Welp I'm one of the few 3rd edition WFRP fans here so I'm not too interested in their version of the rules for the Old World.  FFG has me covered.

But as a big fan of the new Age of Sigmar lore I'm eagerly anticipating their Mortal Realms edition.

Quote from: baragei;996850I might be slightly biased, but if they crumpled the licence into an aerodynamically sound projectile and chucked it at The Design Mechanism, I'd be more stoked.

That would be my actual real dream preference... along with removing any clauses from the license that allow current GW to fiddle with the resulting game.

While I can't (and won't) speak to all the folks who have all the WHFRP stuff... in my gaming circle the 1st edition of the game has suddenly caught fire.

Now, we might be best served by sticking with what we have (PDFs and old battered copies) but the fact is not everyone who might be interested in a given old, OOP game has it. So new editions are helpful.

The key will be what is done with the game. As stated above, the fact that WHFRP works despite itself is kind of a miracle (and all those rough edges actually are the charm.) The further it moves away from what we love, the less likely anyone in my gaming circles is likely to buy it. But if it is close and better? Sure!

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;996883The further it moves away from what we love, the less likely anyone in my gaming circles is likely to buy it. But if it is close and better? Sure!

Yeah, this is the key... Getting that balance just right.

Some people claimed that 3e was a 'success'. It definitely gained traction with new players. But it was pretty much universally panned by most of the old school players. I think C7 are well aware of that fact, so I think (or hope) they might just try and iron out the kinks instead of going 'elsewhere' for new and shiny mechanics.

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;996645Well, we've sealed ourselves in the building where he lives and have found his apartment. There are books. In Latin. My character is the only one who speaks Latin.

We're hoping we find something useful in the books.

We'll see how my roll goes.

Keep us posted:)! It seems like you have a real opportunity to stumble across the Necronomicon...

Quote from: baragei;996850I might be slightly biased, but if they crumpled the licence into an aerodynamically sound projectile and chucked it at The Design Mechanism, I'd be more stoked.
WFRP is one of my top3 favorite games, it somehow works despite all its glaring flaws, and the setting is (was) second to none. But I already have enough Warhammer to fill both a bookshelf and a hard drive, I'm not sure if I need more. Still, if they manage to refire it and fix it up in process, that's a huge win for the gaming community.

Quote from: Simlasa;996857That would be my actual real dream preference... along with removing any clauses from the license that allow current GW to fiddle with the resulting game.

Dreaming is free, but while I'd also like it, I strongly doubt that would happen;).

Quote from: The Exploited.;996909Yeah, this is the key... Getting that balance just right.

Some people claimed that 3e was a 'success'. It definitely gained traction with new players. But it was pretty much universally panned by most of the old school players. I think C7 are well aware of that fact, so I think (or hope) they might just try and iron out the kinks instead of going 'elsewhere' for new and shiny mechanics.

I wanted to love 3e, it certainly felt right.

But I never could get into it, sadly, I just bounced off the mechanics really hard.

Quote from: Motorskills;996955I wanted to love 3e, it certainly felt right.

But I never could get into it, sadly, I just bounced off the mechanics really hard.

Yeah, I know the feeling... I just couldn't get into it either. It just wasn't WFRP for me... Especially, as Black Industries was doing a great job just before. Fingers crossed for 4e!

Everyone can rest assured. There will be nothing even remotely 3e in it.

My wishlist for C7 version:

Career system intact

Reducing the whiff factor.
While realistic with bad dice combats can take forever. We once had a bad run of dice rolling that had a combat last at least 30 mins. It's a bug not a feature imo. While some might like wasting time at a game table missing their opponents. Most fans that I know hated and still hate the whiff factor.

-Not a complete rehash with better production values.

We have Zweihander and 1E/2E Warhammer. No need to copy it exactly word for word. Otherwise no real reason to buy the core and mostly the world sourcebooks. Streamline troublesome mechanics. It does not have to be another 3E. Neither does it have to remain the same.

Classic sourcebooks

Like the Skaven sourcebook, Chaos sourcebook from 2E. No vanity projects of sourcebooks of areas that none of the fans want and are impossible to visit in the setting.



The whole deal with Green Ronin losing the 2E license left a sour taste in my mouth at the time. GR expected GW to what for a infinite amount of time on the IP while GR polled their fanbase as to whether or not they should renew. Were they not doing market research while working on new books.  That's something that should have been done before. Mind you GW is not blameless either in the affair.

Quote from: sureshot;997024The whole deal with Green Ronin losing the 2E license left a sour taste in my mouth at the time. GR expected GW to what for a infinite amount of time on the IP while GR polled their fanbase as to whether or not they should renew. Were they not doing market research while working on new books.  That's something that should have been done before. Mind you GW is not blameless either in the affair.

FFG. It was Fantasy Flight Games that took over during 2nd edition from Black Industries, not Green Ronin. I'm just thankful that FFG put out some really solid books, especially the Career Compendium to help with character creation.

Personally, I'm not sure what to expect from a 4th edition. I have a nearly complete set of 2nd edition books that work just fine, so the new edition has to offer something new for me to want to spend money on it. That's the one thing Age of Sigmar has going for it; it's something different that I don't already have in the previous editions. Even though the setting of AoS strikes me as silly, I'm actually a little more excited about it just because it's new.

I just know that I wouldn't want to be in C7's shoes as it's gonna be tough trying to balance everyone's expectations.

Quote from: 3rik;996995Everyone can rest assured. There will be nothing even remotely 3e in it.

New edition of WFRP after the clusterfuck that was 3rd is welcome news. 3rd edition was badly conceived of an idea as 4th edition D&D.

Quote from: Willmark;997041New edition of WFRP after the clusterfuck that was 3rd is welcome news. 3rd edition was badly conceived of an idea as 4th edition D&D.

Probably worse.

One personal pet peeve: I hope they get rid of the silly mohawk hair on the dwarves in the artwork. That always rubbed me the wrong way.

Quote from: Brand55;997031FFG. It was Fantasy Flight Games that took over during 2nd edition from Black Industries, not Green Ronin. I'm just thankful that FFG put out some really solid books, especially the Career Compendium to help with character creation.

I now that FFG took over the license. Gr wanted to renew yet went about it the wrong way. FFG probably approached GW and gave them a firm offer. GR wanted to poll their fans first then give a firm offer. That's not how it works and GW gave it to FFG. It was so strange to see how Gr handled the entire affair. They knew that WHRP was doing well for them and it sold well. Why when going to renew not make a firm offer. One does not renew a rpg IP half assed and imo that's what they did. Not to defend GW I would have done the same thing. Two people want to buy my house. One is prepared to pay what I want immediately. The other is  "I don't know let me see, I need to talk to my wife etc". Out of the two the first will more than likely get the house.

If GR had done a proper offer if things would have been different. Chances are no Dragon Age or Fantasy age imo.

Quote from: Brand55;997031I just know that I wouldn't want to be in C7's shoes as it's gonna be tough trying to balance everyone's expectations.

C7 like Wotc when doing 5E should not try and please everyone. One way or the other they will lose fans. Too different and they will lose fans. Too much of a rehash and one will lose fans. The system in 1E and 2E works very well yet I see no good reason why they can't improve on some problamatic aspects of the system. Starfinder is good example. Some complained about high level spells wrecking encounters at higher levels. They removed two levels and now people are complaining that Casters are nerfed. That the Fighter classes should have been upgraded. Except upgrade them too much and the same people cry foul because they are too powerful.

C7 is not going to please everyone nor should they. A attempt should be made of course it should be a tertiary priority imo.

Gotcha. Sorry, I thought you were meaning to say that GR was the one who had the license then lost it because they were screwing around.

Quote from: sureshot;997058C7 like Wotc when doing 5E should not try and please everyone. One way or the other they will lose fans. Too different and they will lose fans. Too much of a rehash and one will lose fans. The system in 1E and 2E works very well yet I see no good reason why they can't improve on some problamatic aspects of the system. Starfinder is good example. Some complained about high level spells wrecking encounters at higher levels. They removed two levels and now people are complaining that Casters are nerfed. That the Fighter classes should have been upgraded. Except upgrade them too much and the same people cry foul because they are too powerful.

C7 is not going to please everyone nor should they. A attempt should be made of course it should be a tertiary priority imo.

Oh, I know there's no pleasing everyone. That's a lost cause from the start. C7's difficulty will be deciding what changes to make, though. Drawing in new players while at the same time luring long-time players away from their older editions isn't easy. 3e was good at the former but not so much at the latter, going by the Internet chatter I've seen.

I guess the main things I'd like to see would be a cleaner, more-balanced career system, sourcebooks we haven't seen yet (elves, please), and refinements to the dice system that allow for less swingy dice rolling. It's not a problem I experienced much when I used to run 2e, but anything to help fights from getting bogged down would be nice.