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AD&D 2E reprints (hate thread)

Started by 1989, May 21, 2013, 01:10:07 PM

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mhensley

#15
May 21, 2013, 06:51:19 PM
They should have actually spent a little time on these and put in the best art from the 2e era.  It should have been chock full of elmore and caldwell.

Planet Algol

#16
May 21, 2013, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;656509I know! People should be hung for shooting video in portrait!
Haha, I was going to make a crack about that... ...but there's just so much going on with that video; it makes the laffs all on it's own.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

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The Butcher

#17
May 21, 2013, 06:58:03 PM
Pity that they've decidd to reprint the less inspired version.

I'd have bought a reprint of the 1989 2e books. I'd also have bought a reprint of the 1983 1e books with the Easley covers.

But whatever they stick on the cover, I'll sure as hell pony up when they decide to reprint the RC.

And hopefully I'll be able cough up well over $100 for the OD&D deluxe wooden box reprint/reissue/whatever.

Ronin

#18
May 21, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
OK my inner weapon nerd is coming out. First Gene is an idiot. Secondly. the true point of a flail, is that you strike a shield with the tip of the baton section and the ball and chain section wraps around the shield and strikes the defender. Otherwise all you have as idiot gene demonstrates, is a really crappy club.
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Black Vulmea

#19
May 21, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: mhensley;656510It should have been chock full of elmore and caldwell.
So they could sell even fewer copies?
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VectorSigma

#20
May 21, 2013, 09:37:29 PM
Quote from: 1989;656420Yeah, they reprinted the 1995 version rather than the 1989 version. Was bummed out when I heard that because I really didn't like the art in the 1995 version.

Would have bought several copies of them had they reprinted the 1989 version.

Ditto.  Well, a copy, anyway.
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Bobloblah

#21
May 21, 2013, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;656532So they could sell even fewer copies?
No, so they could sell far more to the people who actually like AD&D2nd, unlike you.

Quote from: Rincewind1;656417So reprints are bad because...?

Because honestly - the guys finally answered the criticism for their underhanded moves in regard of attempt to force in 4e, yet it seems unless WotC sets the timer back to the 90s, or lick boots of every fan of 2e/1e they've ever insulted, nothing they'll put out will be good enough.
Excluded middle? As soon as it was announced that the reprints for AD&D2nd  were coming, and that they were the Black Border versions, fans of that edition (who would admit it) immediately started criticizing the choice. Obviously not everyone hates them, but it certainly seems, anecdotally, that AD&D2nd fans would have mostly preferred the 1989 first-printing versions.

Imagine WotC deciding to reprint AD&D, but only re-printing the AD&D2nd books. It'd be nothing short of a major gaffe. My impression is that this is much the same for a lot of AD&D2nd fans.
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Benoist

#22
May 21, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Quote from: Melan;656449Well, it's a...

...wait, someone still cares about 2e? GENE! Bring out the flail! ;)

This is just... AWESOME. :D

Black Vulmea

#23
May 21, 2013, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656537No, so they could sell far more to the people who actually like AD&D2nd, unlike you.
I have no real opinion about 2e, actually. I never played it, and aside from the section on specialist wizards in the 2e PHB, I've never read the core books for it at all. In fact, I've only read a handful of the supplements for it, and I like what I read - Al Qadim is a great setting, and A Mighty Fortress has some good stuff for running late Renaissance and Early Modern campaigns.

Thinking Larry Elmore's art sucks the sweat off a donkey's balls has nothing to do with editions, so unclench your sphincter, nitwit.
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Opaopajr

#24
May 21, 2013, 11:51:14 PM
No one but me commands my sphincters!

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The Butcher

#25
May 21, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Nostalgia and pretty art both factor into several buyers' decision on whether to pick up a reprint (well, it did factor in on mine).

The 1989 covers by Jeff Easley rocks. The 1995 covers, also by Easley (I think), suck donkey balls (and don't get me started on the interior art). Same game, same artist, one I love, the other leaves me cold.

Claudius

#26
May 22, 2013, 02:03:00 AM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;656543Thinking Larry Elmore's art sucks the sweat off a donkey's balls has nothing to do with editions, so unclench your sphincter, nitwit.
But it does have to do with editions. You may not like Larry Elmore's art, but a lot of people do. If the reprints had been based on the 1989 version, it would have been better received, in my humble opinion.
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#27
May 22, 2013, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: Black Vulmea;656543...so unclench your sphincter, nitwit.
The only one who appears to have a clenched sphincter here is you.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;656543Thinking Larry Elmore's art sucks the sweat off a donkey's balls has nothing to do with editions...
Other than the fact that his art features prominently in that edition, is throughout the preferred printing under discussion, and is actually liked by many of that editions' fans, yeah, nothing to do with that edition at all. Wait, who was the nitwit, again?

Quote from: Black Vulmea;656543I have no real opinion about 2e, actually. I blah, blah, blah...
I'm really not the least bit interested in how your love for some things 2E somehow validates your ignorance. I do not particularly care whether or not you personally like AD&D2nd - you made a ridiculous assertion, and I pointed how stupid it was.
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Rincewind1

#28
May 22, 2013, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Bobloblah;656537No, so they could sell far more to the people who actually like AD&D2nd, unlike you.


Excluded middle? As soon as it was announced that the reprints for AD&D2nd  were coming, and that they were the Black Border versions, fans of that edition (who would admit it) immediately started criticizing the choice. Obviously not everyone hates them, but it certainly seems, anecdotally, that AD&D2nd fans would have mostly preferred the 1989 first-printing versions.

Imagine WotC deciding to reprint AD&D, but only re-printing the AD&D2nd books. It'd be nothing short of a major gaffe. My impression is that this is much the same for a lot of AD&D2nd fans.

I have no dog in this fight, but fair enough. Still, it feels a bit like it's again Not Good Enough, for a value of Good that falls anything short of WotC turning the clock back to actual 1989. After years of RPG developers pretending like older editions of their games never happened, it's good to see some work towards the reverse.

Quote from: Ronin;656530OK my inner weapon nerd is coming out. First Gene is an idiot. Secondly. the true point of a flail, is that you strike a shield with the tip of the baton section and the ball and chain section wraps around the shield and strikes the defender. Otherwise all you have as idiot gene demonstrates, is a really crappy club.

Not to mention the gentle taps (come on, my grandmother could swing harder than that, and she had leukaemia) and the horizontal swinging motion, rather than vertical.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

bryce0lynch

#29
May 22, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
What's left to reprint? RC?

I wouldn't mind having new print copies of Basic/Expert.
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