Quote from: Caesar Slaad;223887So, do you have a misunderstanding about the way the ENnies works? The judges' role is done. If it's nominated, it's because the judges got it there. If it doesn't win, it's because the fans voted that way. (Which gives products with a bigger market a big leg up. Some of us out there think the nomination is the REAL mark of quality.)

Um, that's exactly what I am complaining about, dude. The Judges have made it certain that a game like 2FT cannot sweep the awards, because they simply didn't nominate it for most of the awards.
What's more, a supposed "industry-wide" award has made it impossible for several games ("Forward... to Adventure!", for one example) to even win an award, because they are NOT in fact an industry-wide award, they are a "Submit your product to us and win an award" award.

In other words, someone could have written the BEST RPG OF ALL TIME, which sells 12 billion copies in a year, and starts a new religious movement; but if its not submitted to the ENnies judges, there's no way its going to win "Best RPG" award; which will instead go to "Mediocre Consensus RPG #4381".

Likewise, someone who believes that 2FT is both the "Best Game" and "Product of the Year" is shit out of luck, because the JUDGES (many of whom are self-evidently idiots or crooks) have decided to only nominate 2FT for writing, while a game like Grimm gets buckshotted all over the place like a clumsy pervert's ejaculation; and a bunch of Barely Heard Of games (like Og, seriously?!) backed up by a gang of pretentious cunts gets nominated for best RPG; the Judges' super-dubious "Wisdom" essentially forcing those who vote in the ENNies to have to chose from a series of bad options that are in no way representative of either quality, or the popular will.

RPGPundit

Quote from: HinterWelt;223890Thanks Mike! I especially am honored for the category it was nominated in.

 

Well, as I've told you before you have some of the best RPG settings of any publisher. Not that your system is bad (you know I love it) but it doesn't seem to get the same reception as the setting do.  

In any case, just getting a nomination is bid deal considering all of the quality settings that have come out during this time frame.

Quote from: HinterWelt;223890Thanks Pundit. I especially appreciated your "half-baked games in favour of real quality" comment on your blog.

Bill

I wasn't specifically speaking to your games, Bill.  I was thinking more along the lines of Og, Witchhunter, Monsters & Other Childish Things, ie. games I haven't or have barely even heard of. Games that are obviously getting nominated not because they're good or have made an impact in the year, but because one or more of the judges is championing them for personal or ideological reasons.

Though, to be brutally honest, I don't see how a highly dubiously implausible alt-history of Rome could possibly merit "Best Setting"; I don't begrudge you any other nomination, but that one seems particularly questionable.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;223895Um, that's exactly what I am complaining about, dude.

Okay.

QuoteThe Judges have made it certain that a game like 2FT cannot sweep the awards, because they simply didn't nominate it for most of the awards.
What's more, a supposed "industry-wide" award has made it impossible for several games ("Forward... to Adventure!", for one example) to even win an award, because they are NOT in fact an industry-wide award, they are a "Submit your product to us and win an award" award.

So, wait. They are supposed to fairly review products not submitted to them? Or find their own funding to canvass the industry?

Monsters & Other Childish Things?

Whatsat?

*googling*

Hmm.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;223901So, wait. They are supposed to fairly review products not submitted to them? Or find their own funding to canvass the industry?

Don't try to reason with him; it'll only make things worse. I've never seen someone make so many judgments without evidence: the corruption of the judges, the quality of books he's literally never seen. What a complete, ailing douche bag.

Quote from: Engine;223904Don't try to reason with him; it'll only make things worse. I've never seen someone make so many judgments without evidence: the corruption of the judges, the quality of books he's literally never seen. What a complete, ailing douche bag.

I'm not generally a Pundy basher but this take on the ennies is great work of douchebaggery.

Quote from: Engine;223904Don't try to reason with him; it'll only make things worse. I've never seen someone make so many judgments without evidence: the corruption of the judges, the quality of books he's literally never seen. What a complete, ailing douche bag.

Oh, I know. I've already accepted that nothing I say is going to get Pundit to sit down and say "harumph! You're right". These comments are more directed to anyone in the home audience who might be casually enough related to the subject matter that they would take it seriously.

And to be fair, I think the ENnies are far from perfect, but I say that with the voice of someone who knows what challenges they really face. But enough about that.

Quote from: One Horse Town;223903Monsters & Other Childish Things?

Whatsat?

*googling*

Hmm.

M&OCT is by Bailywolf, who is brilliant, and drops awesome ideas behind him like Hansel & Gretel drop bread crumbs. I haven't read it yet - my distaste for ORE prevents me - but I can't imagine it isn't superb.

-clash

RPGPundit, have you not been following Zachary the First's posts about the process?  It sounds like there may well be some agendas going on, but nowhere near the intensity you are imagining.  Furthermore, it sounds like the process that goes on between the judges is open enough that it's not so easy for a single individual to push their agenda, though I guess a cabal could have more power.  

You also seem to be suggesting that because something is popular, it is good, which is bullshit.

And you have no right to be bitter just because you were too friggin' cheap to send in a copy of your game.  Free copies of shit is the way it is done in every industry.  If you want to be a "real" publisher, you're going to have to suck up the expenses that go with it.  At least, I am starting to believe that you may actually have Canadian roots, anyways, you cheap bastard!:p

Quote from: RPGPundit;223899Though, to be brutally honest, I don't see how a highly dubiously implausible alt-history of Rome could possibly merit "Best Setting"; I don't begrudge you any other nomination, but that one seems particularly questionable.

RPGPundit

From what Zachary has mentioned of his evaluation after running and reading the material, he, and I assume at least some of the other judges, understand what I was going for. However, in the spirit of preserving the thread, let us suffice to say you believe Roma concept to be tripe with the caveat you have not read it.

Bill

Pundit, I submitted nothing to the Ennies this year, mainly for the perhaps absurd reason of sympathy for the judges, who I think are horribly overworked. I made this clear way up front, right after the last ennies were awarded at GenCon initially, and many times thereafter. I assumed you wouldn't care about FtA! not being submitted as you have derided the Ennies and any other award before as being useless. If you had wanted me to submit FtA!, you would only have had to ask, and I would have happily done so. Perhaps it would have been nominated in as many categories as Aces & Eights or Grimm if I had - it certainly is good enough IMO. That would depend on the tastes of the judges after that.

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Here RPGPundit, go chase after this bone, it should distract you for a while so that we can actually have a decent conversation.

Quote from: walkerp;223910And you have no right to be bitter just because you were too friggin' cheap to send in a copy of your game.  Free copies of shit is the way it is done in every industry.  If you want to be a "real" publisher, you're going to have to suck up the expenses that go with it.  At least, I am starting to believe that you may actually have Canadian roots, anyways, you cheap bastard!:p

Hi Walker:

I was the one who needed to submit FtA! for consideration. I am the publisher, not Pundit. If you are going to hang the cheap label on anyone, it should be me and not Pundit. I promise to wear it gracefully.

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Quote from: flyingmice;223915Hi Walker:

I was the one who needed to submit FtA! for consideration. I am the publisher, not Pundit. If you are going to hang the cheap label on anyone, it should be me and not Pundit. I promise to wear it gracefully.

-clash

When SH sees the light of day, i'll pay for it!