Quote from: flyingmice;223915Hi Walker:

I was the one who needed to submit FtA! for consideration. I am the publisher, not Pundit. If you are going to hang the cheap label on anyone, it should be me and not Pundit. I promise to wear it gracefully.

Thanks for the clarification, Clash.  I stand corrected.  I'm just trying to find some reasonable psychological explanation why he is so up in arms about what may be a flawed but basically honest effort on the part of the organizers of the ENnies.

Quote from: RPGPundit;223899Though, to be brutally honest, I don't see how a highly dubiously implausible alt-history of Rome could possibly merit "Best Setting"; I don't begrudge you any other nomination, but that one seems particularly questionable.

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OMFG! A role-playing game being implausible. No fucking way! It  cannot be.

Besides the fact that you have not so much as read the book and even without reading you still can't grasp the purpose of the game.

Quote from: HinterWelt;223911From what Zachary has mentioned of his evaluation after running and reading the material, he, and I assume at least some of the other judges, understand what I was going for. However, in the spirit of preserving the thread, let us suffice to say you believe Roma concept to be tripe with the caveat you have not read it.

Bill

Let me say I own Roma in print and love it, and you richly deserve any notice the nomination brings. I don't have the True 20 version, but I assume the setting is basically the same...

-clash

Quote from: One Horse Town;223919When SH sees the light of day, i'll pay for it!

You will NOT! All you need to do is tell me you'd like it submitted and I will. My reasons for not submitting anything this year revolve around the workload of the judges, not tiny amounts of money.

-clash

Quote from: walkerp;223921Thanks for the clarification, Clash.  I stand corrected.  I'm just trying to find some reasonable psychological explanation why he is so up in arms about what may be a flawed but basically honest effort on the part of the organizers of the ENnies.

Whatever reason he has, that is not one.

-clash

Quote from: flyingmice;223926Let me say I own Roma in print and love it, and you richly deserve any notice the nomination brings. I don't have the True 20 version, but I assume the setting is basically the same...

-clash

Correct. The True20 version has the addition of a few tidbits requested, specifically a section covering Britannia.

Bill

Anyways, there's lots I haven't read or doesn't light my fire. But there's lots of kick ass awesome on this list.

Pathfinder, Empire of Ghouls, City of Brass

In a time when bored would be 4e fanbois are busy spitting on 3e, some faithful few are still knocking them out of the park. Good call here.

World on Fire

C'mon, you knew I was going to say that. I honestly didn't expect it. It used to be only myself and Jeff slugging for Spycraft among the judges; I assumed after we were out, it was hopeless. Good to see there are still people who can see the charm. Pleasantly surprised.

Spirit of the Season

A fun little book. A little "light" than the sort of book that normally carries these things, but I'll say it intrigued me.

Quote from: flyingmice;223912Pundit, I submitted nothing to the Ennies this year, mainly for the perhaps absurd reason of sympathy for the judges, who I think are horribly overworked. I made this clear way up front, right after the last ennies were awarded at GenCon initially, and many times thereafter. I assumed you wouldn't care about FtA! not being submitted as you have derided the Ennies and any other award before as being useless. If you had wanted me to submit FtA!, you would only have had to ask, and I would have happily done so. Perhaps it would have been nominated in as many categories as Aces & Eights or Grimm if I had - it certainly is good enough IMO. That would depend on the tastes of the judges after that.

-clash

No, I had no interest in submitting FtA!

Its my position, and I know certain others (including certain nominees) concur, that these sorts of awards and the interest in them is just an utter sham.

And to answer another question: yes; if its supposedly an industry-wide award, then the products proposed for nomination should have no limitation of "entries only".

But frankly, no matter what, these awards are always a sham: they end up never either prizing the best in quality or the popular choice. Instead you get a bunch of mediocre consensus games, and a bunch of games that no one except certain overeager judges have ever even heard of.

If at least three of the "Best RPG" entries are games that a guy who runs one of the biggest RPG fora, writes in one of the most popular RPG-blogs and is generally a voracious student of RPGs has never even or barely even heard of, then something is seriously wrong with the awards process.

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Quote from: flyingmice;223927You will NOT! All you need to do is tell me you'd like it submitted and I will. My reasons for not submitting anything this year revolve around the workload of the judges, not tiny amounts of money.

-clash

It was a joke, Clash! Fear not, you can pay for everything!

Two observations:

1) Pundit is pretty far removed from current RPG-goings these days.

2) 2007 was an utterly unspectacular and mediocre year. The golden Age hsa ended.

Quote from: RPGPundit;223933If at least three of the "Best RPG" entries are games that a guy who runs one of the biggest RPG fora, writes in one of the most popular RPG-blogs and is generally a voracious student of RPGs has never even or barely even heard of, then something is seriously wrong with the awards process.

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Perhaps you are not as much of an expert on RPGs as you big head would suggest?

Quote from: Mcrow;223924OMFG! A role-playing game being implausible. No fucking way! It  cannot be.

Besides the fact that you have not so much as read the book and even without reading you still can't grasp the purpose of the game.

Sorry, but if you're going to make a game about Rome, and market it (as Bill at least initially did) on the basis of being somehow well-researched, then you'd better make sure your alt-history is credible.

Romans getting all hip on Druidism and celtic magic is not. Its about as believable as the French wholeheartedly adopting English cooking, or the Klan becoming hardcore Obama supporters.

But then, Bill and I have had this argument ages ago already, back when the original Roma Imperious came out. Shit, even the title isn't right.

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Quote from: Settembrini;223937Two observations:

1) Pundit is pretty far removed from current RPG-goings these days.

2) 2007 was an utterly unspectacular and mediocre year. The golden Age hsa ended.

I agree with you on point #2 (aside from the utterly brilliant 2FT; and FtA!, of course!).  But as for point number one? I'm sorry, but I really don't think that "Og" has been a runaway mindblowing success that all the kids are playing these days.  Or Witchhunter, for that matter.

I don't think these nominations show me to be out of touch; they show just how far out of touch the ENnies are from what people are into in regular roleplaying.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;223933And to answer another question: yes; if its supposedly an industry-wide award, then the products proposed for nomination should have no limitation of "entries only".

Your disconnect with reality is noted. I'll file it alongside communist utopias, the Honor System, and John Lennon songs.

Quote from: Mcrow;223938Perhaps you are not as much of an expert on RPGs as you big head would suggest?

Nope, sorry, I'm an expert, and half of the "best RPG" awards are unbelievably obscure games that have made no impact on the hobby or the industry.

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