being in the game for several months.  He even asks when there are piles of D10s in front of the other players.

And he runs a VTM campaign.

I find this hard to believe.

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#103
November 09, 2012, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: Sandepande;598613I put our group through new rules every year or two, and the mechanics tend to vary so much that they have no real hope of keeping up.

So, I simply say "roll high" or "roll low" and eventually they get the hang of it, but I don't bother them with the rules that much.

Every "year or two"?

We change on an average of 15 weeks.
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Sandepande

#104
November 09, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Blackhand;598905Every "year or two"?

We change on an average of 15 weeks.

What can I say, we're old and slow!
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