Quote from: Doom;786403From actual play, the warlock has been casting a cantrip every round.

To be fair, Warlocks are very much the Cantrip based class. Most of their non at will magic options are pretty limited.

From actual play, the Cleric casts the Guidance cantrip on every ability/skill check possible. +1d4 is pretty good!

Don't get me wrong, the game is the game...but I just find the infinite cantrips a little grating. One can certainly apologize by saying it's only for clerics and warlocks, of course.

Quote from: Doom;786436From actual play, the Cleric casts the Guidance cantrip on every ability/skill check possible. +1d4 is pretty good!

Yeah, I am not actually sure Guidance works the way they thought it would. You are clearly supposed to want to cast in advance and then maintain it with Concentration until it is needed, rather than just recasting it before every skill check.

I definitely have my eye on it and if it starts getting spammed like that in my game I will probably increase the casting time substantially.

Quote from: Doom;786436From actual play, the Cleric casts the Guidance cantrip on every ability/skill check possible. +1d4 is pretty good!

Don't get me wrong, the game is the game...but I just find the infinite cantrips a little grating. One can certainly apologize by saying it's only for clerics and warlocks, of course.

Meh, here is how it reads...

QuoteGuidance
Divination cantrip
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Touch
Components: V, S
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute
You touch one willing creature. Once before the spell
ends, the target can roll a d4 and add the number rolled
to one ability check of its choice. It can roll the die before
or after making the ability check. The spell then ends.

You touch somebody likely before making the check you stand by concentrating up to a minute or whenever the recipient decides to use the bonus within that minute and done. If circumstances allow you could try again of course. Don't see much spam potential in that honestly. I mean it's nice to get a +2ish (avg roll on a d4 is 2.5) on a skill roll is pretty neat but it sure isn't game breaking. What it does do is make a Bard or Rogue more effective at their job when the pressure is on making it unlikely that the cleric is just going to keep casting a spell that requires concentration yet really doesn't give a signifigant bonus compared to other options or the actual situation happening around the party.

No, it works like how Doom describes. Clerics essentially get a "1st lvl Proficiency Bonus" for every skill check they attempt, and may loan it out. Sure it is a one-shot bonus lasting up to a minute, but you can easily cast it again soon after the last one went off. Barring bonus or extra actions, you can easily cast it on yourself every other round, and easily upon others every round (though you should wait and Help for even MOAR!, see below).

The only limit is the setting context, and how many relevant ability checks make themselves available.

Even 'worse' (relative) they can cast it on someone else a round before, then Help later to give them Adv. As long as the task can reasonably receive help (i.e. not merely threading a needle), or the check is not totally dependent on being proficient (i.e. Herbalists' Kit proficiency needed to create antitoxin or potion of healing), you can Help. +2 w/ Adv on each applicable check can be a thing, I hear.

Quote from: CRKrueger;786281oh Christ here we go, wait for it...

5e isn't even fully released yet and already we hear how the game that gives us unlimited and unstoppable Pew Pew, among other things is less caster dominant than TSR editions.

How about wait for the game to be released fully so there's actually a chance you're not just lying?

My PHB arrived weeks ago.  Might check the address on your order...

Quote from: Opaopajr;786493No, it works like how Doom describes. Clerics essentially get a "1st lvl Proficiency Bonus" for every skill check they attempt, and may loan it out. Sure it is a one-shot bonus lasting up to a minute, but you can easily cast it again soon after the last one went off. Barring bonus or extra actions, you can easily cast it on yourself every other round, and easily upon others every round (though you should wait and Help for even MOAR!, see below).

The only limit is the setting context, and how many relevant ability checks make themselves available.

Even 'worse' (relative) they can cast it on someone else a round before, then Help later to give them Adv. As long as the task can reasonably receive help (i.e. not merely threading a needle), or the check is not totally dependent on being proficient (i.e. Herbalists' Kit proficiency needed to create antitoxin or potion of healing), you can Help. +2 w/ Adv on each applicable check can be a thing, I hear.

It's not game breaking, but it is frickin' annoying (an extra die roll on most out-of-combat die rolls). I totally grant it's not "cure wounds", so it can't fit as a first level spell, but it's a pretty awesomely spamtastic cantrip. Maybe as a once-a-day after-the-roll Cleric pseudo-domain power, it would work...but it's too much for every roll (heck, PF's version, that only gives a +1, is irksome).

If clerics weren't nigh mandatory for their healing (and they're not *that* mandatory in 5e, at least so far), they'd be mandatory for this cantrip.

I've already had my goofy spasm of rant about spamtastic Cantrips. Guidance is up there, but Prestidigitation/Thaumaturgy (and now Druidcraft!) absolutely take the cake for me. I forbid myself from taking a race/class combo that grants me access to those spells, the temptation is too great.

... and I am absolutely dying to play some sort of Gene Wilder & Sammy Davis, Jr. mashup of a Candyman (Prestidigitation Charlatan). Selling jawbreakers and pixie sticks and chocolate to all those around, for a song — and a dance if you wait! (pebbles, sawdust, & poo are cheap supplies)

... and then I want to play Jet Set Radio, roller blading around Waterdeep tagging things with Prestidigitation, faking my own grind sparks as I trick from one railing to another, skating past the guards.

It is simply too much power for me.

Quote from: mcbobbo;786531My PHB arrived weeks ago.  Might check the address on your order...

Pretty sure he means at least the standard core: PHB, MM, DMG. Pretty darn sure.

Quote from: Opaopajr;786493No, it works like how Doom describes. Clerics essentially get a "1st lvl Proficiency Bonus" for every skill check they attempt, and may loan it out. Sure it is a one-shot bonus lasting up to a minute, but you can easily cast it again soon after the last one went off. Barring bonus or extra actions, you can easily cast it on yourself every other round, and easily upon others every round (though you should wait and Help for even MOAR!, see below).

The only limit is the setting context, and how many relevant ability checks make themselves available.

Even 'worse' (relative) they can cast it on someone else a round before, then Help later to give them Adv. As long as the task can reasonably receive help (i.e. not merely threading a needle), or the check is not totally dependent on being proficient (i.e. Herbalists' Kit proficiency needed to create antitoxin or potion of healing), you can Help. +2 w/ Adv on each applicable check can be a thing, I hear.

Concentration is huge though. The cleric just standing there after giving the rogue "guidance" gets hit then spell gone. As I said it really depends on the environment and circumstances. In a perfect situation? Great, spam away. In a time sensitive or otherwise situation? Not relevant usually.

There is also the 1 minute limitation. Guidance is useless for long-term actions like performance or information gathering.

In adventure situations (i.e. dungeon crawls), due to the concentration it has to compete with all other long term buff spells like Blessing or Mage Armor that give more mileage in actually critical situations.

I expect as soon as long term buffs come online Guidance will remain nice for the right skill use in the right situation, but nothing worth to sacrifice already running major buffs for.

Quote from: Opaopajr;786579Pretty sure he means at least the standard core: PHB, MM, DMG. Pretty darn sure.

Yeah, except none of the three are core.

Quote from: RPGPundit;787755Yeah, except none of the three are core.

In which case No. The full Basic rules arent out yet. Theres enough to play, but parts are missing yet.

Soon enough though that will change (late October/early November) aaagh! the waiting!

Quote from: Omega;787765In which case No. The full Basic rules arent out yet. Theres enough to play, but parts are missing yet.

Soon enough though that will change (late October/early November) aaagh! the waiting!

There definitely are "parts missing" in Basic, as I have found in my PbP here. i.e. You can jog, even Dash, but good luck sprinting RAW.

Quote from: Opaopajr;787774There definitely are "parts missing" in Basic, as I have found in my PbP here. i.e. You can jog, even Dash, but good luck sprinting RAW.

Giving that Jumping more than your move is a Strength (Athletics) check [p. 177], I am assuming that Running more than your move would be the same.