Quote from: Chris24601;1056322What type of person runs a Kickstarter asking for more than they really need to kickstart their project?

Smart ones.

You put some money up front into the KS so people think there is interest (people like things that they think other people like). You ask for far more than you need up to how much you can cover yourself.

You then reap as many pre-orders that you can. With enough, you can order more inventory because production gets cheaper (generally*) the more you are making.

*Personal labor is infeasible at large enough volume and normally not calculated into the base cost.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1056315The question I'd want to ask:

"Define 'Nazi'."

Speaking as an MRA, Nazi, Shitlord, I adore Freespacer, and feel that it reflects my worldview. I feel right at home participating in the kickstarter. I would snuggle up and caress the creators, if I could.


I feel this is all fiercely tribalistic, identity stuff. The "other" can't possibly like what we like, because they are alien. It's like watching chimps hoot at another band of chimps over a watering hole.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1056307It's funny how Men's Rights Activists are targeted. The most vocal MRAs I've met are stepmoms whose husbands and children were horribly abused by the family law courts. The other surprisingly loud "MRA" group are moms of boys who want to raise solid men, not SJW approved broken bitches. I'm always surprised how the SJWs forget how many moms fiercely love their sons and their husbands as men, never wanting them to become dickless weaklings.

When people mention MRAs, I inevitably first think of Karen Straughan, who has spoken more intelligently and coherently about feminism than any feminist I have yet heard.

On topic: Gaming has been politicised, and the definitions of "other" means that if you disagree with the pogrom, you're going to be lumped in with a careless grouping of MRAs, Nazis, Shitlords and other poorly defined boogeymen.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1056307I had been watching this KS because I was intrigued by the preview stuff, but I vote with my wallet. If you mix politics with your RPG, you go fuck off.

I play lots of games at the same table with self-professed SJWs and we always have a good time because everyone leaves their retarded shit at the door. We know we're there to have fun and toss dice, not to pass judgment on each other via purity tests.

It's funny how Men's Rights Activists are targeted. The most vocal MRAs I've met are stepmoms whose husbands and children were horribly abused by the family law courts. The other surprisingly loud "MRA" group are moms of boys who want to raise solid men, not SJW approved broken bitches. I'm always surprised how the SJWs forget how many moms fiercely love their sons and their husbands as men, never wanting them to become dickless weaklings.

I wonder if this is gonna be another "go woke, go broke" Kickstarter campaign where the author pockets the cash and runs for the hills.

The primary beliefs of the MRM are quite moderate and really just not being a hypocrite about the sort of rights people pretend to advocate for. There are plenty of female MRA's, myself included.

What I actually think is shocking is all of the staunch female feminists who have sons, fathers, brothers, or husbands. They have these men in their lives that they claim to care about and yet villainize and scapegoat men.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056344Speaking as an MRA, Nazi, Shitlord, I adore Freespacer, and feel that it reflects my worldview. I feel right at home participating in the kickstarter. I would snuggle up and caress the creators, if I could.


I feel this is all fiercely tribalistic, identity stuff. The "other" can't possibly like what we like, because they are alien. It's like watching chimps hoot at another band of chimps over a watering hole.

What about Freespacer is in keeping with any kind of right wing world view? I'd love a good right leaning RPG, but with the game's creator being such a SJW, I couldn't bring myself to give them a cent anyway.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056345When people mention MRAs, I inevitably first think of Karen Straughan, who has spoken more intelligently and coherently about feminism than any feminist I have yet heard.

On topic: Gaming has been politicised, and the definitions of "other" means that if you disagree with the pogrom, you're going to be lumped in with a careless grouping of MRAs, Nazis, Shitlords and other poorly defined boogeymen.

Yeah, Karen Straughan is great. Watching her videos introduced me to a lot of important issues.

Yeah, the left is politicizing everything including gaming. Really, geeky activities in general have come under their attack. "Nazis" doesn't even mean anything anymore. They call everybody that. The attacked Ben Shapiro and called him a Nazi even though he's a politically moderate Jew. The use of emotional language and buzz words allows them to silence opposition or even justify the most odious acts (including violence) without ever having to make arguments or to address their opponents' arguments.

Quote from: ShieldWife;1056348What about Freespacer is in keeping with any kind of right wing world view? I'd love a good right leaning RPG, but with the game's creator being such a SJW, I couldn't bring myself to give them a cent anyway.

I'm mocking the idea that they can curate who likes their RPG.

Quote from: S'mon;1056302I'm not a fan of all this cross-forum drama. Why give publicity to bad people? It's different if good (or just ordinary) people are being directly attacked or threatened, but I think general scumminess should just be ignored.

I too am no fan of the cross-forum drama.  Isn't there a thread in Pundit's forum for this sort RPG.net crap?


The game sounds very unoriginal -- a Firefly fan-wank, TBH, and honestly, not appealing at all to me.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056349I'm mocking the idea that they can curate who likes their RPG.

Oh, okay, I see. I was feeling mixed emotions for a minute. I liked the idea of a game that appealed to "an MRA, Nazi, Shitlord" but hated the idea of supporting a game whose creator said the stuff he did.

Confess!



Yes, kids. If you are into RPGs and discussing them online, you are going to have to justify your politics, and pledge fidelity to the orthodoxy. Or stand silent while the cardinals preach.

Aside: Shieldwife, are you the Shieldwife? Or did you just adopt the name?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056360Aside: Shieldwife, are you the Shieldwife? Or did you just adopt the name?

I am the YouTuber named ShieldWife. You can go post a comment to one of my videos and I'll confirm it.

Quote from: ShieldWife;1056362I am the YouTuber named ShieldWife. You can go post a comment to one of my videos and I'll confirm it.

Neat! I'll take your word at it for now. Pleased to make your online aquaintance.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1056316Again it looks like common sense has been catapulted to Pluto with this one.

So, some no mark company releases a stupid 'lets all hug' statement and all these purple people start saying.
"I wasn't going to back this project but after this I will."

I mean, who cares if the game is good it's only the politics that really matter.:rolleyes:

Really makes you think, doesn't it?

It's almost like they specifically came out and said that knowing that they'd get a bunch of lazy virtue-signalers to give them money, not for something they care about, but so they can pat themselves on the back and pretend they're going to end an imaginary plague of what they define to be sexism, racism, misogyny, etc.

Quote from: The Exploited.;1056316who cares if the game is good it's only the politics that really matter.

That's pretty much the essence of this site as soon as someone cries SJW, and even before that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056344It's like watching chimps hoot at another band of chimps over a watering hole.

Good clean fun here (except for the feces being flung) until the monolith teaches one side to kill the other side with bone clubs.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1056363Neat! I'll take your word at it for now. Pleased to make your online aquaintance.

Thank you. Nice to meet you as well.

I had an epiphany a couple of years back: if J.R.R. Tolkien, an orthodox, traditionally inclined Catholic, chaste husband and father, and political minarchist/reactionary, can have his work adopted and to some extent appropriated by free-loving neopagans and hippies, then the relationship between creator, creation and fandom can be far more fraught than a lot of people would like to admit.

  And while I asked for a definition of 'Nazi' above, 'feminist' is just as useless a term, since it can range from 'the right for women not to be mutilated or killed before/at birth' to' the right for women to mutilate or kill their children before/at birth.' The only terms that seem more degraded in contemporary discourse are 'love' and 'hate.'

   Trying to bring this back to gaming, am I still allowed to be a fan of Savage Worlds, Pendragon/Paladin, and pre-WotC D&D? I know I'm already a renegade when it comes to 4E D&D, Star Wars and Star Trek.