Quote from: Spinachcat;1116592How is any of this surprising? Chaosium is a woke SJW company now.

It's not the Chaosium of the 1980s, 1990s or even a decade ago. It's a cesspit of SJWs who believe drowning the hobby in woke propaganda is their path to cultural victory. If you buy ANYTHING from Chaosium, you know what you are supporting. If this leftist crap is the agenda you want in your games, then by all means, give Chaosium your money. Give where you are fed. Vote with your dollars. Support what you believe in.  

But don't pretend Chaosium has a lock on D100 gaming, horror RPGing or even Lovecraft and his Mythos. There are MANY small press companies to be found on DriveThru and Kickstarter who create equal or better products without the woke bullshit.




Why yes, London had both Anglos AND Saxons!

But modern London with its glorious diversity of no go zones, rape gangs and acid attacks is such an improvement! Ah, the beautiful progress and gifts of multiculturalism.

Those Japanese kids are really missing out on the kewlness!

Ha! And now we have the infamous 'no-go zones'. Total bollocks. I live in London (like S'mon) and have lived here all my life. There are no 'no-go' zones.

The horror of the gangs targeting, controlling and raping young girls are in the north of England - not London. A vile series of crimes that have nothing to do with these books and this game (that isn't even written yet, so none of us know what the writers will do with the source material).

So, you hate Chaosium, we get that. Fine. I hold no brief for that game company or any other for that matter. You seem eager to bring your hatred of SJW (silly buggers mostly, I grant you - particularly the US versions) into every discussion of any game that isn't OSR. Good luck to you. But don't talk lying shit about my city.

Quote from: Gruntfuttock;1116544Exactly! I wasn't making a case for multiculturalism or not - just stating what London is and always has been, very mixed. And that is reflected in the Rivers of London books.

Many, if not most,  urban areas are very mixed. When I walked my dog just now, two of our neighbors were talking in Quebec French. They greeted me in English and went back to talking to one another in French. There is a great deal of Portuguese spoken the neighborhood but surprisingly little Spanish. In the wider area, there is a lot of Spanish spoken but we are a Quebec/Brazil pocket. Two of the three physicians I have seen this year are named Gupta.
If someone set a game in Deerfield Beach, Florida and it reflected this, it might look pretty woke.

I read and enjoyed the first three, maybe even the fourth, books of the series, then I read the fifth and stopped.  They got less enjoyable the more the setting (and characters) got fleshed out, so I don't think I'd like an RPG treatment much.   RPGs based on a property have to take an "explain in detail" approach that wouldn't work for me in this case.

Quote from: Garry G;1116682I don't get this. Does having stories involving a muslim doctor and a muslim pc, not the main character, mean it has to be about terrorism?

No but they don't have to be about systemic racism and how minorities are always victims either.  That is the sort of world view of Lynne Hardy, Chaosium's political commissar,  who specifically sought out this licence.

Quote from: Gruntfuttock;1116546I wasn't intending to denigrate people who don't live in a diverse city - I was just pointing out that the books reflect the diversity of London, and so any rpg adaptation should show this. And the terrorism point you make is frankly crass.

The truth hurts, huh.

Quote from: Gruntfuttock;1116544Exactly! I wasn't making a case for multiculturalism or not - just stating what London is and always has been, very mixed. And that is reflected in the Rivers of London books.

The idea that London was mixed in the past does not equate to anything like the levels that we have now.  In the past the majority of London's population was not foreign born nor born to a foreign parent.

https://www.ft.com/content/41b5b302-b7e5-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738746/population-boom-baby-foreign-parents-UK-migrants

Anyway this is really irrelevant as the point is Lynne Hardy will milk this for all it is worth, ignoring the negatives,  and I am sure Chris Spivey will be brought in to add his nuanced spin to it as well. No doubt it will also get a multiculturalism version of this statement from the Berlin book "This is all to say, having an LGBTQI investigator in the group is not only possible but probable".  The only saving grace would be if Lynne Hardy was shunted off to do this and kept far away from the the Cthulhu line .

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Quote from: WillInNewHaven;1116700Many, if not most,  urban areas are very mixed. When I walked my dog just now, two of our neighbors were talking in Quebec French. They greeted me in English and went back to talking to one another in French. There is a great deal of Portuguese spoken the neighborhood but surprisingly little Spanish. In the wider area, there is a lot of Spanish spoken but we are a Quebec/Brazil pocket. Two of the three physicians I have seen this year are named Gupta.
If someone set a game in Deerfield Beach, Florida and it reflected this, it might look pretty woke.

That's a tad ironic since two of the 9/11 terrorists stayed in Deerfield Beach before the attacks. It is also ironic that Deerfield Beach is in South Florida which is a Mecca for illegal immigrants just like London.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116746No but they don't have to be about systemic racism and how minorities are always victims either.  That is the sort of world view of Lynne Hardy, Chaosium's political commissar,  who specifically sought out this licence.

You're in luck then because the books aren't about systemic racism and victimised minorities. It's got a diverse cast of successful professionals.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116748Anyway this is really irrelevant as the point is Lynne Hardy will milk this for all it is worth, ignoring the negatives,  and I am sure Chris Spivey will be brought in to add his nuanced spin to it as well. No doubt it will also get a multiculturalism version of this statement from the Berlin book "This is all to say, having an LGBTQI investigator in the group is not only possible but probable".  The only saving grace would be if Lynne Hardy was shunted off to do this and kept far away from the the Cthulhu line .

There is a good reason to be cautious when exposing some people to the occult.

Especially if they already have two or more cats.

Quote from: Gagarth;1116750That's a tad ironic since two of the 9/11 terrorists stayed in Deerfield Beach before the attacks. It is also ironic that Deerfield Beach is in South Florida which is a Mecca for illegal immigrants just like London.

The irony is that you probably think that you are discussing roleplaying games.

Quote from: Shasarak;1116780There is a good reason to be cautious when exposing some people to the occult.

Especially if they already have two or more cats.

You mean like Pundit? Oh, wait! ...I also have two cats! :eek:

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;1116703I read and enjoyed the first three, maybe even the fourth, books of the series, then I read the fifth and stopped.  They got less enjoyable the more the setting (and characters) got fleshed out, so I don't think I'd like an RPG treatment much.   RPGs based on a property have to take an "explain in detail" approach that wouldn't work for me in this case.

It could be done as a learn as you go thing. I tend to only like games that can be described in broad strokes and a starting point of 'you're brand new magic polis' is a pretty broad stroke. Like the books you can bring stuff in gradually if you want to use it. I'm still a bit over BRP but I could see buying it as a reference for another game.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1116796You mean like Pundit? Oh, wait! ...I also have two cats! :eek:

That... that could explain a lot actually.

I liked the books and I think there's a current lack of a good urban fantasy game.  The books could definitely serve as inspiration for a London based urban fantasy game.

But I just don't think a licensed property is the best way to go about this kind of game.  Better to make something original in the same spirit, but designed for rpgs games from the start,

Quote from: Garry G;1116752You're in luck then because the books aren't about systemic racism and victimised minorities. It's got a diverse cast of successful professionals.

With  Lynne Hardy at the helm of the RPG it will be.