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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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Benoist

#45
May 22, 2013, 02:47:55 PM
OK. I like the layout of the black reprints actually.

Brad

#46
May 22, 2013, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Benoist;656686OK. I like the layout of the black reprints actually.

That's horrible.

I will say the covers are super nice, though. And the quality is top notch, so you might seriously consider getting a set.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Benoist

#47
May 22, 2013, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: Brad;656689That's horrible.

:D

Quote from: Brad;656689I will say the covers are super nice, though. And the quality is top notch, so you might seriously consider getting a set.

How's the paper of the reprints?

Brad

#48
May 22, 2013, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Benoist;656690How's the paper of the reprints?

Looks to be about a 70# glossy, which is twice as thick as cheap printer paper. I rubbed some of the ink to test it, seems not to streak or anything.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Black Vulmea

#49
May 22, 2013, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656644I guess I read your comment to mean that Elmore is most famous for his 2e work.
I did, too, and I think given his many years of output prior to 2e, particularly a little product line known as Dragonlance, that that's a debatable claim.
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Planet Algol

#50
May 22, 2013, 03:49:20 PM
For me, when I think of 2e, I don't think of Elmore. I was probably disappointed by the lack of Elmore in the initial 2e core after being wowed by his saturated presence in BECMI.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

Sacrosanct

#51
May 22, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: Planet Algol;656724For me, when I think of 2e, I don't think of Elmore. I was probably disappointed by the lack of Elmore in the initial 2e core after being wowed by his saturated presence in BECMI.

It's like Lorraine decided, "fuck all the established artists we have, let's replace them all with subpar ones who will work much cheaper."
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Benoist

#52
May 22, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656727It's like Lorraine decided, "fuck all the established artists we have, let's replace them all with subpar ones who will work much cheaper."

Well... I wouldn't discount that possibility, honestly.

Frey

#53
May 22, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
I'll just get the Monstrous Manual, which still is the best D&D monsters book ever released.

Sacrosanct

#54
May 22, 2013, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: Frey;656735I'll just get the Monstrous Manual, which still is the best D&D monsters book ever released.

Presentation and format?  Absolutely.  But the art is still subpar.  Whenever I mention that Tony D's art seems like it belongs in a children's book to me instead of an RPG, people have flipped the fuck out and said that's catergorically untrue, and act like I somehow said Tony D sucks.  His art doesn't suck, it's quite good.  For a children's book.

Funny enough, that strong defensive reaction still happened when I pointed to Tony's own blog where where he said he only did D&D to get into the industry, and his favorite art style is that found in old childrens' books, and that's the type of work he wants to do.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#55
May 22, 2013, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656737Tony D's art seems like it belongs in a children's book to me instead of an RPG...Tony D sucks.
That's categorically untrue! I can't believe you'd say he sucks!

But seriously, what're you, nuts?! You like all the art from the AD&D PHB, but then complain DiTerlizzi's stuff looks childish?

Okay, okay...just lemme calm down. Alright...I'll admit that DiTerlizzi's work was an acquired taste for me - it's very stylized - but I think it's the Planescape setting helped it worm its way into my heart. To me, it just made the setting, much like Stephen Fabian did for Ravenloft.

Besides, you obviously have lousy taste.

P.S.: Hasn't DiTerlizzi more recently done illustration for some children's books?
Best,
Bobloblah

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Sacrosanct

#56
May 22, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656749That's categorically untrue! I can't believe you'd say he sucks!

But seriously, what're you, nuts?! You like all the art from the AD&D PHB, but then complain DiTerlizzi's stuff looks childish?

the art from AD&D was more mature and not childish.  Tony D's was.  By his own admission.  By the time the MM came out, I was an adult, and was not attracted to children style art.  
QuoteP.S.: Hasn't DiTerlizzi more recently done illustration for some children's books?

I know he did the work for the Spiderwick Chronicles a few years back.  I'm sure there were others.  But like I said (or rather, like I repeated what he said), D&D was just to get a name.  His love is children's style of art.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#57
May 22, 2013, 05:20:22 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;656753the art from AD&D was more mature and not childish.  Tony D's was.  By his own admission.  By the time the MM came out, I was an adult, and was not attracted to children style art.
You know what's not funny? Jokes, when you have to explain them. Apparently my delivery isn't all that.
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

Sacrosanct

#58
May 22, 2013, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656756You know what's not funny? Jokes, when you have to explain them. Apparently my delivery isn't all that.

Eh.  I wouldn't worry about it.  I've been known to be oblivous to jokes in the past.  More of a me thing than a you thing.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Opaopajr

#59
May 22, 2013, 06:34:24 PM
I like my fantasy art to be, well, fantastic.

That includes feathered hair ren-faire maidens next to bella sara unicorns and pastel Tony D fae (with Julie Bell, Boris Vallejo oiled-up beefcake barbarians in the background).

They all can't be Brom or Jeff Dee art, (or the amateurish scrawl that passes for such in AD&D 1e...)
:p
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