Quote from: Zalman on August 09, 2023, 07:29:57 AM
Speaking of degenerate, BG3 fudges dice by default.

(Maybe this is common in video games, I don't know because I don't play them, but it's gross either way!)

It IS very common in video games, at least those that rely on internal checks (ex. many rpgs and mmos) instead of player skill (first-person shooters), though I've only heard it called a "streak-breaker" and not "karmic dice" (which it's kinda the opposite of since with karma good things are supposed to yield good things, not lead to bad things as a balance.

One example of a Streakbreaker is in City of Heroes where, depending on your accuracy after a certain number of misses the streakbreaker triggers and lands a hit. It takes three misses in a row if your accuracy is 75% for it to trigger and at 20% accuracy requires 100 misses in a row before it triggers.

It also resets after it triggers so even with 75% accuracy if the RNG is running against you could only land 25% of your attacks and even at max accuracy if the RNG isn't in your favor you'll be missing every other attack.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 07:02:38 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 01:51:33 AM

Quote from: Reckall on August 09, 2023, 01:23:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 08, 2023, 09:53:01 PM
Yeah, so in a free society we get to criticize what we consider degenerate bullshit and vote with our dollar not buying such degenerate content, but apparently informing others that the game is full of degenerate filth is akin to killoing babies or something from the reactions of the enlightened centrists tm around here.

You "informed others" that THE WHOLE POPULATION OF EUROPE is composed by degenerates. Don't be surprised if your "attempts to inform" are taken with a bit of salt.

Citation Needed, I'm afraid this is just ANOTHER lie being propagated by you and your "enlightened Centrist tm" ilk.

FFS I shouldn't have clicked on your post, don't worry it won't happen again, so you'll be able to lie about me to your heart's content unless someone else quotes your lies.

Now go fuck yourself.

>Constantly accuses other people of "lying"
>Consistently ignores the tone of and WTF has actually been said in the thread
>LIES about this thread being merely to "inform" people of shit when we've literally been dealing with accusations of being into bestiality for the last 10 pages or so

Yes, Eirikrautha mentioned something about expecting opposition to this topic from European posters cuz Europe had fallen to DEGENERACY!™, but that he didn't expect so much from 'Murican posters as well.

No, I'm not gonna go look for the post for your lazy histrionic hypersensitive lying ass, cuz it was a bunch of pages ago and you're just gonna ignore it anyway. So I'm not gonna waste time digging. But literally EVERY. SINGLE. CLAIM. that the opposition in this thread has said about what others have said at least tangentially true (if perhaps exaggerated, not 100% accurate or subject to interpretation at times).

This isn't about "informing" people of the evil Degenerate!™ ways of Larian, you fucking LIAR (you LIE). This is about having a histrionic fit and basking in your Two Minutes Hate while lashing out at anyone who disagrees and accusing them of shit while adamantly IGNORING and REFUSING to address the actual points that they make. Like good Right-Wing SJWs would.

Translation: "Someone else did say (if we're to believe you and since you don't provide proof I don't) X therefore you said X"

Then proceeds to acuse me of lying after lying his ass off about me and the stuff I've said.

Either that or your delusion is to a point where you can't tell the difference between Eirikrautha and me, but since you mention him as a different entity than me then one should assume you're lying.

Just like Reckall (the other degenerate), you do nothing but lie.

Go fuck yourself.

Quote from: Zalman on August 09, 2023, 07:29:57 AM
Speaking of degenerate, BG3 fudges dice by default.

(Maybe this is common in video games, I don't know because I don't play them, but it's gross either way!)

Look up input-reading next. That'll REALLY piss you off.

In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
Look up input-reading next. That'll REALLY piss you off.

In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

Because the writer thinks it's funny. All the excuse you need.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 12:18:20 PMTranslation: "Someone else did say (if we're to believe you and since you don't provide proof I don't) X therefore you said X"

Then proceeds to acuse me of lying after lying his ass off about me and the stuff I've said.

Either that or your delusion is to a point where you can't tell the difference between Eirikrautha and me, but since you mention him as a different entity than me then one should assume you're lying.

Just like Reckall (the other degenerate), you do nothing but lie.

Go fuck yourself.

OR, maybe there has been miscommunications as a result of the limits of language, varying perspectives between people and the nature of dealing with multi-page histrionic sperg outs in the forum debate. And you CHOOSE to interpret them as "lying" because you're a keyboard warrior who consistently nitpicks in order "win" internet arguments rather than attempt to charitably understand what the other persons is trying to say, and it benefits your narrative and your psychotic need to yell at imagined enemies everywhere.

When Reckall used the word "you" I assumed that he was speaking more generally about the plural "you", since this argument isn't only between "you" personally and him, but between two sides yelling at each other. And Eirikrautha has drop in to make his case (or at least reassert his position without refuting any arguments against over and over again) a LOT.

And the post is somewhere in this thread. Look for it, instead of popping to make claims or dismiss them without bothering to check what's been said.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 12:18:20 PM
Just like Reckall (the other degenerate), you do nothing but lie.

Right now I'am lying on the grass a "Les Invalides" in Paris - so, technically, Geeky is right.

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Go fuck yourself.

Euh... Each other or everyone for themselves?

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PMIn any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

You have yet to provide an argument why something needs to be justified in order to be included in a game. Why do jokes or humor need to be included in a game or story? Why does ANY type of customization need to be included in a game? Why does the wild-shape ability in any form need to be part of a game or story? Why do elves get the same range of skin tones as humans? Why does there have to be blondes? What does that add to the story or game play?

If merely lacking some type of reasoned justification is necessary in order to include anything in a game or a story, there's a LOT of stuff you would never been able to work into one, cuz there's no inherent logic to why any particular thing needs to be included. There might be reasons why including certain things doesn't make sense in a particular context, but that's a different deal that doesn't apply here. Because a druid having sex while wildshaped into a bear CAN happen in the game world without breaking verisimilitude.

And even if some type of justification was necessary on some level, I would think that "because it's (presumably/to some people at least) funny" and "it could happen in this game world" would be enough. Also, there are apparently scenes with nudity, which I guess it's what the genital customization is for.

The thing I think you're trying to ask, though, is "Why does SEX (of any type) need to be included in a D&D game (specifically)?" And even then I would say that I don't have any inherent problem with it and that the idea of sex isn't antithetical to D&D. But if people were to ask the question (which no one foaming at the mouth at the idea of bear sex specifically has bothered to ask) "Why does sex and customization of sex organs need to be included in a video game based on a TTRPG marketed at ages 12+?" THEN I would have to say, "I personally don't care and this isn't the TTRPG, but a video game using the same ruleset. But at the very least it seems like an odd choice."

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 09, 2023, 02:29:12 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PMIn any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

You have yet to provide an argument why something needs to be justified in order to be included in a game. Why do jokes or humor need to be included in a game or story? Why does ANY type of customization need to be included in a game? Why does the wild-shape ability in any form need to be part of a game or story? Why do elves get the same range of skin tones as humans? Why does there have to be blondes? What does that add to the story or game play?

If merely lacking some type of reasoned justification is necessary in order to include anything in a game or a story, there's a LOT of stuff you would never been able to work into one, cuz there's no inherent logic to why any particular thing needs to be included. There might be reasons why including certain things doesn't make sense in a particular context, but that's a different deal that doesn't apply here. Because a druid having sex while wildshaped into a bear CAN happen in the game world without breaking verisimilitude.

And even if some type of justification was necessary on some level, I would think that "because it's (presumably/to some people at least) funny" and "it could happen in this game world" would be enough. Also, there are apparently scenes with nudity, which I guess it's what the genital customization is for.

The thing I think you're trying to ask, though, is "Why does SEX (of any type) need to be included in a D&D game (specifically)?" And even then I would say that I don't have any inherent problem with it and that the idea of sex isn't antithetical to D&D. But if people were to ask the question (which no one foaming at the mouth at the idea of bear sex specifically has bothered to ask) "Why does sex and customization of sex organs need to be included in a video game based on a TTRPG marketed at ages 12+?" THEN I would have to say, "I personally don't care and this isn't the TTRPG, but a video game using the same ruleset. But at the very least it seems like an odd choice."

If you prefer to think of it that way, so be it.

Frankly, I think an awful lot of you need to just fess up and say you're wanking it to this stuff. Don't worry, I won't judge you.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 02:52:16 PMIf you prefer to think of it that way, so be it.

The specific question you were asking made no sense, because the implicit standard behind it would disqualify almost anything from being included in a game or story. I literally (or figuratively?) had to wrack my brain trying to figure out other type of underlying issue could there be that I might be missing before I remembered that D&D (the TTRPG, not the M rated BG video game) is marketed at ages 12+, which I think is what made the inclusion of genital customization seem odd (I think most people here have pointed out at some point that genital customization was really the oddest part of this whole thing, rather than the bear sex, specifically).

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 02:52:16 PMFrankly, I think an awful lot of you need to just fess up and say you're wanking it to this stuff. Don't worry, I won't judge you.

I will as soon as GeekySarkeesian admits he just wants to censor things, cuz he's a Right-Wing SJW.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

I don't think that the aim was "shock value". I think that "shock value" was a bonus freely given by all the clueless that still haven't understood the basic principle "If you want to bury something, minimise it". Nah, what we got is screaming anti-woke (*) warriors shining an even brighter spotlight on this game (as I said, even I thought "Boy, you can do even that??) To us, very vanilla types, "bear sex" is already "so Twitter last week. Let's move on...."

However, as a DM, I would consider the question "If my druid turns into a bear, does he/she have normal sexual urges, or I'm tied to a different biology?" very seriously. My answer would probably be "I let you to choose what you feel being the best." Lo, this is what BG3 does.

Why you can choose your genitals? Even before considering how you can do that since "modded Skyrim circa 2012", I have no problems with the concept "If you want to create a brutish thiefling 8' tall with female voice and genitals you can do it". I was lazily checking female models when I stumbled into one who was the copy of Chelsea Hamill (the daughter of Mark Hamill who I met some years ago). I found the thing funny, choose "default" for the genitals and moved on (my character is a vanilla paladinette who will "satisfy" any anal urges with her red hot sword - just sayin'...)

Why I choose the daughter of Mark Hamill? (which, I understand, is a creepy idea IN THE UNITED STATES) My best answer is "because". I like the idea that the daughter of Luke Skywalker is the main "paladin" character of "my" deep dive in BG3. No other reason at all.

I could quote thousands of things a PC or a NPC in one of my campaigns did or were for no plot-related reason at all. Why, in my CoC adventure set in North Dakota in 1919 a character was the daughter of a family of German-Americans who were interned in camps during WWI after the US enered the war? To give a sense of time and place. Nothing else. This factoid wasn't even part of the adventure at all. But it contributed - along with others - to give the players the idea that, yes, it was ND in 1919, not "it could be Hobart in 1925 and nothing changes".

This is why BG1-2, along with other "RPG games", never approached a true table-top experience - BG3 gets closer (no one here even mentioned how it has a DM!) and, amazingly enough, is being rewarded for it.

(*) Anti-woke warriors are people who practice their ideology the same way woke do. Superficially they preach the opposite; factually, they are indistinguishable.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2023, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: Zalman on August 09, 2023, 07:29:57 AM
Speaking of degenerate, BG3 fudges dice by default.

(Maybe this is common in video games, I don't know because I don't play them, but it's gross either way!)

Look up input-reading next. That'll REALLY piss you off.

In any case, other than the (probably true) comment of 'shock value', no one has presented an argument as to why the game and story necessitated genital customization and sex with a wild-shaped druid (technically it's not bestiality, as the 'bear' is sapient. Still strikes me as unnecessary).

So the degenerates in this thread could wank to it, that's why. And I'm fine with it, to each their own, but somehow me stating is a game from degenerates, by degeneratesa and for degenerates means I want it banned (because they can totally read my mind) even if they can't provide a single quote of me advocating for that or for censoring the game.

FFS Venger's stuff is also full of degeneracy, I won't buy, play or promote it, but I did made the logo for VengerCon for free and I'm in good terms with him, we could even be friends.

Dear degenerates: By all means have at it, just don't pretend you're anything else than sick degenerates.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 09, 2023, 09:16:17 AM

Quote from: Zalman on August 09, 2023, 07:29:57 AM
Speaking of degenerate, BG3 fudges dice by default.

(Maybe this is common in video games, I don't know because I don't play them, but it's gross either way!)

Video Games cheat, been happening since the dawn of Digital Time, go play any 80s and 90s arcade game, "cheating" is built into the code to make it so you spend more quarters.

True.
Perhaps one of the best know games for this is Street Fighter 2. There are numerous examples of where the computer "cheats," but one is with the "stagger" mechanic. A staggered character is unresponsive to button commands for a certain number of frames. In later (i.e. "harder") stages of the game, the computer can start using the Block function several frames before their stagger expires. This is done to increase the difficulty by reducing the time a player has to attack a staggered foe.

Karmic Dice in BG3 is not the same as this though. As Reckall pointed out, it's more about providing a balanced experience. Sort of like using Fudge Dice on tabletop.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 04:03:30 PM
So the degenerates in this thread could wank to it, that's why. And I'm fine with it, to each their own, but somehow me stating is a game from degenerates, by degeneratesa and for degenerates means I want it banned (because they can totally read my mind) even if they can't provide a single quote of me advocating for that or for censoring the game.

FFS Venger's stuff is also full of degeneracy, I won't buy, play or promote it, but I did made the logo for VengerCon for free and I'm in good terms with him, we could even be friends.

Dear degenerates: By all means have at it, just don't pretend you're anything else than sick degenerates.

You're flinging around the word "degenerate" like it's on fire and insulting anyone who disagrees with you, yet you want people to meticulously review all your posts and presumably apologize for misinterpreting your position when it turns out they can't find evidence that you support censorship.

Fuck it man, your little tempest here is what you get for a lazy link drop post.

Next time consider making your opinion clear in your original post because it's human nature to make inferences and you left a lot of space for inferences considering your original post totaled, what, 8 words.

It's almost like you intended to pick a fight.

Good day, sir!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2023, 04:03:30 PM
Dear degenerates: By all means have at it, just don't pretend you're anything else than sick degenerates.

Why? Because you say so and thus it is objectively true?

Send your resume to TBP. Maybe they are looking for support staff.

"Degenerate" is quickly becoming an overused and misapplied word, and will soon lose all meaning. That's something these racist, misogynistic, nazi puritans don't seem to understand.

(Note to any retards: ^this^ is a joke.)