Well with their 1.2 non-announcement - I don't see any particular gaming studios budging from their course. I *do* see a lot of players and GM and online streaming folks vocally disavowing WotC (at least for now).

I also have heard that other d20 (OSR) games are gaining a lot of interest. I'd love to know if any local designers here are seeing any traction?

For non-d20 systems, I've seen Free League is jumping all over this, and promoting the hell out of their system and settings and their upcoming Open Gaming license. I know Pinnacle Games, already has their own licensing program and their books are flying off the shelves, in fact their core print books are now temporarily out of stock, and Savage Rifts boxset just went out of stock temporarily. I've heard from local retailer that Blades in the Dark has had a large uptick in sales and interest too.

Anyone else following other lines hear/see anything like this?

We are also a vocal minority.  I'm betting the majority of D&D 5E players will just keep on playing. 

I'm not playing D&D, but that's because I don't like the rules.  I never disliked the companies that wrote the rules. To me it's about game rules that are easy to play, but logical. 

Hit points that skyrocket is weird.  Savings throws for specific attacks is weird.  Vancian magic amnesia is weird. 

Give me games that don't do that.  Palladium Fantasy.  Dragon Warriors (hardback book is on the way), Shadow of the Demon Lord.  Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool or the D20 red book.  Tiny D6 series for ease of play and variety of settings to rival Palladium Books.  Those are my games. Even Mini-six Bare Bones, with the old OGL in the back for no reason (hoping the 2nd Edition is still on track and switches to some other copyright).   

Those are the games I recommend right now. 

So, I'm good right now, but I'm hardly typical. 

The only info I'm interested in is how the revenue and sales numbers of other RPGs have changed.

I bet a lot of folks have gone ahead, and purchased print copies of 3rd party books that have been on their wish lists for a while.  I just recently purchased a couple of large 3rd party adventures, which had been on my wish list for a long time.  Both were printed with 5E stats.  I barely got to review them, before this OGL debacle started.  Oh well....

I already own 5e, and i already own a pile of stuff for 5E.  It's not like I'm going to dump it, but I sure don't want to give "more" money to WOTC.  They are anathema to me, from here on out.

I hope the 3rd party publishers are able to persevere, and prosper.

Most of the YouTubers I follow whose focus was 5e are featuring or openly moving to alternatives.

What they each chose has been interesting. One big surprise was Dungeon Masterpiece declaring Index Card RPG the best alternative to get D&D feel both for playing and writing content for sale.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 19, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
We are also a vocal minority.  I'm betting the majority of D&D 5E players will just keep on playing.

I agree, but keeping playing 5e is one thing. Continuing to play official D&D when it moves to 6e is another.

How that split goes is what I'm interested in seeing.

Troll Lord has seen a huge influx of folks on their forums, as well as orders, in the last week. They had a bit of an order backlog, too.

Anecdotal, but I've seen an increase online in the past week on people asking about Mythras and Worlds Withoit Number (no idea if that's translated any further, though).

Quote from: PulpHerb on January 19, 2023, 09:07:00 PM
Most of the YouTubers I follow whose focus was 5e are featuring or openly moving to alternatives.

What they each chose has been interesting. One big surprise was Dungeon Masterpiece declaring Index Card RPG the best alternative to get D&D feel both for playing and writing content for sale.

Feel free to share. I'd really like to support creators who are trying out new RPGs.

I actually had a co-worker mention this to me. He didn't 100% understand it, but he knew about it.

Given most OSR games rely on the SRD, I don't think it's any great salvation for it., especially as if they try to move away from the SRD and use weird terms and monsters and such, it basically becomes one of a million fantasy heartbreakers that tried to out do D&D but didn't and lose the interoperability of OSR products with each other.

The OSR will be fine.

All the OSR titles becoming "fantasy heartbreakers" will still be 90% (or more) compatible with each other and TSR era D&D which is all the OSR fandom really cares about.

Those in the OSR who demand 100% compatibility with their fav D&D edition were never an audience for 3PP stuff anyway, even back in the day.

Also, I'm not buying the OGL 1.0 panic. My bet is WotC only cares about 5e/6e and isn't going to chase down legacy edition "offenders" who aren't trying creating 5e/6e content because WotC doesn't value their legacy fans. That attitude will only increase once they make the jump from a tabletop RPG to a VTT / online game.

Among my group of players & GMs (about 25 people), the most common view is that we'll keep playing 5e, but will spend more time with other games. Some people are moving to other games for their GMing, one who only plays online is moving to Basic Fantasy, she was also thinking of C&C, but BFRPG being reliably free in pdf is a big advantage.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 19, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
We are also a vocal minority.  I'm betting the majority of D&D 5E players will just keep on playing. 

But perhaps a large enough minority, and a growing minority, that can sustain an industry without D&D.

Great question. I'd be very interested to see if the boosted interest is somewhat sustained or just a momentary pop, almost like a seasonal event.

I always go back to the relatively micro-sized footprint this hobby has coupled with GMs being the main source of income.

Still playing 5E is one thing. You've already bought the books, and burning them may be therapeutic but it's pointless.

Now, if they've dropped their Beyond account and have no plans to pick up 6E, that's another story.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on January 20, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
Still playing 5E is one thing. You've already bought the books, and burning them may be therapeutic but it's pointless.

Now, if they've dropped their Beyond account and have no plans to pick up 6E, that's another story.

Anecdotally, the one 5e group I'm aware of intends to keep playing 5e from their books, but every member canceled their DnDBeyond subscriptions (only about half the table even had one, but now none do).