Quote from: Kyle Aaron;799089Only people with no intelligence, perception or patience need to make shit up to discredit others.

The irony writes itself.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;799089I was simply saying that comparing an adventuring party to a sports team works best for people who've actually been on a sports team. But you can certainly have a sense of teamship without ever having done that - as I said, most gamers manage it. Kiero doesn't.

I have actually been on a sports team, and I find the rather vacuous attempt to compare it to playing RPGs risible and ridiculous. The two things have nothing meaningful in common.

The fact that you're now trying to lump in watching sports with the actually playing them (which is again nothing like), speaks to how weak this analogy really is.

But then I seem to remember stupid analogies were always your thing.

It's also fishing for weakness.

You see it a lot in bad internet arguments... where people make a guess at qualities of their 'opponents.'

It works because if they happen to guess right, it makes an impression. If they guess wrong, it's forgotten in a day.

at least there not bitching about ad hominims

theres not much i hate more then people who misuse and abuse the concept

Your keyboard has a shift key. Try using it.

Having thoroughly enjoyed watching my alma mater get a win yesterday and finally break the nation's longest conference losing streak, I am quite sure that not a single member of the team has the equivalent of a 10 Strength or lower.  This is the crappiest team in the division and every player would have some pretty damn good physical stats.

So what happens when someone gets a combination?

Say 3 good stats and 3 bad stats? Or 3 average and 3 bad?

Example from a players recent replacement character after her first halfling got et.

Standard 4d6 drop lowest.
STR:12 DEX:14 CON:9 INT:6 WIS:4 CHA:12
Pretty much the order rolled too, she just swapped the 9 CON and the 12 CHA, and swapped the places of the 4 and 6 because she didn't want to be outsmarted by someones pet. aheh... The 4 was three 1s and a 2. The 6 was three 1s and a 4. Had she been going straight 3d6 shed have been the first ever I've seen for someone rolling more than one 3 for stats. And the 9 would have been a 6 (two 1s and two 4s).

She says"Screw it! Im going back to Half Orc!" So 14 strength and 10 constitution. Fighter, archery path focusing on bows again with some new ideas based on the archer vs cantrip discussion here.

One player sees it as "unwinnable" and another sees it as a challenge. And someone else will see it as a boon. Jan points out that shes likely the last person in the group to be eaten by a mind flayer so nya...

Quote from: Omega;799147So what happens when someone gets a combination?

Say 3 good stats and 3 bad stats? Or 3 average and 3 bad?

Example from a players recent replacement character after her first halfling got et.

Standard 4d6 drop lowest.
STR:12 DEX:14 CON:9 INT:6 WIS:4 CHA:12
Pretty much the order rolled too, she just swapped the 9 CON and the 12 CHA, and swapped the places of the 4 and 6 because she didn't want to be outsmarted by someones pet. aheh... The 4 was three 1s and a 2. The 6 was three 1s and a 4. Had she been going straight 3d6 shed have been the first ever I've seen for someone rolling more than one 3 for stats. And the 9 would have been a 6 (two 1s and two 4s).

She says"Screw it! Im going back to Half Orc!" So 14 strength and 10 constitution. Fighter, archery path focusing on bows again with some new ideas based on the archer vs cantrip discussion here.

One player sees it as "unwinnable" and another sees it as a challenge. And someone else will see it as a boon. Jan points out that shes likely the last person in the group to be eaten by a mind flayer so nya...

Good attitude though interestingly when I first looked at that statline I thought Fighter or Rogue.....I would have chosen Rogue but I totally understand someone going Fighter with it.

Quote from: Omega;799147So what happens when someone gets a combination?

Say 3 good stats and 3 bad stats? Or 3 average and 3 bad?

Example from a players recent replacement character after her first halfling got et.

Standard 4d6 drop lowest.
STR:12 DEX:14 CON:9 INT:6 WIS:4 CHA:12
Pretty much the order rolled too, she just swapped the 9 CON and the 12 CHA, and swapped the places of the 4 and 6 because she didn't want to be outsmarted by someones pet. aheh... The 4 was three 1s and a 2. The 6 was three 1s and a 4. Had she been going straight 3d6 shed have been the first ever I've seen for someone rolling more than one 3 for stats. And the 9 would have been a 6 (two 1s and two 4s).

She says"Screw it! Im going back to Half Orc!" So 14 strength and 10 constitution. Fighter, archery path focusing on bows again with some new ideas based on the archer vs cantrip discussion here.

One player sees it as "unwinnable" and another sees it as a challenge. And someone else will see it as a boon. Jan points out that shes likely the last person in the group to be eaten by a mind flayer so nya...

Stout Halfling Paladin, Great Weapon Fighting Style with unmounted Lance. Trust me. Lucky & GW Style makes for fun re-rolls. And you get to go nova at level 2 with Smites. Hilarity will ensue.

I don't care much for speculating on posters' lives based on their posts, but I don't think Kiero comes here for the hunting, to quote the old joke.

Quote from: Kiero;799102The irony writes itself.

Better watch out he carries a crowbar and rock drill.

Quote from: Omega;799147So what happens when someone gets a combination?

Say 3 good stats and 3 bad stats? Or 3 average and 3 bad?

Kiero will have to find a way to kill half a character.

QuoteExample from a players recent replacement character after her first halfling got et.

Standard 4d6 drop lowest.
STR:12 DEX:14 CON:9 INT:6 WIS:4 CHA:12
Pretty much the order rolled too, she just swapped the 9 CON and the 12 CHA, and swapped the places of the 4 and 6 because she didn't want to be outsmarted by someones pet. aheh... The 4 was three 1s and a 2. The 6 was three 1s and a 4. Had she been going straight 3d6 shed have been the first ever I've seen for someone rolling more than one 3 for stats. And the 9 would have been a 6 (two 1s and two 4s).

She says"Screw it! Im going back to Half Orc!" So 14 strength and 10 constitution. Fighter, archery path focusing on bows again with some new ideas based on the archer vs cantrip discussion here.

One player sees it as "unwinnable" and another sees it as a challenge. And someone else will see it as a boon. Jan points out that shes likely the last person in the group to be eaten by a mind flayer so nya...

And here is how you can tell good players from average ones from well, Kiero.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;791471I get the impression that many gaming groups have far more jealousy, resentment, and internal competition than mine have. There seems to be a lot of concern that one person will get an 18 and another won't and that might generate ill feelings.

That's sad.

Yeah, I never know what to make of shit like this thread.

Quote from: Ravenswing;791652Nah, I just insulted you for being enough of an idiot to jeer at someone else for being wrong based on your single set of rolls.  Seeing as you're still failing the reading comprehension test, I don't figure my opinion's changing any time soon.

Reading comp shot, and all blue text?
Yeah.

Quote from: Gib;799195Reading comp shot, and all blue text?
Yeah.

jeez taking a shot at the blue text thats pathetic sure it annoys me a little but i understand that he very much prefers it that way and i deal with it

When I was playing DnD and ADnD 2e, it was always 3d6 stats and I had some terrible character stats. But I never committed suicide because of low stats. In a world of rolling stats, you tend to be average heroes more often than Conan or a weak farmer. Law of averages. Average tends to be 10, which is a nothing stat in ADnD. Hopefully you have a few good stats and can do something with them to form a decent character.

Earthdawn and DnD 3.x were a bit better because we moved up to 4d6. Seemed like 13 was more likely there, so Step 6/D10 in Earthdawn or at least a +1 modifier in DnD.

I never really liked rolling stats, its why I prefer point buy like the purchase point system for Earthdawn, Savage Worlds attribute buy, etc.

It makes the heroes mostly feel more fair and balanced if they have the same points to distribute. Savage Worlds allows characters to invest their advances to make for better Attributes. But mostly this only helps hit Edge rank caps, and make for higher Skill caps. But still fair because the advances are lost which could have bought different skills or edges instead.