So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.

It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/

It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.

So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:

Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.

In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.

Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.

To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.

That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.

Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:

Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.

The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:

Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.

So, you are done in this discussion.

After the banning, any dissenters are VERY careful with their milquetoast posts of disagreement, and swarmed by activist types. But the crowning glory, the cherry on the shit cake was when the second Mod arrived, like Zeus' thunderbolt.

Poster Kai Lord had posted:

Quote from: Kai Lord"Fighting racism with racism" is still itself racist and wrong and shows that WOTC and Kyle Brink are really only about the optics of appearing inclusive when they are anything but.

He, however, had underestimated the IQ 1000 Mods, as he was told:

Quote from: DannyalcatrazMod Note:

You're not going to win people over with that position. We've actually got actual USA case law- some involving my own law school- that explicitly states that considering race to rectify past racism is not itself racism. Considering the harmed does not harm others; giving someone a hand up to your level after they been denied that progress doesn't push you down.

So you've played this card, but it isn't a winning one. You gambled and lost; all of your poker chips are gone. And so you must leave this particular table.

This thread has it all, purity spirals, "actually my son is biracial!", a professional grievance counsellor chiming in, wow.

Warning: reading 30 pages by gaslight may strain your eyes.


TLDR: EN World has joined the ranks of every other hobby forum, hollowed out by activist beetles, leaving only a husk of its former self.

We knew ENWorld was just a little less shit than TBP, but thanks for the graphical demonstration of how far the maoist hole have they gone.

I stopped using ENWorld because of this reason.

I'm not interested in supporting a site whose management promotes hatred. So I stopped visiting their site and contributing on their forums.

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."

Are you really surprised? Marxists are just Satanists with better suits.

That was brutal. "Thank you" for sharing. (Quotes because I vomited in my mouth a little.)

Give a mod a little power and they think they're god's gift to truth and justice. Fuck 'em.

This is the only place where you can talk about normal stuff related to games like regular people. Is that right leaning? So be it.

Moderation here is nil, except when Pundit busts in like a shaved gorilla, but at that point let's face it someone has earned a bit of a thrashing.

A thought I had about when the Mod used a judicial decision like it's a mandate from heaven, so no-one may question it, is how these fuckers will flip on a dime as it suits their narrative.

I'd bet good money that the same guy was screaming a few months back, about how a few 'rogue activist Judges' can't overturn Roe vs Wade, and they should be removed from SCOTUS/life, and the ruling ignored.

It's "a private company can do whatever it wants...until it wants to do something we don't like" all over again.

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 08, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
That was brutal. "Thank you" for sharing. (Quotes because I vomited in my mouth a little.)

Give a mod a little power and they think they're god's gift to truth and justice. Fuck 'em.

This is the only place where you can talk about normal stuff related to games like regular people. Is that right leaning? So be it.

When you define Mao as a centrist then even the far left Democrats of 20-30 years ago are right-leaning by comparison.

The RPGSite isn't right-leaning; it's just a place where normal people are free to express what they really think without fear some self-righteous harridan is going to have you canceled for calling their ideas garbage.

The moderation is bad, and Umbran has always been incredibly obnoxious - I have plenty of left wing friends who find him equally insufferable. It's definitely not centrist, as you can see by their use of Marxist dialectical analysis, albeit they are clearly 'lumpen intelligentsia' without much understanding beyond standard media Narrative.

It doesn't feel like RPGNet to me. But being there too long is exhausting. It's definitely not the welcoming, inclusive space it was 20 years ago. They stopped being inclusive when they became Inclusive. That said, you'll note they do thread bans and 3 day bans, site bans are still rare. I wouldn't expect it to go 'full RPGnet' while Morrus owns it. While he is pretty strongly left wing by any normal standards, and gives Umbran way too long a leash* to abuse posters, he's no RPGnetter.

*Bit of a Darth Vader/Grand Moff Tarkin relationship, perhaps. 

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 08, 2023, 05:11:28 PM
The RPGSite isn't right-leaning; it's just a place where normal people are free to express what they really think without fear some self-righteous harridan is going to have you canceled for calling their ideas garbage.

I think it's a mix of both; it is somewhat right-libertarian in overall balance I think. You occasionally get right wing dogpiles on a left wing poster. But this is about the balance of posters, you don't get banned for being left wing.

I actually went and read a little of that thread and it actually made me laugh out loud.

The part where (my paraphrasing) "Well it's good they're trying to do good social justice hiring practices (now*), but it's hard to imagine that it's the same company that just tried to pull the rug from under us on the OGL."

HAHAHAHAH at no point do their small minds draw the conclusion that these things are not what they think they are and that they might be wrong. Typical millennial un-reasoning.

Has this new friend of yours never heard of RPG Pub?

Quote from: Tasty_Wind on February 08, 2023, 08:15:41 PM
Has this new friend of yours never heard of RPG Pub?

He may go there too, no idea.

He's a good guy, I imagine he posts and reads certain saner parts of EN World, and actively or unconsciously ignores the Woke shit. I know plenty of smart, chill people that think if they are understanding and tolerant, others will treat them the same.

Such an attitude is MASSIVELY frustrating, as the every aspect of Western society has been compromised because of the general public shrugging and ignoring all of the insanity, but it is what it is.

It's a kind of spectrum. I can see problems coming down the road while they're still miles away, and others that can't just think its fuss about nothing. Others can only see it in the rear view mirror several miles after the problem passed.

At least there a still some people pushing back against it.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
So I post and read here because it seemed to be the last rpg site where you don't need to genuflect to Chairman Mao to be a member, when a new friend started telling me how great EN World is. The general impression he gave was that RPGnet is a cesspool, but this place leans too right, so EN World is a sweet spot, where it's just about the games.

It just so happened that while searching today, a link lead me to EN World. Remembering the recommendation, and wanting to give it a sniff test, I looked up their thread about the Kyle Brink interview and HOLY HELL! The place reeks of RPGnet about 2016.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/kyle-brink-d-d-exec-producer-on-ogl-controversy-one-d-d-summary.695136/

It's well worth reading the whole thing, if you can avoid throwing up your stomach lining. Here are a couple of gems, from site Mods, a sure guarantee that the site is a dead zer walking.

So a poster named Halfling Rogue makes a few posts with HIDEOUS bigotry like "you can't fight racism with racism." When people say Brink just wants to turf out leadership for being disgustingly White, not players, Halfling says:

Quote from: halfling rogueI don't see how his statement is any less racist just because he's talking about leadership at WotC.

In swoops a Moderator like a Superhero.

Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
Statements that desire for a diverse corporate makeup is somehow racist are a problem. Please don't suggest that.

To answer your question (in a way that I know does not brook further discussion) is that, like it or not, modern concepts of racism are dependent on socio-economic power disparity. Racism generally requires, "punching down," so to speak. Discrimination, racism, and bigotry then are not equivalent.

That, from a place of privilege, a move towards equity feels like someone is punching down at you doesn't make it so.

Halfling, at the 'die on your feet or live on your knees' intersection, replies:

Quote from: halfling rogueModern concepts of racism sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook.

The Mod swoops back in, to ban Halfling:

Quote from: UmbranMod Note:
You should know by now that moderation posts are not invitations for further commentary. Even if you forgot that is in the rules, I mentioned it explicitly in the post.

So, you are done in this discussion.

Bless the Halfling. And yea, that looks just like the twiddle twaddle that RPG.net pulls.

It's EN World, they represent white leftard racism.  If they could wear their pink klan hoods with a rainbow patch in public they would.  The entire board is over moderated to be a leftard echo chamber, its horribad there.  If EN World was a medical facility, every illness and disease would be a recommendation for suicide to save the planet, they are that woke.