Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

You don't understand, by criticizing the degeneracy openly (in their minds) you're "de facto" calling for censorship, they know because they can read our minds.

Just like ignoring assholes is the same as cancelling someone.

It's why they insist on the "muh satanic panic" bullshit. They KNOW we're not asking for censorship (because we've said so and because we would be calling for it elsewhere where it could maybe gain some traction), they KNOW it's not a moral panic, but we must either celebrate the degeneracy or at the very least remain silent.

Lest others discover how utterly disgusting the new hotness is.

Sorry, but no random asshole in the internet is going to silence me.

On the other hand they can furiously type in all caps at me all they want, I'm not reading their drivel.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM
But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.

A few lines later.

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The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.

What you have to pay attention to is not that people tell you that you are are wrong but what their reasoning is (if there is one). At the end you can still have your opinion but, if anything, it got stronger, because you could examine it under a different light. Putting your hands over your ears and singing "Lalala!" seldom ends well.

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But, like all leftists, the degenerates

Because the degenerates are all leftists, sure. Fascism doesn't lead to degeneration...

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are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.

I guess that they

"believe in something strongly enough that the only thing they need to do is ignore the people who are telling them that they are wrong."

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They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.

I.e. Bear porn - not being a demonic thrall.

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Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

They also want "us" to have a clue about the game before criticising it. You know - "knowledge".

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I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light

Does it? The game allows you to perform some truly evil acts. Are those presented in a "positive light" too? Or we can condemn both preaching for the devil and bear porn? Remember, you can be disgusted by these ideas and refuse them as aberrant in-game. 

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Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.

I disagree with your position and explained why many times.

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I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board

How to say "I actually got explanations as why some people disagree with me... how can I sweep all of them under the rug?" without saying so.

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(they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).

The above statement is so stupid and clueless on so many levels that I'm not even offended

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But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.

"Unique" as is "Arming yourself with assault weapons and starting shooting sprees in elementary schools"?

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And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Then do it. I would very miffed if some one, one day, will come out and say "Peoples of the World, we can't publish BG3 anymore because the Americans and their Furry Panic don't want to" - but maybe that's me.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Except that you aren't just passively expressing a position to the "vociferous" protests of posters objecting for no reason, but making yourself a moral arbiter while implicitly deputizing everyone to your cause and taking a fundamentally adversarial stance against anyone who disagrees by declaring them Degenerates!™ and "part of the problem". Then pretending that opposition somehow proves your point, while failing to demonstrate the existence of the problem, or to refute people's points.

All you have are slippery slopes, circular reasoning and moral grandstanding. While espousing literal BITCH and SJW strategies, like engaging shame and social stigma in lieu of overt force or reasoned arguments. Which are typically the tools of catty women (i.e. "bitches"), and SJWs, as well as puritans and church ladies (but I repeat myself).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2023, 10:50:04 PMYou don't understand, by criticizing the degeneracy openly (in their minds) you're "de facto" calling for censorship, they know because they can read our minds.

Just like ignoring assholes is the same as cancelling someone.

It's why they insist on the "muh satanic panic" bullshit. They KNOW we're not asking for censorship (because we've said so and because we would be calling for it elsewhere where it could maybe gain some traction), they KNOW it's not a moral panic, but we must either celebrate the degeneracy or at the very least remain silent.

Lest others discover how utterly disgusting the new hotness is.

Sorry, but no random asshole in the internet is going to silence me.

On the other hand they can furiously type in all caps at me all they want, I'm not reading their drivel.

No. We know because it IS de facto censorship. No mind reading necessary. The ultimate goal and end result if you had your way is the same regardless. You just don't have the balls to call it censorship and you have too much cognitive dissonance to realize that's what it ultimately comes down to. You just want it removed through some miraculous process that magically drives it out of existence without you actually calling for censorship. But this is ultimately about censorship, because that is what the "suppression or prohibition* of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene (or "Degenerate!™"), politically unacceptable, or a threat to security" is (Google definition of censorship).

It might not be overt censorship. And you might rationalize it as some "soft power" bullshit trying to get people to self-censor through social stigma and shame (totally not SJW tactics, by the way). But it's ultimately about censorship. You (the plural "you", including all the people outside this forum who think the same way) just don't have the social clout to actually do it. Yet.

But when the time comes I know you will. If not you personally, then one of the other plural "yous". Because that's what people who appoint themselves moral arbiters always do when they get into power. And my principle is to oppose people like you.

Have fun clutching your pearls behind a block while pretending that rhetorical jabs and reasoned disagreements with specific points you could refute (if you had logical arguments for your positions, as opposed to just feels and moral grandstanding) are somehow attempts to "silence" you.

*I eagerly await the nitpicking over this copy pasted definition to point out that you don't even have the power to "prohibit" anything and waffle about whether coercing people into self-censorship through shame and social stigma counts as "suppression" (it does, but I know you think it doesn't). If any of you even has the balls to attempt to refute this.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 08, 2023, 10:34:46 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Except that you aren't just passively expressing a position to the "vociferous" protests of posters objecting for no reason, but making yourself a moral arbiter while implicitly deputizing everyone to your cause and taking a fundamentally adversarial stance against anyone who disagrees by declaring them Degenerates!™ and "part of the problem". Then pretending that opposition somehow proves your point, while failing to demonstrate the existence of the problem, or to refute people's points.

All you have are slippery slopes, circular reasoning and moral grandstanding. While espousing literal BITCH and SJW strategies, like engaging shame and social stigma in lieu of overt force or reasoned arguments. Which are typically the tools of catty women (i.e. "bitches"), and SJWs, as well as puritans and church ladies (but I repeat myself).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2023, 10:50:04 PMYou don't understand, by criticizing the degeneracy openly (in their minds) you're "de facto" calling for censorship, they know because they can read our minds.

Just like ignoring assholes is the same as cancelling someone.

It's why they insist on the "muh satanic panic" bullshit. They KNOW we're not asking for censorship (because we've said so and because we would be calling for it elsewhere where it could maybe gain some traction), they KNOW it's not a moral panic, but we must either celebrate the degeneracy or at the very least remain silent.

Lest others discover how utterly disgusting the new hotness is.

Sorry, but no random asshole in the internet is going to silence me.

On the other hand they can furiously type in all caps at me all they want, I'm not reading their drivel.

No. We know because it IS de facto censorship. No mind reading necessary. The ultimate goal and end result if you had your way is the same regardless. You just don't have the balls to call it censorship and you have too much cognitive dissonance to realize that's what it ultimately comes down to. You just want it removed through some miraculous process that magically drives it out of existence without you actually calling for censorship. But this is ultimately about censorship, because that is what the "suppression or prohibition* of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene (or "Degenerate!™"), politically unacceptable, or a threat to security" is (Google definition of censorship).

It might not be overt censorship. And you might rationalize it as some "soft power" bullshit trying to get people to self-censor through social stigma and shame (totally not SJW tactics, by the way). But it's ultimately about censorship. You (the plural "you", including all the people outside this forum who think the same way) just don't have the social clout to actually do it. Yet.

But when the time comes I know you will. If not you personally, then one of the other plural "yous". Because that's what people who appoint themselves moral arbiters always do when they get into power. And my principle is to oppose people like you.

Have fun clutching your pearls behind a block while pretending that rhetorical jabs and reasoned disagreements with specific points you could refute (if you had logical arguments for your positions, as opposed to just feels and moral grandstanding) are somehow attempts to "silence" you.

*I eagerly await the nitpicking over this copy pasted definition to point out that you don't even have the power to "prohibit" anything and waffle about whether coercing people into self-censorship through shame and social stigma counts as "suppression" (it does, but I know you think it doesn't). If any of you even has the balls to attempt to refute this.

No, I just want people to have an informed choice.  You don't, because you want my complaints censored.  See, if vocal disagreement and disapproval inevitably leads to censorship, then you are as guilty as we are.  So your logic rests on the truly woke manta, "It's ok when we do it"...

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2023, 10:43:58 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 08, 2023, 10:34:46 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Except that you aren't just passively expressing a position to the "vociferous" protests of posters objecting for no reason, but making yourself a moral arbiter while implicitly deputizing everyone to your cause and taking a fundamentally adversarial stance against anyone who disagrees by declaring them Degenerates!™ and "part of the problem". Then pretending that opposition somehow proves your point, while failing to demonstrate the existence of the problem, or to refute people's points.

All you have are slippery slopes, circular reasoning and moral grandstanding. While espousing literal BITCH and SJW strategies, like engaging shame and social stigma in lieu of overt force or reasoned arguments. Which are typically the tools of catty women (i.e. "bitches"), and SJWs, as well as puritans and church ladies (but I repeat myself).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2023, 10:50:04 PMYou don't understand, by criticizing the degeneracy openly (in their minds) you're "de facto" calling for censorship, they know because they can read our minds.

Just like ignoring assholes is the same as cancelling someone.

It's why they insist on the "muh satanic panic" bullshit. They KNOW we're not asking for censorship (because we've said so and because we would be calling for it elsewhere where it could maybe gain some traction), they KNOW it's not a moral panic, but we must either celebrate the degeneracy or at the very least remain silent.

Lest others discover how utterly disgusting the new hotness is.

Sorry, but no random asshole in the internet is going to silence me.

On the other hand they can furiously type in all caps at me all they want, I'm not reading their drivel.

No. We know because it IS de facto censorship. No mind reading necessary. The ultimate goal and end result if you had your way is the same regardless. You just don't have the balls to call it censorship and you have too much cognitive dissonance to realize that's what it ultimately comes down to. You just want it removed through some miraculous process that magically drives it out of existence without you actually calling for censorship. But this is ultimately about censorship, because that is what the "suppression or prohibition* of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene (or "Degenerate!™"), politically unacceptable, or a threat to security" is (Google definition of censorship).

It might not be overt censorship. And you might rationalize it as some "soft power" bullshit trying to get people to self-censor through social stigma and shame (totally not SJW tactics, by the way). But it's ultimately about censorship. You (the plural "you", including all the people outside this forum who think the same way) just don't have the social clout to actually do it. Yet.

But when the time comes I know you will. If not you personally, then one of the other plural "yous". Because that's what people who appoint themselves moral arbiters always do when they get into power. And my principle is to oppose people like you.

Have fun clutching your pearls behind a block while pretending that rhetorical jabs and reasoned disagreements with specific points you could refute (if you had logical arguments for your positions, as opposed to just feels and moral grandstanding) are somehow attempts to "silence" you.

*I eagerly await the nitpicking over this copy pasted definition to point out that you don't even have the power to "prohibit" anything and waffle about whether coercing people into self-censorship through shame and social stigma counts as "suppression" (it does, but I know you think it doesn't). If any of you even has the balls to attempt to refute this.

No, I just want people to have an informed choice.  You don't, because you want my complaints censored.  See, if vocal disagreement and disapproval inevitably leads to censorship, then you are as guilty as we are.  So your logic rests on the truly woke manta, "It's ok when we do it"...

Calling your pearl-clutching sentiments stupid and counter-productive isn't calling for censorship. It's calling your ideas stupid and counter-productive.

I happen to agree with these elements being things I find morally repulsive. However I also know that scolding like a self-righteous church lady never converted a single soul... its performative virtue signaling to let everyone know how moral you are.

If you want to productively oppose these things you need to offer real alternatives... for an example, take a look at "The Sound of Freedom" which is presenting the alternative viewpoint to the mainstream and is killing it in theatres. Look at "The Chosen" which is quality Biblically-based drama whose first season had over 300 million viewers and is entirely crowdfunded.

People are STARVING for quality entertainment options as the entertainment industry continues its self-immolation. But instead of pushing for those quality alternatives, you're too busy screaming about what is wrong rather than trying to make it right.

You're a Pharisee. "Look how good and righteous I am. Why should I have to get my hands dirty trying to make the world better?"

And I agree with so many others... Why is there not a single word of disgust directed at the fact that you can swear your soul to Asmodeus in the game?

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2023, 10:43:58 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 08, 2023, 10:34:46 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 07, 2023, 10:02:20 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 07, 2023, 06:57:14 PM

You are the one complaining that the window of socially acceptable behavior has been shifting toward degeneracy, yet you conveniently refuse to accept that the window you prefer would be seen as degenerate to other societies/cultures.

But, you see, I don't care what those other cultures find degenerate.  I'm not some cultural relativist who has tied their moral values to the stupid notion that all cultures are equal.  They aren't.  The previous "window" of behavioral expectations have led to the most prosperous society in human history.  That is not guaranteed... in fact it is almost certainly exceptionally fragile.  And sexual degeneracy is highly correlated with the decline of societies (Camille Paglia has some excellent books and videos on the topic).

I have a set of principles, and I'm not going to suddenly throw them out the window because some random guy cooking over a dung fire in Botswana declares something haram.  You obviously have them as well (though only you know how willing to compromise those you are).  Apparently many of the other folks on this thread don't, or else they would be willing to respect those that do.

I am a great believer in "soft" power.  The power of shame, social stigma, and speaking out against degeneracy.  Unlike government power (or woke cancelling of people's jobs or bank accounts), if you believe in something strongly enough, the only thing you need to do is ignore the people who are telling you that you are wrong.  But, like all leftists, the degenerates are unwilling to even hear that others disapprove.  They must silence or censor.  I don't need anyone to ban the game.  I just want people to know it contains some sick stuff.  Knowledge is power (which is why so many want us to shut up).

I've done nothing on this thread but point out that this game promotes degeneracy by presenting gay bestiality in a positive light (I've never called for any censorship).  Note how vociferous the objections have been, just to my doing so.  If you disagree with me, you're free to say so.  But that hasn't been the response.  I expect the dismissiveness from the Europeans on this board (they've certainly slipped much farther down the path of degeneracy and cultural irrelevance.. with resounding applause from their populations).  But Americans are destroying the very culture that has made this country unique.  And when this cultural rot becomes a frequent component of even our hobbies... well, it's well past time to be objecting...

Except that you aren't just passively expressing a position to the "vociferous" protests of posters objecting for no reason, but making yourself a moral arbiter while implicitly deputizing everyone to your cause and taking a fundamentally adversarial stance against anyone who disagrees by declaring them Degenerates!™ and "part of the problem". Then pretending that opposition somehow proves your point, while failing to demonstrate the existence of the problem, or to refute people's points.

All you have are slippery slopes, circular reasoning and moral grandstanding. While espousing literal BITCH and SJW strategies, like engaging shame and social stigma in lieu of overt force or reasoned arguments. Which are typically the tools of catty women (i.e. "bitches"), and SJWs, as well as puritans and church ladies (but I repeat myself).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2023, 10:50:04 PMYou don't understand, by criticizing the degeneracy openly (in their minds) you're "de facto" calling for censorship, they know because they can read our minds.

Just like ignoring assholes is the same as cancelling someone.

It's why they insist on the "muh satanic panic" bullshit. They KNOW we're not asking for censorship (because we've said so and because we would be calling for it elsewhere where it could maybe gain some traction), they KNOW it's not a moral panic, but we must either celebrate the degeneracy or at the very least remain silent.

Lest others discover how utterly disgusting the new hotness is.

Sorry, but no random asshole in the internet is going to silence me.

On the other hand they can furiously type in all caps at me all they want, I'm not reading their drivel.

No. We know because it IS de facto censorship. No mind reading necessary. The ultimate goal and end result if you had your way is the same regardless. You just don't have the balls to call it censorship and you have too much cognitive dissonance to realize that's what it ultimately comes down to. You just want it removed through some miraculous process that magically drives it out of existence without you actually calling for censorship. But this is ultimately about censorship, because that is what the "suppression or prohibition* of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene (or "Degenerate!™"), politically unacceptable, or a threat to security" is (Google definition of censorship).

It might not be overt censorship. And you might rationalize it as some "soft power" bullshit trying to get people to self-censor through social stigma and shame (totally not SJW tactics, by the way). But it's ultimately about censorship. You (the plural "you", including all the people outside this forum who think the same way) just don't have the social clout to actually do it. Yet.

But when the time comes I know you will. If not you personally, then one of the other plural "yous". Because that's what people who appoint themselves moral arbiters always do when they get into power. And my principle is to oppose people like you.

Have fun clutching your pearls behind a block while pretending that rhetorical jabs and reasoned disagreements with specific points you could refute (if you had logical arguments for your positions, as opposed to just feels and moral grandstanding) are somehow attempts to "silence" you.

*I eagerly await the nitpicking over this copy pasted definition to point out that you don't even have the power to "prohibit" anything and waffle about whether coercing people into self-censorship through shame and social stigma counts as "suppression" (it does, but I know you think it doesn't). If any of you even has the balls to attempt to refute this.

No, I just want people to have an informed choice.  You don't, because you want my complaints censored.  See, if vocal disagreement and disapproval inevitably leads to censorship, then you are as guilty as we are.  So your logic rests on the truly woke manta, "It's ok when we do it"...

"Criticism is Censorship" VisionStorm 2023

Oh dear!

But I am the one acting like an SJW right!?

Zelen's meme says it all.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2023, 10:43:58 AM
No, I just want people to have an informed choice.

Informed?? Have you even played the game?? (I won't ask "and finished it" out of sheer pity).

The character I'm playing is ready to practice sodomization - with her red-hot sword - on the poor bear. I would be disappointed if the game doesn't allow this.

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You don't, because you want my complaints censored.

No, what I want is for your complaints to be based on facts, real knowledge, motivated and stopping at "here are MY complaints."

Pro tip: next time, avoid insulting A WHOLE CONTINENT. It may help.

Imagine supporting bestiality in a videogame.

I started playing the game. I got to see a penis and a vagina and pick and choose whatever i want combined with whatever voice I wanted and I'm having a blast playing it.

I have yet to fuck an animal and if people are telling me that my tiefling is gonna have sexytimes with a githyanki and call that Furry Fucking I'm gonna point right on back to Mass Effect and tell them to get off their high horse. Commander Shepard doesn't give a fuck.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2023, 10:43:58 AM
No, I just want people to have an informed choice.

What does an "informed choice" mean to you?
Because you've consistantly referred to game as promoting "bestiality," which is tentatively true, at best. You know it isn't a natural animal, but a magically transformed person. Your framing of the argument as the game containing "bestiality" is a purposeful obfuscation of the whole truth. It's a lie of omission, designed to make your position sound more reasonable than others. This is the opposite of allowing someone to make an informed choice.

QuoteYou don't, because you want my complaints censored.  See, if vocal disagreement and disapproval inevitably leads to censorship, then you are as guilty as we are.  So your logic rests on the truly woke manta, "It's ok when we do it"...

Who's calling for you to be censored? I've only seen people criticise you for using low-handed methods. Isn't that the kind of soft power you encourage? Shame and ridicule? Unless you are agreeing that social pressure is a form of censorship...

Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 01:18:46 PM
Imagine supporting bestiality in a videogame.

Okay... I got an image in my head. What now?

Quote from: Effete on August 08, 2023, 01:46:40 PM

Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 01:18:46 PM
Imagine supporting bestiality in a videogame.

Okay... I got an image in my head. What now?

You are now going to be burnt at the state for WrongBadThink

Quote from: Brad on August 08, 2023, 01:18:46 PM
Imagine supporting bestiality in a videogame.

Imagine supporting murder, worshiping demons, and genocide in video games.