i was banned from TBP for a few weeks for (1) sharing the Man Rider story and uncharitably suggesting that (2) no functioning adult would ever 'suicide' a character who had suboptimal stats, especially as a 'protest' against being forced to roll rather than use a stat array. now i'm wondering: i am actually correct on #2? would any well-adjusted grownup rather commit character suicide ('suicide' should not be a fucking verb) than just play the character?

so: have you ever had a player deliberately run a character into the ground right away to get out of a 'shitty' character w/random stats? do you know people who play this way? what are they like?

the thread's here: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739281-Sell-me-Unsell-me-Rolling-for-Ability-Scores

I've determined that no one who posts there actually plays rpgs.

I have never had bad stats.

Unless you use 3d6 in order, which was out of fashion by the time I started playing in 1978, you're probably going to have decent stats.

If you use 4d6 drop one in any order, you're probably going to have at least one high score and worst will be around 10.

In fact, the default array usually given is about what you expect to roll. Sometimes you do better, sometimes worse, but I can remember rolling numerous 18s in my life, and I can't recall ever rolling a 3.

No. I did have an Elf in Basic D&D, with really just at low/low-average for everything--except Con. I got upset when he died because I enjoyed him.

 I rolled better stats soon after for my nextPC, but the DM then wiped the rest of the party because he chose a monster we couldn't hurt. (+1 Magical weapons were not handed out, vs gargoyles..) Yeah. He retconned the deaths and let us continue but sadly the game died after that.

I've usually just played what I rolled, good or ill. (I usually roll well enough, but it happens to everyone to get bad rolls now and then.)

The Man Rider story??? :confused:

Someone who suicides their PC because they didn't get a stat high enough is acting like a spoiled child.  You aren't wrong.  But look where you posted it.  Their MO is acting like a spoiled child who doesn't get his or her way.

Nothing but a bunch of whiners with entitlement issues.

I once got stuck playing a cleric (random roll) and kinda decided that he oughtta be a bit of a crazed zealot, picking fights and throwing himself into the deep end... mostly because I'd up till then disliked the idea of clerics and I figured he'd die off quick and I'd get to make a new character. But he kept on not dying and pretty soon I started to enjoy playing a cleric after all.

Our current GM keeps having us roll up in different ways. Sometimes it's totally random 3d6 in order... sometimes he gives us a bank of points to allot however we like. Variations of those. But I really like the random roll... it gives me limitations to play off of vs. some blandly competent thing with CHA as a dump stat.

I once played a gully dwarf in a one shot who tried to commit suicide.  Well, for him it was suicide --running up and attacking-- but in spite of constantly putting him in danger I couldn't seem to kill him off. The dude was tougher than several other players who didn't survive the evening.

I did keep rolling a d20 every time my turn came up, and that if he rolled more than his Wisdom he decided to bolt and hide.  In spite of a 7 Wis, I couldn't seem to roll a higher  than that all evening.  (I missed every attack, too.)

Quote from: Sacrosanct;791371Someone who suicides their PC because they didn't get a stat high enough is acting like a spoiled child.  You aren't wrong.  But look where you posted it.  Their MO is acting like a spoiled child who doesn't get his or her way.

Nothing but a bunch of whiners with entitlement issues.

Well, now, that's not strictly true. There's still people there, including me, who haven't been banned yet because we look down on entitled whiners. The secret is not pointing out that they are whiners.

For example, in the discussion about suiciding characters (in a thread that's not about suiciding characters at all,) I refrained from criticizing people who would suicide characters, even  before the person who brought it up admitted he really *would* suicide his character just to get better stats. Instead, I  arguued against his claim that the 5e rules encourage people to do that. Clearly, it's the player's feelings about gaming the system being more important than playing a character. And I didn't even criticize *that*. I don't care if someone wants to play that way, as long as I don't have to play with  them. I just want them to admit it's all based on the decisions they've made, not actually part of the rules.

Quote from: stuffis;791362i was banned from TBP for a few weeks for (1) sharing the Man Rider story and uncharitably suggesting that (2) no functioning adult would ever 'suicide' a character who had suboptimal stats, especially as a 'protest' against being forced to roll rather than use a stat array. now i'm wondering: i am actually correct on #2? would any well-adjusted grownup rather commit character suicide ('suicide' should not be a fucking verb) than just play the character?

so: have you ever had a player deliberately run a character into the ground right away to get out of a 'shitty' character w/random stats? do you know people who play this way? what are they like?

the thread's here: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739281-Sell-me-Unsell-me-Rolling-for-Ability-Scores

No, but I have had some people decline to play when they found out I use 3d6 in order 6 times, no shit no fooling.

Which is okay.  Nobody has to play.

Although in our Star Wars d20 game I did take some satisfaction in becoming the greatest of the New Jedi Order even though my character had the shittiest stats.  (only 1 stat over 12, using "Roll 3d6 4 times for each stat, keep the best.)  Play matters more than stats.  If you want to be the greatest Jedi, play like you are the greatest Jedi.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;791371Someone who suicides their PC because they didn't get a stat high enough is acting like a spoiled child.  You aren't wrong.  But look where you posted it.  Their MO is acting like a spoiled child who doesn't get his or her way.

Nothing but a bunch of whiners with entitlement issues.

This has been discussed before; some people just don't want anything bad to ever happen to their character.

Quote from: stuffis;791362i was banned from TBP for a few weeks for (1) sharing the Man Rider story and uncharitably suggesting that (2) no functioning adult would ever 'suicide' a character who had suboptimal stats, especially as a 'protest' against being forced to roll rather than use a stat array. now i'm wondering: i am actually correct on #2? would any well-adjusted grownup rather commit character suicide ('suicide' should not be a fucking verb) than just play the character?

so: have you ever had a player deliberately run a character into the ground right away to get out of a 'shitty' character w/random stats? do you know people who play this way? what are they like?

the thread's here: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739281-Sell-me-Unsell-me-Rolling-for-Ability-Scores

I now officially hate you for luring me into reading that thread.

Crom's hairy nutsack, even one of the mods is a whiny-ass little crybaby.  Actually, that thread is MOSTLY one of the mods being a whiny-ass little crybaby.

Fuck.

Quote from: Brad;791364I've determined that no one who posts there actually plays rpgs.

I disagree. I think that the forum is full of people who play RPGs in which nothing bad ever happens to their entitled characters because that wouldn't be "fun".

Quote from: Old Geezer;791388Crom's hairy nutsack, even one of the mods is a whiny-ass little crybaby.  Actually, that thread is MOSTLY one of the mods being a whiny-ass little crybaby.

Fuck.

Mengtzu is busy gaming the system instead of playing the game in that thread.

Quote from: stuffis;791362i was banned from TBP for a few weeks for (1) sharing the Man Rider story and uncharitably suggesting that (2) no functioning adult would ever 'suicide' a character who had suboptimal stats, especially as a 'protest' against being forced to roll rather than use a stat array. now i'm wondering: i am actually correct on #2? would any well-adjusted grownup rather commit character suicide ('suicide' should not be a fucking verb) than just play the character?

so: have you ever had a player deliberately run a character into the ground right away to get out of a 'shitty' character w/random stats? do you know people who play this way? what are they like?

the thread's here: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739281-Sell-me-Unsell-me-Rolling-for-Ability-Scores

The solution to this is: Don't game with assholes.