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Alas, my first really bad review came in

Started by Sacrosanct, June 05, 2012, 06:51:26 PM

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Mistwell

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546264I suppose my run of good fortune wouldn't last forever.  In the past year or so, all I've had was good reviews (even winning Diehard Gamefan's game of the year), so it was a matter of time before I got a bad one.

Too bad it's in a big publication like Knights of the Dinner Table.  When I submitted the game to be reviewed, I kept it pretty basic because I didn't want to skew or influence the reviewer.  I only told him what it was about, and that a really important aspect of it was the purpose: to get your rpg fix in when you didn't have space to lug around bags of dice or lots of books.  It literally was a deck of cards, a pencil, and 3 dice that you could all fit in your pocket and play an rpg.

That's the only disagreement I had with the review because the reviewer then proceeded to say how bad it was by comparing it to full sized RPG books.  Of course I don't have rules describing hundreds of scenarios, it's physically impossible to do that with the structure of the game.

But his biggest complaint (that he said was his biggest), was that on the monster cards, there wasn't a description on ecology (behavior, etc).  Again, where exactly are you supposed to put it all and keep a text size that you can still read?

This two disagreements hit home with his sentence: "I don't care if there isn't enough space on the cards to do a better job, this is precisely why we have manuals!"

The reason that part bothered me is because I explicitly said that this is portable game where you don't have to carry around manuals.  I don't mind the bad review so much as I mind the fact that he totally missed the point of the game.

Then of course I also took issue with him complaining about how sparse the rules were, and then proceeded to make complaints about things the rules explicitly spelled out.  Like, "I haven't even the faintest idea how hard a difficulty 5 action might be", which the rules clearly stated, "In order to make a check, roll the d6, add any modifiers for abilities or skills, and get higher than the difficulty number."  I even gave an example scenario.

Or, "There's so much more you can do with cards!  You can shuffle them, pick them at random, arrange them on the table...etc...and yet Compact Heroes does nothing more than use them as a resource."  When I devoted a few paragraphs explaining that you can do exactly what Mr. Desai just said.

There were other complaints, like the maps were too small to show the players where they were positioned at.  Well, duh.  The map cards were for the GM, not the players.  It's not a mini game.

So yeah, if you hate the game, I have no problem because that's your prerogative.  But if you're gonna make complaints, at least read the material given you first because most of them were flat out incorrect.

Oh well, I suppose this is par for the course for being a designer.  Someone once told me, "It's best to have a really good review, or a really bad one.  You don't ever want a mediocre one."  So in that respect, I guess I'm still batting 100%.

Your review of the review got me interested in your game, for what that is worth.


Sacrosanct

Quote from: Jason Coplen;546622I don't know how I missed this game, but I just placed my order for a start set. ;)

This looks to be right up my alley.

Quote from: Mistwell;546624Your review of the review got me interested in your game, for what that is worth.


Thank you both very much, but I really don't want to turn this into a "pimp my product" thread.  I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you have via PM if you like.  Or if enough people are curious, a thread in the Ads forum?  Mods, is that right?
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Marleycat

If I actually had money I would pick the game up. I reminds me of this other card based RPG about 20 years ago called Dragon something or other. But this seems much more compact (duh).
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Benoist

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546641Thank you both very much, but I really don't want to turn this into a "pimp my product" thread.  I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you have via PM if you like.  Or if enough people are curious, a thread in the Ads forum?  Mods, is that right?

You could go that route, make a formal ad in the Ads forum linking to where the product can be purchased, what it is about and so on, and from there you guys can take apart the game, ask questions and stuff.

I agree with OHT here, though: I do see the same kind of 'pimping' aspect to the thread here, but (1) the OP wasn't strictly about pimping your game or event, and (2) at the same time Pundit did pretty much the same thing with his own thread about Arrows of Indra finding a publisher, and that thread was never moved. It's a grey area really. A bit like porn: I know it when I see it, see what I mean?

Sacrosanct

I hope this works then.  For any questions re: Compact Heroes, I have created this thread in the News/Adverts forum where I'll be more than happy to answer questions

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?p=546673#post546673
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Quote from: thedungeondelver;546679"It's a shit business.  Glad I'm out of it."

I said the same thing after I lost my job as a DJ.

And after I quit my job as a PI.

But dammit, I like RPGs! (table-top, not shoulder-fired)

Tommy Brownell

Quote from: Xavier Onassiss;546687I said the same thing after I lost my job as a DJ.

And after I quit my job as a PI.

But dammit, I like RPGs! (table-top, not shoulder-fired)

...what do you have against shoulder fired RPGs?
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Xavier Onassiss

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;546699...what do you have against shoulder fired RPGs?

I've never been checked out on them... I'd probably just shoot my eye out. :duh:

RPGPundit

Quote from: Sacrosanct;546641Thank you both very much, but I really don't want to turn this into a "pimp my product" thread.  I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you have via PM if you like.  Or if enough people are curious, a thread in the Ads forum?  Mods, is that right?

Yes, that's quite right.

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Oh.  Literally a bad review.  At first I thought this would be about a game getting a bad review.  Now I'm wondering if I've even done such bad reviews.