Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Besides the repulsion value, I'm wondering what kind of audience that is aimed at. Is it large enough and profitable enough to be catered to by WotC? If Baldur's Gate is part of a DnD setting, then is this a sneak peak at what we can expect for the future of DnD digital offerings?

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 09, 2023, 05:25:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Besides the repulsion value, I'm wondering what kind of audience that is aimed at. Is it large enough and profitable enough to be catered to by WotC? If Baldur's Gate is part of a DnD setting, then is this a sneak peak at what we can expect for the future of DnD digital offerings?

I have a transexual character in my CoC campaign right now. I don't need for WotC to tell me that I HAVE to have them in D&D. Nor, for the very same reason, I'll have them because WotC tells me so.

As I wrote before, I just checked if sex change was available in the States in 1920. It was. The character is a high-level prostitute for "special tastes" that already provided inside info about the Silver Twilight Lodge. Also, when we played "Dead Light" (the Dead Light is an eldritch horror that kills "aberrations") she was the only target. If she is alive is only because another character had 5% probability of passing a specific skill and she rolled 02 - astounding the table.

Funnily enough, this transexual character is a "she". "Pronouns? What are they?" - (my players)

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 09, 2023, 05:25:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Besides the repulsion value, I'm wondering what kind of audience that is aimed at.

Probably the same people who laughed at the rumors that Leo DeCaprio gets raped by bear in The Revenant.

Question for someone who has the game (I do not)... does the vampire in that particular bit happen to look anything like DeCaprio?

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
The specific question you were asking made no sense, because the implicit standard behind it would disqualify almost anything from being included in a game or story. I literally (or figuratively?) had to wrack my brain trying to figure out other type of underlying issue could there be that I might be missing before I remembered that D&D (the TTRPG, not the M rated BG video game) is marketed at ages 12+, which I think is what made the inclusion of genital customization seem odd (I think most people here have pointed out at some point that genital customization was really the oddest part of this whole thing, rather than the bear sex, specifically).

This is an interesting way to admit I was right to ask the question, after saying it made no sense.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 03:12:47 PMI will as soon as GeekySarkeesian admits he just wants to censor things, cuz he's a Right-Wing SJW.

I think Geeky is making a mistake going all in on the degeneracy angle.

Of course, he's not on the side that promotes putting gay sex manuals in schools, either. But that's a different discussion.

The fact is that unless you're planning to market to prurient interest, why on earth would you have genital customization, or fairly graphic discussion and depiction of sex, in a game at all? If you want to put that in a game, fine, but you're getting filed right next to Subverse. Are we playing D&D, or Fantasy Fuck Simulator?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
The specific question you were asking made no sense, because the implicit standard behind it would disqualify almost anything from being included in a game or story. I literally (or figuratively?) had to wrack my brain trying to figure out other type of underlying issue could there be that I might be missing before I remembered that D&D (the TTRPG, not the M rated BG video game) is marketed at ages 12+, which I think is what made the inclusion of genital customization seem odd (I think most people here have pointed out at some point that genital customization was really the oddest part of this whole thing, rather than the bear sex, specifically).

This is an interesting way to admit I was right to ask the question, after saying it made no sense.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 03:12:47 PMI will as soon as GeekySarkeesian admits he just wants to censor things, cuz he's a Right-Wing SJW.

I think Geeky is making a mistake going all in on the degeneracy angle.

Of course, he's not on the side that promotes putting gay sex manuals in schools, either. But that's a different discussion.

The fact is that unless you're planning to market to prurient interest, why on earth would you have genital customization, or fairly graphic discussion and depiction of sex, in a game at all? If you want to put that in a game, fine, but you're getting filed right next to Subverse. Are we playing D&D, or Fantasy Fuck Simulator?

It wasn't just your comment, but multiple comments were the genital customization thing came up. I knew it felt "odd" in the back of my head, but I wasn't sure why. Then it suddenly hit me that, while I don't dismiss the possibility of sex in D&D, I had never associated the core D&D experience with overt sexual acts. People could engage in it at their own table or in D&D fanfic, but that wasn't what the core game itself was about. Then I thought back to when I was a kid being introduced to D&D in the 90s and I remembered that this game was marketed at teens, and had always been mostly "family friendly", sans a scant few instances of boob art early on, and bikini clad characters, and such. But never overt sexuality.

This is the first official D&D product I'm aware of that features full frontal nudity and sex scenes. That pretty much takes it out of the market for concerned parents who don't want their children exposed to sexual stuff. And there's also a concern in that D&D is the entryway into tabletop for many people.

But regardless of any of that, it doesn't seem to have mattered much, cuz this game is selling like hot cakes and has every other game dev shitting their pants. So I guess no one outside this forum cares. Everywhere else where I've even heard about the bear sex stuff, it mostly comes up as a joke. No one else seems to be clutching their pearls or running to jerk off to shapeshifted animal sex either. It's just a novelty thing and a joke, but all of the focus seems to be on how awesome the game is beyond any of that stuff.

The gay sex stuff in schools is a different issue, cuz that's pushing sex and political ideology on minors in a school setting, and that's not what school is supposed to be about. The books can exist, but they shouldn't be pushed in schools, except maybe at the college level (and even then I have concerns due to the ideological capture of academia, but it is technically the correct setting to delve into that kind of stuff).

Quote from: Reckall on August 09, 2023, 06:33:05 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 09, 2023, 05:25:31 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Besides the repulsion value, I'm wondering what kind of audience that is aimed at. Is it large enough and profitable enough to be catered to by WotC? If Baldur's Gate is part of a DnD setting, then is this a sneak peak at what we can expect for the future of DnD digital offerings?

I have a transexual character in my CoC campaign right now. I don't need for WotC to tell me that I HAVE to have them in D&D. Nor, for the very same reason, I'll have them because WotC tells me so.

As I wrote before, I just checked if sex change was available in the States in 1920. It was. The character is a high-level prostitute for "special tastes" that already provided inside info about the Silver Twilight Lodge. Also, when we played "Dead Light" (the Dead Light is an eldritch horror that kills "aberrations") she was the only target. If she is alive is only because another character had 5% probability of passing a specific skill and she rolled 02 - astounding the table.

Funnily enough, this transexual character is a "she". "Pronouns? What are they?" - (my players)

Last time I checked, you weren't Hasbro or WotC.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
It wasn't just your comment, but multiple comments were the genital customization thing came up. I knew it felt "odd" in the back of my head, but I wasn't sure why.

I knew the game let people choose genitals, I had no idea they could be relocated!

Quote from: Grognard GM on August 09, 2023, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
It wasn't just your comment, but multiple comments were the genital customization thing came up. I knew it felt "odd" in the back of my head, but I wasn't sure why.

I knew the game let people choose genitals, I had no idea they could be relocated!

That's just the  game trying to fuck with your head....

The funny thing is that aside from the stupid genital customization and the bear sex crap, it looks like Larian managed to land this one right in the ten ring.

As VisionStorm notes, the game is selling very well. Which I suppose is a win, of sorts, for Hasbro and WotC.

Did it have to involve full frontal nudity though?

You know, there's tons of times I get people "reporting" a post with something like "this guy is woek" or "personal attack", and its meaningless stuff that I would never take mod action on.
But here, there's a thread that is clearly in the wrong category, but that no one bothers to give me a heads up about? A totally legitimate and straighforward report, but no...

Moved.

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 09, 2023, 09:47:27 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on August 09, 2023, 09:44:19 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 08:58:13 PM
It wasn't just your comment, but multiple comments were the genital customization thing came up. I knew it felt "odd" in the back of my head, but I wasn't sure why.

I knew the game let people choose genitals, I had no idea they could be relocated!

That's just the  game trying to fuck with your head....

Extreme custom eye balls.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 09, 2023, 11:05:31 PM
You know, there's tons of times I get people "reporting" a post with something like "this guy is woek" or "personal attack", and its meaningless stuff that I would never take mod action on.
But here, there's a thread that is clearly in the wrong category, but that no one bothers to give me a heads up about? A totally legitimate and straighforward report, but no...

Moved.

This thread started about BG3 and it is mostly about the game,  but it then became a more general discussion about choices, "reality vs. make-believe" and different cultural sensibilities in the concept of RPG at large. I guess that this is why no one reported it: everything said about BG3 can be said about tabletop RPGs and many examples in this debate were based on TTRPGs.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 09, 2023, 11:05:31 PM
You know, there's tons of times I get people "reporting" a post with something like "this guy is woek" or "personal attack", and its meaningless stuff that I would never take mod action on.
But here, there's a thread that is clearly in the wrong category, but that no one bothers to give me a heads up about? A totally legitimate and straighforward report, but no...

Moved.

You know, this is why I post to this forum. You don't over moderate. You actually accept people who don't agree with your politics and let them speak freely.

You know, I've been hearing BG3 has a serious issue in its save game mechanism where it doesn't want to cloud sync.

That's an even better reason to hold off on buying it.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 10, 2023, 10:53:40 AM
You know, I've been hearing BG3 has a serious issue in its save game mechanism where it doesn't want to cloud sync.

That's an even better reason to hold off on buying it.

I think that the problem was with cross saving - i.e. I save in the Cloud on PC and I can reprise the game on my PS 5 or M1 Mac. Larian, however, wasn't able to launch the three version together and delayed Mac and PS 5 to September. Somehow, this meant that if you had cross-saving enabled you could have trouble with the saves.

Anyway, they already published three hot-fixes in under a week and this problem is no more (Edit: BTW, Steam Cloud saves were always fine).