Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1116795The irony is that you probably think that you are discussing roleplaying games.

I am discussing activist RPG creators and how they propagandising RPGs.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116831I am discussing activist RPG creators and how they propagandising RPGs.

But... they aren't, despite all the sturm und drang on this forum. My Tory-leaning son is as fond of 5e as my Lib Dem and Labour-leaning sons.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116830With  Lynne Hardy at the helm of the RPG it will be.

Mibbe eh mibbe naw. You're not going to buy it either way though eh? Cheers though I might pick the PDF up at least as a reference now.

Quote from: Naburimannu;1116832But... they aren't, despite all the sturm und drang on this forum. My Tory-leaning son is as fond of 5e as my Lib Dem and Labour-leaning sons.

Chaosium does not produce 5e fuckwit.

Quote from: Garry G;1116845Mibbe eh mibbe naw. You're not going to buy it either way though eh? Cheers though I might pick the PDF up at least as a reference now.

You can read it when you are not  reading the Guardian.  We get you are one of these leftie middle class Metropolitans so is Lynne Hardy so you should like it.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116926Chaosium does not produce 5e fuckwit.

But on this board 5e has also been widely denounced as SJW-pandering. I really haven't seen any more evidence provided by you of your claims than the people who were trying to rag on the current incarnation of D&D, so, shrug?

Quote from: Gagarth;1116927You can read it when you are not  reading the Guardian.  We get you are one of these leftie middle class Metropolitans so is Lynne Hardy so you should like it.

We'll In a fan of the books that are set in a metropolis I suppose and I have cooked a really good gumbo recipe that came from the Guardian. I'm mostly just chuffed you've talked me into buying a game and it might get me to give BRP a go again. I've got The Laundry RPG but haven't ever got around to playing it so that might get me back into the system. Have you seen the Laundry books and games?

Quote from: Naburimannu;1116936But on this board 5e has also been widely denounced as SJW-pandering. I really haven't seen any more evidence provided by you of your claims than the people who were trying to rag on the current incarnation of D&D, so, shrug?

I thought Pundit consulted on 5e?

Quote from: Gagarth;1116357The book series is Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch wonder why? https://www.thefandomentals.com/rivers-of-london-diverse-urban-fantasy/

It's an awesome series and I don't consider it obscure at all. Very interesting magic system. Interesting secret history of WW2 and post-war England. Good mystery elements. Interesting settings. This could make for a very solid urban fantasy RPG.

Quote from: The_Shadow;1116445Sounds like a very woke and diverse series. The character Dr. Abdul Haqq Walid is a Scottish ginger, and the goddess of the River Thames is black (Nigerian, to be precise). Take that, stereotypes!

It doesn't come across that way. It's set in England by an English author. They really don't have the sorts of hangups we do about race there (though they have more hangups about class). The main character is from an African family, and that's an interesting aspect to him but not woke at all and there is no social justice element to that. It just leads to a lot more conversations about food, and overprotective mothers, and what it means when your mom knows everyone from your home nation in England and can assess how distantly related you are to them and whether a favor might be owed. Also, his father, also from Africa, is a drug addict. And it's not portrayed as a nice thing. There just isn't anything woke about it. It just is.

As for the deity system, it's a pretty interesting take on deities. You're sort of drafted into godhood by circumstances. Some are born to it also, but many don't start out as a deity they just become one due to a special event associated with a river.

Quote from: sureshot;1116469It seems both Green Robin and CHaosium have money to waste. Just because something is diverse and inclusive elements does not mean it will be an automatic hit. Those who read both novel series have to also be gamers in enough amounts to warrant both spending the time and money to develop the rpg. Guess they will learn the hard way or I could be completely wrong and it's hit.

Again, reading the series, it's not about diversity or inclusiveness. These are just people in England. The primary "good guy" wizard mentor is an old white guy, by the way. There isn't much in the way of advocacy for minority issues in the books...in fact it's hard to tell what is even considered a "minority" in England since really class is much more of a "minority" issue than race or gender or religion.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116551Chaosium, an activist game company, is licensing the book series for a RPG you dickhead.   The intent of books series like this to promote multiculturalism and highlight their difficulties.  But they don't tend to highlight the downside  of multiculturalism unless it is to justify it because of muh systemic racism.

This is just plain garbage. I've read the series, and I am moderate right. The series is not about "promoting multiculturalism". It does not "highlight the difficulties" of minority groups - indeed many people who would be considered "minorities" in America hold positions of power in these books. The context here is really quite different than traditional American contexts. It's really, truly, not a series that is highlighting minority issues or multiculturalism issues - London IS multicultural and it's just portraying London. You will find more about London architecture and Roman history in these books than you will about any history of oppression of minorities or benefits of multiculturalism or any of that stuff because it's simply not about any of those things. Wherever you got the impression it is about those things, they're wrong and almost certainly have not read them.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1116596I haven't read the book series, but at least going by the article posted by the OP, it seems to be woke AF (granted, the article might be woker than the books themselves for all I know). The article mentions the books' focus on race, the protagonist frequently pointing out "microaggressions" (which are uncharitable, mind reading nonsense) and a Nigerian goddess coopting a foreign country's river. Mentioning race isn't necessarily "SJW" stuff, since sometimes race can be a relevant factor, but making a huge point of it (as the article seems to imply) can be. I wouldn't entirely dismiss the idea of foreign gods immigrating along with their worshipers, but when you have them taking over geographical features in a series that apparently (from what the article says) makes everything about race and the main character points out "microaggressions" that raises a lot of red flags.

The author of that article is a fucking loon then who is looking for woke shit where there isn't any. There is no "focus on race" in the books. The protagonist NEVER EVER points out "microaggressions" and that is not once in any way mentioned in any of the books. I have no idea what on earth possessed that article author to imagine that nonsense. He might point out macro-agrressions though - like someone casting a fireball at you, or literally ripping the flesh from your bone with a spell. He's way too busy with very serious shit to be focused on nonsense like microaggressions as people are constantly trying to kill him and the people around him. He is highly observant though, and take digs at...well...everyone?

The main character is a fucking hard-nosed cop. There is no "Nigerian goddess". There is a woman who was born in Nigeria as an ordinary person. She came to London and became a goddess of one of the rivers (goddesses are a dime a dozen in these books) due to an incident she had involving the river and the way the rivers "assign" godhood to people. It had nothing to do with her race - none of the godhood grants had anything to do with race. These books definitely do not make a huge point about race aside from the fact that the main character, as a cop, describes every new person he meets like a cop would - race, age, height, weight, clothing, jewelry, tattoos and other distinguishing marks, etc.. He's highly observant. But it's not race-specific. If someone is white he says they are white. If someone is black he says they are black. If someone is tanned he says they are tanned. He's just observing details - it's what he does.

By the way you will note that all the people in this thread (which is a fair number at this point) who have actually read one or more of the books have said when they read it, it didn't strike them as woke. And then all the people who have never read a fucking word of any of the books are calling them woke. Gee, you think maybe the people who have actual experience with this thing might be more accurate about it than the people who don't have any experience with it?

Quote from: Garry G;1116949I thought Pundit consulted on 5e?

I thought they removed his credit to pander to the SJWs?

Quote from: Mistwell;1116953By the way you will note that all the people in this thread (which is a fair number at this point) who have actually read one or more of the books have said when they read it, it didn't strike them as woke. And then all the people who have never read a fucking word of any of the books are calling them woke. Gee, you think maybe the people who have actual experience with this thing might be more accurate about it than the people who don't have any experience with it?

From a fellow UK'er who has read these books, THAT'S NOT HOW FREE SPEECH WORKS HERE

Quote from: He-Ra;1116972From a fellow UK'er who has read these books, THAT'S NOT HOW FREE SPEECH WORKS HERE

You're so metropolitan.

Quote from: Shasarak;1116960I thought they removed his credit to pander to the SJWs?

Only in the online versions...

Quote from: Naburimannu;1116936But on this board 5e has also been widely denounced as SJW-pandering. I really haven't seen any more evidence provided by you of your claims than the people who were trying to rag on the current incarnation of D&D, so, shrug?

Again wtf has that got to do with Chaosium ? Are you asking me to provide evidence in this thread for something said by others in another thread?