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Corehammer: Tabletop wargames full of racists, misogynists, homophobes, right-wingers

Started by Shipyard Locked, July 05, 2015, 08:41:51 AM

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Shipyard Locked

July 05, 2015, 08:41:51 AM
So this call to action went out:

http://www.corehammer.com/social-wargaming-part-1-social-justice-wargamer/

Key quotes:

Quote"Geek culture" – if you can contain that idea in your mind without being violently ill - had a turning point in the last few years.

Quote{After the author brings up and attacks gamergate} We need that dialogue to start in the tabletop community...

QuoteThe reason there aren't many women doing it isn't because they're not interested, or because they can't, it's because of the environment that we've either created or have allowed to form, excluding them.

QuoteHomophobia is fucking rampant, mostly it's indirect and ignorant, but that doesn't mean it's not damaging.

QuoteAnother thing I think is a big part of the problem is how much right wing views are accepted, within the hobby. How much racism, homophobia, sexism and military fetishism is allowed to slide.

QuotePeople get offended, you're not 'hilarious'' edgy' 'comedian' Ricky Gervais, it's not your job to say ridiculously offensive things and then complain that those offended are being overly sensitive.

QuotePolitical correctness isn't a bad thing, unless you like beating up gay men and calling them queers.

QuoteYou know the types, period accurate Third Reich armies for Bolt Action and Flames of War, Iron Crosses everywhere, hatred of Jews. Again, it should be obvious that this is wrong.

QuoteSolidarity with hobbyists can make people see the error of their ways, or at least silence them, so more progressive people don't have to listen to their bollocks.

Quote(Image of a tank with an iron cross flag draped over its front edge) cut this shit right out.

Full disclosure, I'm a leftist, I'm not voting republican next year, and I'm pleased with recent supreme court decisions, but I find a lot of this article uncomfortably censorious, scolding, and inaccurate.

So is this where wargaming is headed? Am I wrong to be uncomfortable with things like "period accuracy" being interpreted in the worst possible way?

Piestrio

#1
July 05, 2015, 08:58:34 AM
Jesus fucking Christ.
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David Johansen

#2
July 05, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
Well, that's one way to look at it I suppose.  On the other hand, many of the players at gaming stores are teenage boys who have issues.   I think teaching by example rather than excluding them would be more useful to society as a whole.

This guy is just one more embarrassing person who is embarrassed by his hobby and trying to change it to justify his presence therein.

I'm all for a better behaved and more inclusive hobby but that isn't achieved by excluding people.
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Snowman0147

#3
July 05, 2015, 11:11:44 AM
They went after comic books, after that athiests, after that video games, they move on to metal, and now onto wargaming.  They are not going to stop unless they destroy these hobbies, or we give them the fucking boot to the ass.

Gronan of Simmerya

#4
July 05, 2015, 05:07:52 PM
As a miniatures wargamer since 1971, all these things are true... of certain people in the hobby, and always have been.

I tend to ignore them rather than "fight the bad guys" because I focus my activism elsewhere.  If somebody spouts off I may say something.
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Thornhammer

#6
July 05, 2015, 06:40:52 PM
Any more, I see the words "social justice" together and it's like flipping the Interest Switch to the "off" position.

Ronin

#7
July 05, 2015, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: Thornhammer;839711Any more, I see the words "social justice" together and it's like flipping the Interest Switch to the "off" position.

I echo this sentiment.
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Ratman_tf

#8
July 05, 2015, 09:11:50 PM
I love Big Brother.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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Piestrio

#9
July 06, 2015, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: Thornhammer;839711Any more, I see the words "social justice" together and it's like flipping the Interest Switch to the "off" position.

I've still yet to hear a coherent definition of "Social Justice".

And the fact that it's somehow conceived as separate from "Justice" makes me suspicious, what is "Social Justice" if not "Justice"? Why the need for a seperate label?
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TristramEvans

#10
July 06, 2015, 12:59:37 AM
Quote from: Piestrio;839765I've still yet to hear a coherent definition of "Social Justice".

And the fact that it's somehow conceived as separate from "Justice" makes me suspicious, what is "Social Justice" if not "Justice"? Why the need for a seperate label?

Here's the difference:

Justice is concerned with the behaviour.

Social Justice is concerned with the target.

With justice, if the behaviour is wrong, the circumstances are inconsequential.
With social justice, any behaviour is acceptable, as long as its the right target.


Thats why they have different definitions of racism and sexism.

Spinachcat

#11
July 06, 2015, 01:14:28 AM
I've played Warhammer over 20 years. Maybe dumbass needs new friends because I've very rarely encountered whatever dumbass is whining about.

Do teenage boys act like...teenage boys? Uh...yeah. Whether they are playing Halo, tiddly winks, spank a monkey or 40k.  Dear SJWs - good fucking luck with changing teenage boys. Finger wagging vs. raging hormones? Who's gonna win?

I'm not a historical wargamer, but I know some guys who really enjoy playing the Axis side and I'm pretty sure a couple I've met over the decades probably romanticize the Nazis, but making believe those few are common in the hobby is - as they say across the pond - just plain bollocks.

Quote from: Piestrio;839651Jesus fucking Christ.

Even he can't help these fucktards.

jeff37923

#12
July 06, 2015, 03:27:32 AM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;839650So this call to action went out:

http://www.corehammer.com/social-wargaming-part-1-social-justice-wargamer/


What a weak-minded fool.

Best thing that could happen is to ignore this fucktard's blog.
"Meh."

Alathon

#13
July 06, 2015, 08:45:59 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;839784What a weak-minded fool.

Best thing that could happen is to ignore this fucktard's blog.

If you're a fan of the genre, better hope that other people ignore it too, and that the companies who make the stuff you want have the fortitude to tune out HuffPo/NYT running hit pieces on them.  Things got pretty far in videogameland before the social justice bigots got slaughtered by GG, and that took a lot of people standing up.

Shipyard Locked

#14
July 06, 2015, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Alathon;839978Things got pretty far in videogameland before the social justice bigots got slaughtered by GG...

Don't go sounding any victory fanfares yet, the "GG = unspeakable terrorist nazi, SJW = innocent pedestal-mounted martyr" narrative is still going and still the lens through which the mainstream perceives that issue. As one pro-GG guy put it, "Victory will be when neutral fence-sitters look at GG, then look at SJWs and declare both sides to be insufferable opinionated assholes."
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