Quote from: jibbajibba;631654but you were never nearly chopped in half by an axe were you. Your movement rate didn't decrease, your attack wasn't affected, you could still bench press 300lbs and carry 150 unencumbered, you could still swim, climb, jump...

Like I said I didn't like that so I added a wound system under hit points.

I always approached it as you were seriously wounded. This certainly is a simplification, but hp are simple and D&D just doesnt have stuff like wound penalties.

QuoteBut HP as written really can't be physical can they unless we start to introduce a death spiral based on % of HP lost (10% -1 to al rolls etc etc )
Even then a 10HP blow with an axe is the same to a 5th level guy with 50 hp as a 1 hp blow with an axe to a 1st level guy with 5 hp, so its not like it nearly had his arm off.....

Sure they can, the system is just simple and glosses over the effects of being harmed like that. But hp have always included physical damage, and a lot of groups leaned more heavily on the physical side of damage than the mojo side. For me, this regeneration of hp presents all the same issues (more in fact) as healing surges and second wind in terms of believability. I get that for you this isnt a problem as you dont see hp as wounds, but believe me when i say manyof us do see them as being on the physical side and fast mundane heals are a big believability issue for us (true hp has other believability issues, but those were tolerable for the sake of simplicity).

Quote from: Black Vulmea;631653Well, how else is a fighter supposed to battle a dragon without mother-may-I? It's just a magical tea party if they can't.

Use the 4E approach. When in combat, the dragon can't really fly, merely hop. It can fly overland but if it tries to chew gum at the same time it crashes.

So much for the iconic dragon strafing an entire village in fiery death.

Looks like WOTC getting its head of outs own ass regarding D&D was a pipe dream. Reprints all the way!!

Quote from: Exploderwizard;631657Use the 4E approach. When in combat, the dragon can't really fly, merely hop.

There is no way this can be true.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;631658There is no way this can be true.

The rules got updated in the Compendium, don't know what changes were made but the initial flight rules required a creature to land at the end of its movement each turn unless it was in overland flight.

While in overland flight you can't do anything else useful or you will crash. So no flying around, staying aloft and attacking permitted. It would be unfun for ground bound melee characters who couldn't use thier best special powers vs fliers.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;631662The rules got updated in the Compendium, don't know what changes were made but the initial flight rules required a creature to land at the end of its movement each turn unless it was in overland flight.

While in overland flight you can't do anything else useful or you will crash. So no flying around, staying aloft and attacking permitted. It would be unfun for ground bound melee characters who couldn't use thier best special powers vs fliers.

This was my big beef with how they did things in 4E, the peceived needs of the game always took precedence over the demands of the setting and the flavor. I think you do need to make some concessions to the game but it was just too much in 4E, and for me this rule for healing seems quite similar to that design approach (i.e. it is no fun to wait to heal, so everyone is better after 8 hours of rest).

Quote from: Exploderwizard;631662The rules got updated in the Compendium, don't know what changes were made but the initial flight rules required a creature to land at the end of its movement each turn unless it was in overland flight.

While in overland flight you can't do anything else useful or you will crash. So no flying around, staying aloft and attacking permitted. It would be unfun for ground bound melee characters who couldn't use thier best special powers vs fliers.

How incredibly stupid.  That just screams, "boardgame mechanics more important over role-play."

It's an interesting observation to see people here bitching that the healing rate is way too fast, while seeing people at TBP bitching that there's not enough healing and Mearls is actively trying to screw all 4e fans.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;631667It's an interesting observation to see people here bitching that the healing rate is way too fast, while seeing people at TBP bitching that there's not enough healing and Mearls is actively trying to screw all 4e fans.

I am seeing the same thing. But I do think level per hour is way too fast for a baseline. Granted i can change it. But 1 hp per level/hour is a significant change to the pace of natural healing if you played up through 3E. So it shouldn't be a surprise the 3E/pathfinder/Ad&d crowd are not on board with it.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;631667It's an interesting observation to see people here bitching that the healing rate is way too fast, while seeing people at TBP bitching that there's not enough healing and Mearls is actively trying to screw all 4e fans.

This is why trying to gather such extremely different groups under the same ruleset, regardless of variable rule switches isn't really going to work.

Old school D&D and 4E are just very different games that happen to share a brand name.

I would post the 'bat slap' meme, with Robin saying: "I heal 100 hitpoints, then onto the next encounter!", before being slapped by Batman saying: "You're not fucking Wolverine! You're a D&D THIEF!" but, I won't.

Quote from: elfandghost;631693I would post the 'bat slap' meme, with Robin saying: "I heal 100 hitpoints, then onto the next encounter!", before being slapped by Batman saying: "You're not fucking Wolverine! You're a D&D THIEF!" but, I won't.

probably a good idea.  I brought the bat slap meme to these shores and awoke a great and terrible evil.

Quote from: elfandghost;631693I would post the 'bat slap' meme, with Robin saying: "I heal 100 hitpoints, then onto the next encounter!", before being slapped by Batman saying: "You're not fucking Wolverine! You're a D&D THIEF!" but, I won't.

It is, after all, the thought that counts.

D&D Next: Because those healing tents in Final Fantasy are such a great idea for a tabletop RPG!

Guys they have put in a rule that lets you set heal times to whatever you want for your game.
That is the rule.

You heal level HP per

So I get that the OSR crowd don't like per hour so that's fine right becuase they don't have to use it then can use per day which is 3e healing or they can house rule. Now the last step is a house rule but Level HP/Day is one of the core options and just as valid as Level HP/hour.

Effectively people seems to be saying that their play style must be the default play style. I bet even if the whole healing rule isn't written as

PCs heal Level HP/Hour
Option : You can modify per hour to per 4 hours, 8 hours or 24 hours to suit your play style

but is written as

The DM sets the heal rate for their game it can vary from level per turn for very fast high combat games to level per day for a more traditional style play.

The OSR crew will still complain because individual DMs and players might be playing a flavour of the game that they don't agree with.
WTF!!

Quote from: jibbajibba;631634that is all it takes "we rest for x hours"
Now I am not a big fan of crunch but I reckon I could handle that....

Unfortunately, that only works if you rest after everything. My groups generally do not. Say they are traveling through dangerous wilderness. That's two random encounter checks, one in the morning, one in the afternoon. With per day healing, I don't need any more time info that this.

With per hour healing, if there are two encounters that day, I have to know exactly what time in the morning and in the afternoon the encounters take place and each character has to take up play time figuring how much they have healed since the morning encounter. I have to do this for any NPCs traveling with the group at the same time I should be setting up the "monsters" from this random encounter. Oh and all the hirelings need to have their HP recalculated too.  No thanks. Far too much bookwork for too little gain, especially given my sandbox/random encounters style of play.