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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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Bobloblah

#30
May 22, 2013, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: bryce0lynch;656617What's left to reprint?
Arguably RC or BECMI. I suspect BECMI may get the 0e D&D reprint treatment - call it a hunch - as it is not yet on dndclassics.com, whereas B/X already is. If you notice, there's currently no overlap between reprints and that site, leading me to believe that anything reprinted isn't going to be on there for a while, and anything major that's neither on there or reprinted will eventually be reprinted.
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Bobloblah

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Black Vulmea

#31
May 22, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
Quote from: Claudius;656568But it does have to do with editions.
Larry Elmore produced artwork for 1e and The Dragon years before 2e appeared, and it royally blew then, too.

It has jack-all to do with editions.
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ACS

Black Vulmea

#32
May 22, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656614The only one who appears to have a clenched sphincter here is you.
'I know you are, but what am I?!'

:rotfl:

Quote from: Bobloblah;656614Other than the fact that his art features prominently in that edition, is throughout the preferred printing under discussion, and is actually liked by many of that editions' fans, yeah, nothing to do with that edition at all.
Larry Elmore's artwork for TSR goes back to at least 1983, six years before 2e.

Quote from: Bobloblah;656614I'm really not the least bit interested in how your love for some things 2E somehow validates your ignorance. I do not particularly care whether or not you personally like AD&D2nd - you made a ridiculous assertion, and I pointed how stupid it was.
Keep fucking that chicken, 'blah.
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Sacrosanct

#33
May 22, 2013, 10:50:15 AM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656614Other than the fact that his art features prominently in that edition, is throughout the preferred printing under discussion, and is actually liked by many of that editions' fans, yeah, nothing to do with that edition at all. Wait, who was the nitwit, again?.


Um...Larry Elmore is most famous for his BECMI cover work, and then probably the Dragonlance stuff after that.  The 2e painting falls way behind those.  Heck, probably after Snarfquest in fact as well.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#34
May 22, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;656622'I know you are, but what am I?!'

:rotfl:
This is the best you have? Really?

Quote from: Black Vulmea;656622Larry Elmore's artwork for TSR goes back to at least 1983, six years before 2e.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;656627Um...Larry Elmore is most famous for his BECMI cover work, and then probably the Dragonlance stuff after that.  The 2e painting falls way behind those.  Heck, probably after Snarfquest in fact as well.
What do either of these have to do with whether or not 2E-lovers like Elmore? The original assertion was that more of his stuff would reduce sales of the AD&D 2nd reprints. It was a stupid assertion from someone who doesn't like his art, no doubt made for a laugh.

I don't like some of Elmore's art, but I'm not dumb enough to suggest that his inclusion would lower AD&D2nd reprint sales, then try and obfuscate by pointing how long he'd been around before that.
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Bobloblah

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Brad

#35
May 22, 2013, 11:13:52 AM
Got mine yesterday...and of course they used the revised layout for the interior, which sucks a royal donkey dick. Had I know this prior to receiving the books, I would not have ordered them.

Not super pissed, but fairly annoyed.
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Claudius

#36
May 22, 2013, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;656620Larry Elmore produced artwork for 1e and The Dragon years before 2e appeared, and it royally blew then, too.

It has jack-all to do with editions.
So what? That's not what we're talking about, at least me. My point is that most people would have preferred the 1989 version of AD&D2, because of the art.
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Benoist

#37
May 22, 2013, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Brad;656634Got mine yesterday...and of course they used the revised layout for the interior, which sucks a royal donkey dick. Had I know this prior to receiving the books, I would not have ordered them.

Not super pissed, but fairly annoyed.

What's wrong with that layout?

Endless Flight

#38
May 22, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
I just wanted to say I like Larry Elmore's artwork, especially the BECMI stuff. Wish it would have been in the Rules Cyclopedia.

Sacrosanct

#39
May 22, 2013, 11:57:03 AM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656632What do either of these have to do with whether or not 2E-lovers like Elmore? The original assertion was that more of his stuff would reduce sales of the AD&D 2nd reprints. It was a stupid assertion from someone who doesn't like his art, no doubt made for a laugh.
.

This I agree with.  His work was better than anything in any of the reprints.  I like him.  Not only for his work, but because he's a stand up guy too.

I guess I read your comment to mean that Elmore is most famous for his 2e work.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#40
May 22, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: Benoist;656640What's wrong with that layout?
Don't want to speak for Brad, but I can say that the revised books went to 2-column layout from 3-column, and changed a lot of other aesthetic details about the layout (e.g. fonts, colours, borders) that make the whole thing less readable. The layout changes also upped the page-count, which, along with the readability, reduced the usefulness of the books at the table (i.e harder to find information quickly).
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

Bobloblah

#41
May 22, 2013, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656644This I agree with...I guess I read your comment to mean that Elmore is most famous for his 2e work.
Thanks for saying so.
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

Sacrosanct

#42
May 22, 2013, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656646Don't want to speak for Brad, but I can say that the revised books went to 2-column layout from 3-column, and changed a lot of other aesthetic details about the layout (e.g. fonts, colours, borders) that make the whole thing less readable. The layout changes also upped the page-count, which, along with the readability, reduced the usefulness of the books at the table (i.e harder to find information quickly).

I guess I'm the only one who actually liked the Academia font.  Granted, the art went from mediocre to outright bad in the reprints, but the quality of the books was much, much higher.  None of my black border books fell apart like the 1st printing ones did.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#43
May 22, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656648I guess I'm the only one who actually liked the Academia font.
Yes, it's only you. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656648Granted, the art went from mediocre to outright bad in the reprints, but the quality of the books was much, much higher.  None of my black border books fell apart like the 1st printing ones did.
This is certainly true. I was trying to think of some way in which the reprints were better, and this would be pretty much it. My own first printing copies are in more-or-less mint condition, but that's because they were my spares, and the originals mostly disintegrated.
Best,
Bobloblah

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Brad

#44
May 22, 2013, 02:27:14 PM Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 03:01:11 PM by Brad
Quote from: Bobloblah;656646Don't want to speak for Brad, but I can say that the revised books went to 2-column layout from 3-column, and changed a lot of other aesthetic details about the layout (e.g. fonts, colours, borders) that make the whole thing less readable. The layout changes also upped the page-count, which, along with the readability, reduced the usefulness of the books at the table (i.e harder to find information quickly).

That's my assessment...the first printing was easier to read, mostly because it was a smaller font in a three-column layout. The "2.5" version books (including Player Options, etc.) are just fugly. The colors are ugly, it's hard to read, the art is shittier, and it's much harder to scan the text quickly. For the $90 I dropped on the reprints, I probably could have bought four sets of mint first printing....

I'll also add I dislike the 1st Edition reprints, too, because even though the layout is the same, the font is slightly different and just looks weird. So far, not a fan of any of these reprints, but of course I'm buying all of them because I'm an idiot.
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