Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 28, 2021, 07:11:30 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 28, 2021, 06:43:05 AM
Check this dweeb.

Fuck me, what a cocksmock.

LOL You're not wrong.

This brings it to a whole new level of utter lunacy. And the little shit is so self-righteous too. What a sweaty little creep.

Quote from: Spinachcat on March 12, 2021, 04:39:29 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 11, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
This fucking site: every day I get a handful of reports of people bitching about how they didn't like something someone said to them, like I would give a fuck, and yet not one report on the neo-nazi bullshit.

This is a free speech site. Nobody needs to be bitching to you, nor reporting wrongthink.

And you can keep banning all the "neo-nazi bullshit" and your detractors will keep calling you a naughty nutzi forever and ever.

EDIT: Since race based scientific analysis is effectively forbidden, the nature/nurture question is going to stick with us and be plagued with pseudo-science and bias.

This is a "settled" RPG concept.
According to grandfather of RPGs, D&D/AD&D, racial and sexual characteristics are determined by nature, not nurture. 
At character creation!
;-P

Quote from: Visitor Q on March 17, 2021, 09:14:09 PM

QuoteA perfect example of this is the Ceremony Skill. This is a fully functioning Skill on its own and is useful as is to anyone playing. But we also call this out as a point where Native players can speak with their Story Guide and work to create Specialized versions for the Skill that allows for different effects and parameters based on that particular Native's culture and traditions. In this scenario, non-Natives don't need to take any special actions. Just play the game as it's written, and you're fine".

Only real genuine red-skinned indians can fully play this game.
Don't you dare make up your own specialized ceremonies whitey!

Quote from: yabaziou on March 28, 2021, 04:50:05 AM
Dear Lord, Have those morons never heard about modern medecine and health professionals ? Self-care is good, sure, but nobody can use a game like RPG as a cure to mental diseases. It is just a way to have friends (and I actually mean good friends, not parasites and utterly selfish people) having a good time and relaxing without being judged for the silliness said and done during the game.

Many of the gaming forums seem to have threads (tangency is notable) where members list their mental and physical afflictions as a source of pride or rather  competition.
And near as I can tell from reading, quite a few of these people believe RPGs are/should be therapy sessions.
I agree that it is lunacy as well.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 28, 2021, 06:43:05 AM
Gather friends and let us now fight fatphobia in RPGs.

Check this dweeb. It's going around the FB groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXm0ZNFt0zA

Thanks for that. I now have cancer, diabetes, and a Che Guevara tattoo. Comrade.

Quote from: Samsquantch on March 28, 2021, 04:15:22 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on March 28, 2021, 06:43:05 AM
Gather friends and let us now fight fatphobia in RPGs.

Check this dweeb. It's going around the FB groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXm0ZNFt0zA

Thanks for that. I now have cancer, diabetes, and a Che Guevara tattoo. Comrade.

But at least now you will be able to die early and know that you'll be loved. Hugs all-round!

As usual. What these nuts have done is taken something useful and twisted it into something to suit their agenda.

Psychology and schoolastics have and probably still are using role playing as a tool for therapy. But it is only one tool and it is used in conjunction with other types of therapy. Role play is not and can not be a mystical panacea.

And sure enough someone out there has blown that way out of proportion. Its pretty much the flip-side of the claims others have that playing RPGs leads to madness. Though looking at alot of storygamers... maybe the moral guardians were not too far off the mark there.

Could the game lead into the player becoming less fat by employing irl excercises to gain exp? If so its a gain, no matter how small. Seriously, the body and mind needs it. Ofc this is not this thing, reinforcing obesity as normal and coupling tabletop rpgs with it is not what the obese person needs. Rpgs should not have a real world conduit into ones selfimage. They are escapism imho, one that leads to positive stress release or other benefits. Employed with a distortion of ones selfimage they may lead into further distorting it. I have seen way too intense star wars fans or people who call themselves trekkies, who are caricatures of fans of a thing. To make a paraphrase i heard about the negative influence of such behavior, its ''reinforcing the group psychosis in each participant''.

Recently i have seen a tv series about a group of people who are obese and want to get thinner. They will all get their stomaches resized. They look like they need it, emotionally and physically. The problem is this is a potentially very invasive and serious medical procedure. So, beeing too obese is really not good, this is no great new revelation.

Quote from: Warder on March 29, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
Could the game lead into the player becoming less fat by employing irl excercises to gain exp?

Nope. Read the game description. The example scenario is going for pancakes with your lover. There is no character development, you can't even put points into Self-Esteem or Marital Bonds or something. You just roleplay spending a day treating yourself. One day of being content and happy and loved. That's the game.

QuoteFat Self Care is a solo journaling game where you play Rowan, a fat person, as they go through a day of fun and fulfilling activities. At each point during the day, you will have several choices of which activity you want to do next, and each activity will provide several questions for you to shape Rowan's inner life, relationships, and self-image. Each activity ends with two affirmations - reclaiming the word fat and giving you and Rowan a truth that is commonly denied to fat people. [...] you can play Rowan as any or no gender with the body characteristics or your choice, aside from being fat, which is mandatory.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on March 29, 2021, 07:57:16 PM

Quote from: Warder on March 29, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
Could the game lead into the player becoming less fat by employing irl excercises to gain exp?

Nope. Read the game description. The example scenario is going for pancakes with your lover. There is no character development, you can't even put points into Self-Esteem or Marital Bonds or something. You just roleplay spending a day treating yourself. One day of being content and happy and loved. That's the game.

The entire thing is a self glorification of being obese. Fat people (or those parasites who feed off it by self identification) making themselves feel good about what they have done to themselves, Twisting facts to the point that anyone telling them about the health and social reasons they should lose weight is being repressive and ablelist.

I'm a fat bastard. But no one should ever say or normalize it (and therefore implying that it's okay to be overweight). It's not - you can't deny the science.

That doesn't mean you have to be a bastard about it - Just offer support and encouragement as you would to a mate.

But all this fluffy wuffy, stick your head in the sand shit, is simply ridiculous and unhelpful in the long run.

High time the Lads from Macc had their say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vh7JxyQwI8

Quote from: robh on March 30, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
The entire thing is a self glorification of being obese.

It seems to me less like glorification, and more like acceptance; which acceptance you could characterise as lazy, self-indulgent, realistic, reasonable or simple fantasy depending on your point of view.

The scenarios appear to be simply that the person spends a day enjoying themselves and being loved. Such a scenario is not offensive to me. I believe that obese people deserve a day of fun and love as much as anyone.

However, to my mind it's not a game, because a game has an uncertain outcome which is determined by some combination of choice and chance. In this case, the outcome is certain: you'll have a fun day with someone who loves you. In these scenarios, you can't roll the dice and discover that actually you were bored or your lover dumped you - the outcome will always be awesome.

In this Fat Self-Care may be roleplaying, but it is not a game.

Of course, the versions of D&D where everyone automatically gets stacks of treasure and magic and nobody can ever die also share this failing: the outcome is certain, you always win. That may be roleplaying but it's not a game.

Quote from: robh on March 30, 2021, 06:56:21 AM
The entire thing is a self glorification of being obese. Fat people (or those parasites who feed off it by self identification) making themselves feel good about what they have done to themselves, Twisting facts to the point that anyone telling them about the health and social reasons they should lose weight is being repressive and ablelist.

I am a fatass with high blood pressure.  This is obviously bad and while I'm trying to lose weight now, I'm 46 and it's really hard.  What I hate is young people who can more easily lose the weight are, in some number or other, going to buy this bullshit, stay fat, and pay for it when they're my age. 

Quote from: Omega on March 28, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
As usual. What these nuts have done is taken something useful and twisted it into something to suit their agenda.

Psychology and schoolastics have and probably still are using role playing as a tool for therapy. But it is only one tool and it is used in conjunction with other types of therapy. Role play is not and can not be a mystical panacea.

And sure enough someone out there has blown that way out of proportion. Its pretty much the flip-side of the claims others have that playing RPGs leads to madness. Though looking at alot of storygamers... maybe the moral guardians were not too far off the mark there.

"Roleplay" as a psychological therapy shares almost nothing with "Roleplay" in gaming, except that the term is the same and it does involve "roles".  In particular, the use of your imagination is very different.  Using gaming roleplay in place of the therapy could in many cases be actively harmful to a person who might otherwise benefit from the therapy done properly by a trained professional. 

This is just another example of uninformed pseudo-science from this crowd.  They see the term, decide it means whatever they think it means, and don't bother to go learn the differences.  Exactly the kind of person you want giving an improvised therapy session using counter-productive tools to an unbalanced person, right? People can be charged with a felony for encouraging a suicidal person to "do it".  Far as I'm concerned, going off half-cocked with "RPG theraphy" should at least set up the GM for a lawsuit.