The company is coming out with a new edition of Eclipse Phase this year. The link: http://eclipsephase.com/eclipse-phase-second-edition-be-released-2017 . I'm assuming for either Gencon or a Christmans release. Of course when someone on their Facebook page asked if the art would be as good as the first edition.

The response was:

We have some great pieces in already for the new book, you'll see some when we launch the kickstarter. There's art from a lot of the same fantastic illustrators we've used previously and a number of new ones, including many more contributions from women artists this time around.



Why the need to point out that they were including more art by female artists. A simple " More art from the previous artist as as well as some new ones". That's it. No need to go " look at us we also hired more female artist ". Is this going to be the new trend for rpg companies. Promoting a new product with the obligatory mention of having female artists and authors as members of the development. Before anyone accuses me of being misogynistic or against women. I'm not. I don't care if the person working for a company is male, female, transgendered gay or a damn space alien. Person should be hired on their skills and knowledge and experience. Not on their gender. Companies are essentially saying that unless women get hired on purpose that they can't get by on their own. How does that help the cause of women in general.

Not every single RPG company will do this, but the known SJWs will because it is marketing that gets them like-minded customers and also reinforces their political beliefs, that the gaming scene is so toxic due to white patriarchy that women need a safe space to participate in the hobby.

Either you're someone who thinks that idea is true, and thus you like the practice, or you're someone who thinks that idea is horseshit, if not actually harmful to women, and so think it's cynical marketing and most definitely Not Helping.

We pretty much already know who thinks what, so all we're going to do here is "Is Not/Is Too" about the core political idea itself.

To be honest, posting against the topic is just going to give the SJWs ammunition to prove their "toxic masculinity" theme.

"Nice marketing gimmick, *yawn*" is probably the best way to respond.

More virtue-signaling to the cucks and outrage brigade.

One more studio added to my 'do not support' list.

Quote from: CRKrueger;958578"Nice marketing gimmick, *yawn*" is probably the best way to respond.

I can get behind that. Sign me up for Team Don't Care One Way Or The Other.

ETA: ... though it's kind of sad that we have a political climate where I feel that apathy is something that I need to take a stand for...

So they merely acknowledged that in their new edition, they have more of their artists being women than in their previous edition--no mention of having specifically sought out women or anything of the sort--and this is comparable to GR's actions and/or evidence of women can't succeed without some form of affirmative action? I'm not saying it wouldn't be a problem if it were, but from what you said, I'm not seeing it.

Quote from: Baeraad;958582I can get behind that. Sign me up for Team Don't Care One Way Or The Other.

ETA: ... though it's kind of sad that we have a political climate where I feel that apathy is something that I need to take a stand for...

Whole-heartedly agree.

If I were running a game company I'd hire entirely radical feminisits and put "NOW WITH EXTRA SOCIAL JUSTICE" and "DESIGNED ENTIRELY BY WOMEN" on every product just to piss off some of the posters around here.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;958586So they merely acknowledged that in their new edition, they have more of their artists being women than in their previous edition--no mention of having specifically sought out women or anything of the sort--and this is comparable to GR's actions and/or evidence of women can't succeed without some form of affirmative action?

Only if you're a rampaging fuckmorton sitting around in a pile of your own rancid shit.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958591If I were running a game company I'd hire entirely radical feminisits and put "NOW WITH EXTRA SOCIAL JUSTICE" and "DESIGNED ENTIRELY BY WOMEN" on every product just to piss off some of the posters around here.

I'm kind of wondering why MRAs aren't forming their own companies, and making game products for their own kind. By their logic, the mass boycotts of *snicker* dying companies like GR should return the hobby to it's proper ownership, as they make it sounds like there are so many like minded folks out there that their own product line would result in immediate financial success and market share.

I'll keep an eye on this since I like games that deal with transhumanism, which I imagine is another trigger considering you can transcend wetware let alone gender.

Kind of "Meh." They're pimping an aspect of their book to a specific crowd. That's nothing new. Isn't Postmortem the company kicked vocal MRAs off its website? So this seems more like dialing it back comparatively.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958591If I were running a game company I'd hire entirely radical feminisits and put "NOW WITH EXTRA SOCIAL JUSTICE" and "DESIGNED ENTIRELY BY WOMEN" on every product just to piss off some of the posters around here.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958592Only if you're a rampaging fuckmorton sitting around in a pile of your own rancid shit.

I'm not certain but I'm getting the impression you feel strongly about this. But let us how know how you really feel?  

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958592Only if you're a rampaging fuckmorton sitting around in a pile of your own rancid shit.

Gamer hygiene or lack thereof aside, this does seem a lot like picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight.

Look, we just started a thread on this site to remind people of the various contributions of female creators. It is not something on the forefront of most gamers minds. Most of the gamer/publisher celebrities are men. There needs to be more buzz for all creators. This focus on female creators is not to disparage male creators, but instead is more like a "hey, look, women do this too and so can you" campaign. It's raising the noise level on participation to encourage more participation.

Eclipse Phase is a beautifully illustrated creatively written setting. I believe the system is more complicated and specific to itself as to be more complicated to learn and GM than needed. If they clean up the skills, refine re-sleaving and perhaps streamline combat I think 2e would be a system I can get behind. I already own all the 1e books except threats, so as far as a setting goes I have all I need.

Quote from: trechriron;958601This focus on female creators is not to disparage male creators, but instead is more like a "hey, look, women do this too and so can you" campaign.

I figure if I get to a point where one of my messes of words coalesces into an actual game that renting Indesign and tapping some people I know who can give advice on self publishing should be more than sufficient that I really wouldn't need a game company to hold my hand. How other companies conduct their business is their own business. I'm sure if someone were really offended and not just internet offended they'd be taking legal action anyway.

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I'm glad to hear that Eclipse Phase has stopped mulching women with a wood chipper. Good for them.

The density of let's-talk-about-gender-issues threads around here is, if nothing else, noticeable as of late. As someone with a rather moderated, I-didn't-come-here-to-talk-about-politics stance on these things, I'm finding it is getting in the way of the thoughtful, gaming-related discussions I come here for. Obviously it's not all about me, I don't get to make these decisions, and of course I don't want to silence anyone, but it is making me wonder what exactly is up.

For all the talk we usually put down here about how politically partisan a certain other site is, this is beginning to feel like the exact same thing, except mirror imaged enantiomers on the other side of the political spectrum (obviously there isn't mod-enforced toeing of the line, so it's not exactly the same).

Quote from: Nexus;958599I'm not certain but I'm getting the impression you feel strongly about this. But let us how know how you really feel?

Or perhaps he's just getting annoyed.

Quote from: Krimson;958600Gamer hygiene or lack thereof aside, this does seem a lot like picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight.

Quote from: Krimson;958603How other companies conduct their business is their own business. I'm sure if someone were really offended and not just internet offended they'd be taking legal action anyway.

That's what this is, internet offense. But of course it's the other side that is the outrage brigade.