Love that game with all my black heart. Hope they don't change a single damn thing.

Well they do have to implement some changes at least enough to warrant buying another core book. Otherwise why waste time and money developing a edition that has no changes. They are better off reissuing the second edition material back in print or POD with the C7 logo on it imo.

Quote from: sureshot;997109Well they do have to implement some changes at least enough to warrant buying another core book. Otherwise why waste time and money developing a edition that has no changes.

I'm not interested in change-for-change-sake... ala CoC7e (IMO!)... despite that being GW's mode of operation of random tweaking to drive new sales.

I'd be fine with a re-release of 1e or 2e and the sourcebooks... continuing on to new settings and adventures.

Quote from: 3rik;997051Probably worse.

One personal pet peeve: I hope they get rid of the silly mohawk hair on the dwarves in the artwork. That always rubbed me the wrong way.

Probably not, as those are Troll Slayers.  A very specific subset of shamed dwarves seeking a glorious doom.  They are identified by their Mohawks and tattoos.  The Gotrek & Felix novels provide a lot of information about this.

I'm actually a big fan of the changes in COC 7E. As it fixed some of the issues I have with the rules. I understand and respect wanting nothing to change. Yet I can't justify spending 40-60$ Canadian on a pure rehash with a new cover and better production values either. I don't want 3E as I'm acquiring a dislike of rpgs with propiaratry dice. Combat with bad dice rolls can go on for 30 mins to a hour.  Why not fix that. Swinging and misding constantly while realistic is not fun by any means imo.

Quote from: sureshot;997144Combat with bad dice rolls can go on for 30 mins to a hour.  Why not fix that. Swinging and misding constantly while realistic is not fun by any means imo.

Technically, nearly any RPG will have long battles if the dice are rolling poorly. I never had much of a problem with WFRP, but I was lucky in that my group was never one to take the approach of just running up to the enemy and whacking it until it stopped moving. Between various actions to make targets easier to strike, including Aim, and always trying to work together to gang up on enemies, they'd usually have anywhere from +20 to +40 to hit. Even with starting characters, hitting consistently was usually only a problem when things went south and they were unable to work together. Though I did eventually decide to make it so that Dodge/Parry didn't automatically negate a successful attack; the better roll decided whether or not the attack was negated.

Quote from: 3rik;997051Probably worse.

One personal pet peeve: I hope they get rid of the silly mohawk hair on the dwarves in the artwork. That always rubbed me the wrong way.

They are Troll-Slayers. It's one of the iconic things introduced in WFRP.

Quote from: sureshot;997144I'm actually a big fan of the changes in COC 7E. As it fixed some of the issues I have with the rules. I understand and respect wanting nothing to change. Yet I can't justify spending 40-60$ Canadian on a pure rehash with a new cover and better production values either. I don't want 3E as I'm acquiring a dislike of rpgs with propiaratry dice. Combat with bad dice rolls can go on for 30 mins to a hour.  Why not fix that. Swinging and misding constantly while realistic is not fun by any means imo.

Flatly, because your experience is not universal. I've played WFRP lots of times, in both 1st and 2nd editions. With the right approach, like employing certain combat manoeuvres or working in team strategies, our groups have not shared your experiences of prolonged, un-engaging combat. The system as per 2nd edition in particular ran precisely to the level that out groups found fun and meaningful. It's as simple as that really.

Also, WFRP characters are kind of supposed to suck at first.  Once you actually get some skills and raise your WS/BS, you have a dramatic increase in effectiveness.

But, facing one's enemy directly and slugging it out should be the last resort whether you're one lone ratcatcher or the Grand Army of Talabec.  Team up, soften 'em up with missile weapons and grenades, ambush 'em, and have an Ogre/Trollslayer/Templar of the White Wolf handy.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;997230They are Troll-Slayers. It's one of the iconic things introduced in WFRP.

Absolutely... Removing that you'd probably have a mutiny on your hands.

Quote from: CRKrueger;997263Also, WFRP characters are kind of supposed to suck at first.  Once you actually get some skills and raise your WS/BS, you have a dramatic increase in effectiveness.

Definitely... Also, if for some reason your group didn't want to climb the slippery WFRP ladder. You could also give your characters a couple of free advances in weapon skill. Job done... Personally, I like starting off kinda crap just suits the games' style imo.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;997230They are Troll-Slayers. It's one of the iconic things introduced in WFRP.

Do they get access to magical hairspray upon becoming troll-slayers?

Quote from: 3rik;997313Do they get access to magical hairspray upon becoming troll-slayers?

If you consider pig grease to be magical, then yes.

Yeah, Slayers aren't exactly pleasant to be around.  There are a number of things keeping their hair bright orange and well spiked and I'm pretty sure none of them are easy on the nostrils.

As much as I find the Mohawk look silly. It is a iconic look. It should remain imo.

In the Felix and Gotrex series of novels it was sad to see a fellow Trollslayer succumb to what I can only assume is Alzheimer as well as getting slower in battle. It's one thing for a slayer to slow down as he gets older. It was another to forget the reason why he become one in the first place. On a profound level it seemed to scare Gotrek he easily could become like Snorri.

@trippy

Flatly I never said my experience was universal. So why you assumed that is beyond me. I suppose I have to word my gaming experiences as anecdotal.

It seems to bother you that I want more that just a rehash. I make no apologies for that. I work hard for my money like everyone else. For C7 to get me to buy the new core they need to offer more than the same run down house with a new coat of paint.

I would consider C7 being disingenuous if they change nothing yet call it 4E. Nothing more than a cash grab imo. This is from someone for who C7 is a favored rpg publisher. I may like them I'm not going to support them if they offer me a rehash disguised as a new edition.

Quote from: Brand55;997317If you consider pig grease to be magical, then yes.

Pig grease as well as the blood of their enemies.