I was looking forward to posting "get woke, go broke" but it's too early, they're a thousand away with two days to go, so still in reach.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1056315The question I'd want to ask:

"Define 'Nazi'."

Well, that's the trick, isn't it?  If you get them on the record they mean actual, literal nazis.  But I remember when "punch a nazi" and "bash a fash" first came out, and were immediately followed by assaults on men and women wearing MAGA hats or known to have voted for Trump.  So it's pretty clear "nazi" is a stand-in for Trump voter or supporter of enforcing long-standing laws on immigration.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1056300And RPG.NET's forum is purple for a reason.

They're all into auto-erotic asphyxiation?

Quote from: Dave R;1056377Well, that's the trick, isn't it?  If you get them on the record they mean actual, literal nazis.

On the record, they literally said "if you self-identify as a Nazi", so their own personal definition isn't relevant. You might as well be arguing "So you call every Nazi you disagree with a Nazi?"

They didn't say "If you're a Nazi (by some nebulous, goalpost-shifting standard), then fuck off". They said "If you call yourself a Nazi, then fuck off". Regardless of anything else they've said, I think that's something everybody can agree with (except maybe people who proudly say "I'm a Nazi").

Quote from: TJS;1056301(It's also bizarrely ruling out the idea that people unsympathetic to the game's politics might play the game and become sympathetic.  Which, while obviously not likely to happen, would seem to be a necessary possibility if you want to claim your game to have political content in any meaningful sense).

This.

They're not trying to sway their opponents, or stand up for the oppressed, but close ranks.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1056320What moron starts a Kickstarter without funds to top it off if he needs to?

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*sheepishly raises hand*

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056345When people mention MRAs, I inevitably first think of Karen Straughan, who has spoken more intelligently and coherently about feminism than any feminist I have yet heard.

She also thinks Mister Metokur is out to destroy Honey Badger Radio.


So she's just as paranoid, irrational, and hypocritical as any other SJW.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056349I'm mocking the idea that they can curate who likes their RPG.

Twisp And Catsby beat you to it.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1056371I had an epiphany a couple of years back: if J.R.R. Tolkien, an orthodox, traditionally inclined Catholic, chaste husband and father, and political minarchist/reactionary, can have his work adopted and to some extent appropriated by free-loving neopagans and hippies, then the relationship between creator, creation and fandom can be far more fraught than a lot of people would like to admit.

That led me to the interesting question regarding kickstarter. If I go and back this project and then identify myself as an MRA/Nazi/whatever before it funds, can the author refuse my funding before the kickstarter ends? Under kickstarter rules can my funding be refused? If I send this kickstarter into being funded, can the author then automatically decide to refund me once the kickstarter has ended?

How do you even police this once it gets sold in the public domain? If the pdf goes on sale at drivethru, will you now have to fill in preferences for your account details, "Please tick the following box if you identify as a Nazi, MRA etc.' "?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1056371Trying to bring this back to gaming, am I still allowed to be a fan of Savage Worlds, Pendragon/Paladin, and pre-WotC D&D? I know I'm already a renegade when it comes to 4E D&D, Star Wars and Star Trek.

Do they or their authors have some secret agenda that I don't know about? Have they indicated that their product only be sold to 'certain' people?

Quote from: ponta1010;1056389Do they or their authors have some secret agenda that I don't know about? Have they indicated that their product only be sold to 'certain' people?

  It's a bit of dark humor based on the spreading idea that "we don't want fans who aren't sufficiently 'woke'."

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1056388

[video=youtube_share;ElXBhGhiRfQ]https://youtu.be/ElXBhGhiRfQ[/youtube]

So she's just as paranoid, irrational, and hypocritical as any other SJW.

That's a whole can of worms to open up. I'll say that Jim wanted to use the testimonial of an ex-MRA friend of hers who seems to be in the throes of some kind of mental issues. She was personally upset by Metokur, and did get a bit off the hook over it.

https://youtu.be/WKR34VNHHXo

Jim is out to fuck with everyone for lolz to impress his teenage audience. Sometimes he succeeds.

Quote from: Xuc xac;1056384On the record, they literally said "if you self-identify as a Nazi", so their own personal definition isn't relevant. You might as well be arguing "So you call every Nazi you disagree with a Nazi?"

They didn't say "If you're a Nazi (by some nebulous, goalpost-shifting standard), then fuck off". They said "If you call yourself a Nazi, then fuck off". Regardless of anything else they've said, I think that's something everybody can agree with (except maybe people who proudly say "I'm a Nazi").

   Yes, but there's a bit of breadth in the full statement, though:

QuoteI support feminism's basic principle: treating women as people. Free Spacer is an inclusive game that has the idea of social justice ingrained within it. I have never hidden my politics or claimed to be unbiased. I believe we live in a world where patriarchy and male privilege are real, ongoing problems, and equality for all people, regardless of sex, is a worthy goal.

On top of this, I believe in intersectionality. I stand in solidarity with women, PoC, indigenous peoples, LGBTQ2+, and anyone marginalised. The world is not fair and the patriarchy is a white straight wealthy patriarchy. The future needs to get better and it is up to everyone of us, as we make our way in the world, to make it better.

I want the Free Phase community to be one that is inclusive of all viewpoints, but must draw a line when there is a viewpoint that insists on attacking and offending others as an essential aspect of its existence. Free Spacer is about the future, you can use it to tackle many issues, but you should always do so with respect.

I find the politics of MRAs, Nazis, and their ilk to be toxic, offensive, and completely removed from reality. No matter how they may like to cloak their beliefs in the language of inclusiveness and equality, they support neither, and instead fulminate against the loss of privilege long afforded one half of society at the cost of another. Those who must attack the idea of another's equality to better preserve their own benefits are not the sort we wish to encourage. They're likely to do more harm than good in their toxic concern trolling and false equivalencies. So, I am making clear my stance on the issue and the type of community to which we would like to belong.

Here's my stance, the one that I share with Posthuman Studios: If you self-define as an MRA, nazi, or similar, please do not show up. I don't want you. My community doesn't have room for you. I want to be open and inclusive, but Free Spacer is not the place to debate if women are people or whether you have privilege.

   There's the reference to 'MRA, nazi, or similar," and the assumption smuggled in that if you don't believe in 'feminism' (an exceptionally broad and empty term these days), you don't accept that women are people. Can you understand why we might worry that when they say 'Nazi, MRA, or similar', they might just be using the first terms to tar all non-progressives as Enemies of the People?

Quote from: sureshot;1056331Probably too many that think Kickstarter equals free money without actually having to produce anything.

The pearl clutching and swooning about to pass out from the posters about trying to find any common ground over at Sodom and Gomorrah (TBP) is a hoot and predictable as hell. I hope the project fails. Go woke and stupidly announce it when kickstarting a project you deserve to go damn broke.



Hopefully you won't get a ban yet given their standard procedure hopefully you won't miss that place. Not that it's something you should care really.

After getting a formal warning from a mod and being pigeonholed into either being "mistaken about MRAs" or "being a troll," I don't care if I get banned from there.  The hobby is short enough on hobbyists as is, especially the non-D&D crowd; the overt injection and prominence of gender ideologues just reduces the number of people I want to game with.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056391That's a whole can of worms to open up. I'll say that Jim wanted to use the testimonial of an ex-MRA friend of hers who seems to be in the throes of some kind of mental issues. She was personally upset by Metokur, and did get a bit off the hook over it.

https://youtu.be/WKR34VNHHXo

Jim is out to fuck with everyone for lolz to impress his teenage audience. Sometimes he succeeds.

This right here. Jim is a troll, pure and simple. I've enjoyed some of his content, particularly the Hugbox Chronicles and DeviantArt... but I've had to unsubscribe from him recently, because he's legitimately doing things that are underhanded and wrong in my opinion.

Quote from: ronwisegamgee;1056402After getting a formal warning from a mod and being pigeonholed into either being "mistaken about MRAs" or "being a troll," I don't care if I get banned from there.  The hobby is short enough on hobbyists as is, especially the non-D&D crowd; the overt injection and prominence of gender ideologues just reduces the number of people I want to game with.

   Well, you've got what you accepted.

Yeah, I just got banned forever too.  Apparently I don't hate enough to hang with the other progressives.  Hopefully this site will set the bar lower for me.  I'm just not good at hating people or rejecting the humanity of those I disagree with.

Quote from: Vidgrip;1056408Yeah, I just got banned forever too.  Apparently I don't hate enough to hang with the other progressives.  Hopefully this site will set the bar lower for me.  I'm just not good at hating people or rejecting the humanity of those I disagree with.

I got banned myself a few years ago by Black Hat "I might have done things with an underage girl, and now I'm banned from RPG.net too!" McFarland!

He said I hated women, including my own mother and sister.

Well, I'm sure the ideologes over at TBP got their rocks off over throwing the MRA, Nazi devils off the ramparts over this.

Quote from: S'mon;1056303This looks like a desperate attempt to whip up enough publicity to get this failing project to reach its Kickstarter goal.

Ding! Winner.

It's the SJW equivalent of passing around the offering plate at church.