Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 04, 2023, 07:45:02 PM
* game has optional bear sex scene... right wing puritans most affected*

Geez! Imagine if everyone decided to boycott the game based on a single, insignificant, OPTIONAL, choice.
"OMG! You can intimidate people because your personal god demands it? Reeeeee!"
"OMG! You can evict a group of tiefling squatters from a land they don't belong in? Reeeeee!"

Why not focus on the choices in the game that SUPPORT your worldview? I guess everyone just loves being the victim...

Yeah, we need to STFU and let the likes of Fraudnita Sarkesian change our hobbies without ever raising a concern or criticism...

How about no?

For someone who loves to claim others are building strawmen, there's a conspicuous amount of straw in your hands. I never said anything about who's destroying whatever hobby, I merely suggested that boycotting the game over a single little thing you disagree with is silly.

Look, you're entitled to your opinion and can spend your money however you please, but if you think it's fine to boycott a game over stupid bear sex, then Yes, STFU when some blue-haired land whale screeches about toxic masculinity in a Conan game.

Lefties currently have the power and privilege in society, and so we are seeing more censureship that favors them, but it wasn't so long ago that Puritanical Christians wanted to ruin everyone's fun. Am I wrong in my assumption that if you can have your way, you'd have the bear scene removed from the game?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:25:02 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:13:24 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 04, 2023, 07:45:02 PM
* game has optional bear sex scene... right wing puritans most affected*

Geez! Imagine if everyone decided to boycott the game based on a single, insignificant, OPTIONAL, choice.
"OMG! You can intimidate people because your personal god demands it? Reeeeee!"
"OMG! You can evict a group of tiefling squatters from a land they don't belong in? Reeeeee!"

Why not focus on the choices in the game that SUPPORT your worldview? I guess everyone just loves being the victim...

Yeah, we need to STFU and let the likes of Fraudnita Sarkesian change our hobbies without ever raising a concern or criticism...

How about no?

Agreed. D&D's Satanic Panic back again for the win!

Because not buying a shitty game and criticizing it is the same as the satanic panic... Dude, where have you been?

Playing BG3 instead of criticising it and finding that the first four hours have been a pretty cool experience - for sure far from "shitty"?

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We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

Sorry, but I'm not following you. In D&D you could (and can) summon demons, devils and do other nasty stuff which, in my book, is a tiny bit worse than fucking a bear. What was the answer by sane minds?

"It is a game! It is make-believe, you morons!"

Annnnd... fucking this poor bear isn't?

So, unless I missed something and BG3 forces me to fuck this bear for real, I can only point out the hypocrisy of going up in arms against something much worse than what caused the Great Satan Panic. The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

(*) All of this, of course, for the usual reason: the inability to realise that the rest of the World has their own neurosis - they don't need to import some from the USA. Wokeness is, literally, a virus that hit the English speaking World. Everywhere else "In BG3 you can fuck a bear!" is "So Twitter 12 hours ago!" Everyone has already moved on.

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:25:02 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:13:24 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 04, 2023, 07:45:02 PM
* game has optional bear sex scene... right wing puritans most affected*

Geez! Imagine if everyone decided to boycott the game based on a single, insignificant, OPTIONAL, choice.
"OMG! You can intimidate people because your personal god demands it? Reeeeee!"
"OMG! You can evict a group of tiefling squatters from a land they don't belong in? Reeeeee!"

Why not focus on the choices in the game that SUPPORT your worldview? I guess everyone just loves being the victim...

Yeah, we need to STFU and let the likes of Fraudnita Sarkesian change our hobbies without ever raising a concern or criticism...

How about no?

Agreed. D&D's Satanic Panic back again for the win!

Because not buying a shitty game and criticizing it is the same as the satanic panic... Dude, where have you been?

Playing BG3 instead of criticising it and finding that the first four hours have been a pretty cool experience - for sure far from "shitty"?

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We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

Sorry, but I'm not following you. In D&D you could (and can) summon demons, devils and do other nasty stuff which, in my book, is a tiny bit worse than fucking a bear. What was the answer by sane minds?

"It is a game! It is make-believe, you morons!"

Annnnd... fucking this poor bear isn't?

So, unless I missed something and BG3 forces me to fuck this bear for real, I can only point out the hypocrisy of going up in arms against something much worse than what caused the Great Satan Panic. The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

(*) All of this, of course, for the usual reason: the inability to realise that the rest of the World has their own neurosis - they don't need to import some from the USA. Wokeness is, literally, a virus that hit the English speaking World. Everywhere else "In BG3 you can fuck a bear!" is "So Twitter 12 hours ago!" Everyone has already moved on.

So you ARE being disingenuos, good to know so I don't waste my time talking to you about this.

Full frontal nudes, futas, bestiality... It is from degenerates, by degenerates for degenerates.

Does it have hardcore porn scenes too? If not, then what the fuck is full frontal nudity doing there?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 04, 2023, 09:17:29 PM
Does it have hardcore porn scenes too? If not, then what the fuck is full frontal nudity doing there?

People only bought Playboy for the articles.

Meanwhile, Amazon goes in the opposite direction with a full-out censorship binge:

LOL

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 09:04:38 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:25:02 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:13:24 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 04, 2023, 07:45:02 PM
* game has optional bear sex scene... right wing puritans most affected*

Geez! Imagine if everyone decided to boycott the game based on a single, insignificant, OPTIONAL, choice.
"OMG! You can intimidate people because your personal god demands it? Reeeeee!"
"OMG! You can evict a group of tiefling squatters from a land they don't belong in? Reeeeee!"

Why not focus on the choices in the game that SUPPORT your worldview? I guess everyone just loves being the victim...

Yeah, we need to STFU and let the likes of Fraudnita Sarkesian change our hobbies without ever raising a concern or criticism...

How about no?

Agreed. D&D's Satanic Panic back again for the win!

Because not buying a shitty game and criticizing it is the same as the satanic panic... Dude, where have you been?

Playing BG3 instead of criticising it and finding that the first four hours have been a pretty cool experience - for sure far from "shitty"?

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We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

Sorry, but I'm not following you. In D&D you could (and can) summon demons, devils and do other nasty stuff which, in my book, is a tiny bit worse than fucking a bear. What was the answer by sane minds?

"It is a game! It is make-believe, you morons!"

Annnnd... fucking this poor bear isn't?

So, unless I missed something and BG3 forces me to fuck this bear for real, I can only point out the hypocrisy of going up in arms against something much worse than what caused the Great Satan Panic. The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

(*) All of this, of course, for the usual reason: the inability to realise that the rest of the World has their own neurosis - they don't need to import some from the USA. Wokeness is, literally, a virus that hit the English speaking World. Everywhere else "In BG3 you can fuck a bear!" is "So Twitter 12 hours ago!" Everyone has already moved on.

So you ARE being disingenuos

Disingenuos (which means "dishonest" only more roboant) how? If anything, I pointed out a hypocritical approach to judging BG3.

Unless I was dishonest because I didn't disclose that I was actually playing the game when talking about it, instead of what many people up in arms are doing (prejudice, hearsay and flat-out hypocrisy over actual experience).

I'm really curious about an explanation.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on August 05, 2023, 07:09:32 AM
LOL

That's true. I even pointed out this when I talked about my experience with the first two hours in the videogame subforum. Here is my quote:

Is the game woke? Well, I only played for a couple of hours. You can create brutish male thieflings with female voices and even choose the genitals (I didn't check) - but you are not forced to do it.

I'm now on my fourth hour but I fear that I'll have to stop. I have BG3 running on a MacBook Pro under Parallels and it is full of graphical glitches - so I'll wait for the official Mac port. However, you can find my first impressions here:

https://www.therpgsite.com/other-games/video-games-what-are-you-playing/msg1260393/#msg1260393

NUDITY! GENITALS! BESTIALITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYH!!!!!!!!111111

...In a game with a 17+ rating? And these things aren't even forced upon the player? IMHO, a lot of people should get a lot of grips. You don't like it? Don't play it. You judge EVERYONE with an idea different from yours who is living his own life? Are you woke??

Quote from: Reckall on August 05, 2023, 11:39:18 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 09:04:38 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:25:02 PM

Quote from: Reckall on August 04, 2023, 08:13:24 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2023, 08:10:00 PM

Quote from: Effete on August 04, 2023, 07:45:02 PM
* game has optional bear sex scene... right wing puritans most affected*

Geez! Imagine if everyone decided to boycott the game based on a single, insignificant, OPTIONAL, choice.
"OMG! You can intimidate people because your personal god demands it? Reeeeee!"
"OMG! You can evict a group of tiefling squatters from a land they don't belong in? Reeeeee!"

Why not focus on the choices in the game that SUPPORT your worldview? I guess everyone just loves being the victim...

Yeah, we need to STFU and let the likes of Fraudnita Sarkesian change our hobbies without ever raising a concern or criticism...

How about no?

Agreed. D&D's Satanic Panic back again for the win!

Because not buying a shitty game and criticizing it is the same as the satanic panic... Dude, where have you been?

Playing BG3 instead of criticising it and finding that the first four hours have been a pretty cool experience - for sure far from "shitty"?

Quote
We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

Sorry, but I'm not following you. In D&D you could (and can) summon demons, devils and do other nasty stuff which, in my book, is a tiny bit worse than fucking a bear. What was the answer by sane minds?

"It is a game! It is make-believe, you morons!"

Annnnd... fucking this poor bear isn't?

So, unless I missed something and BG3 forces me to fuck this bear for real, I can only point out the hypocrisy of going up in arms against something much worse than what caused the Great Satan Panic. The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

(*) All of this, of course, for the usual reason: the inability to realise that the rest of the World has their own neurosis - they don't need to import some from the USA. Wokeness is, literally, a virus that hit the English speaking World. Everywhere else "In BG3 you can fuck a bear!" is "So Twitter 12 hours ago!" Everyone has already moved on.

So you ARE being disingenuos

Disingenuos (which means "dishonest" only more roboant) how? If anything, I pointed out a hypocritical approach to judging BG3.

Unless I was dishonest because I didn't disclose that I was actually playing the game when talking about it, instead of what many people up in arms are doing (prejudice, hearsay and flat-out hypocrisy over actual experience).

I'm really curious about an explanation.

Me:

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We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

You:

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Proceeds to pretend we're not in the middle of a leftwing moral panic and have been for over a decade

Me:

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So you ARE being disingenuous

Also You:

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Proceeds to pretend we're not in the middle of a leftwing moral panic and have been for over a decade and that calling you disingenuous for doing so is out of bounds.

Whatever dude I'm done talking about this with you, BECAUSE you're being disingenuous and trying to gaslight me.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2023, 12:06:20 PM

Me:

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We've been on a moral panic for the last 10 years at least, it's just that it's the left making the claims and censoring shit.

You:

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Proceeds to pretend we're not in the middle of a leftwing moral panic and have been for over a decade

I literally recognised that, yes, we are.

The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

A good way to avoid gaslighting is to actually read what others are saying.

I'm personally all for the inclusion of manly bear fucking. I'll never actually choose that course, because not my monkey, not my circus, not my fetish, but I think bitching about freedom of action in a fucking roleplaying game is like Reckall said, just the right wing version of listening to a purple haired specimen of Terra Balenus Terribilis crow on about the male gaze for 45 minutes because a female character doesn't look like she rocks a Walmart checkout station.

I'll be fucking honest with you. Every time I hear but what about the children my automatic response is fuck the children. They can go play fucking Roblox and Minecraft. BG3 is a Mature rated game. Not E for Everyone. M for Mature. It's an adult game made for adult players who want to be able to do adult things. To kill. To curse. To fuck. It isn't a child friendly game because it was never intended to be one. It's a game from the same vein as Fallout and Fallout 2, two games which if made now and not by a company that is categorically terrible (Fuck you, Todd), it would have Big Gay Al's Big Gay Romance Quest, more whores than a Frank Miller treatment, and Kill-able kids (just like the first two).

Fallout 2 had gay marriage for fucks sake while Dragon Age: Origins (the last dying gasp of Bioware) had outright had animated gay love scenes back in '09.

The idea that this shit is in any way new makes me cry tears of contempt.

Ya'll need to learn fucking perspective. There's a world of difference between "I can fuck a dude in an M-rated RPG if I really want to" and "Trans-pride clothes lines for 6 month olds".

Quote from: Reckall on August 05, 2023, 12:23:24 PM
I literally recognised that, yes, we are.

The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

A good way to avoid gaslighting is to actually read what others are saying.

A-fuckin'-men.

I hate all forms of Moral Panic and anyone who'd try and instigate one.

You raise a good point. Why are gamers suddenly up in arms now when gay content has been around for a while? Well, it's probably due to the general backlash against the left after all their unreasonable demands. People who wouldn't have cared in the 00s only care now because they now think they're supposed to. It's definitely a panic, but it's grounded in far better reasoning than the delusional Satanic Panic. Instead of "Satan uses rock music to lure teenagers into Hell!" it's now "the left uses fetishistic imagery to lure kids into extreme body modification and disgusting paraphilias."

If furries wanna furry in the privacy of their dingy basements strewn with plastic toys, then that's none of my business. But when they do it in public and demand that I applaud them if I don't want to be burned at the stake, then I find myself wanting to disagree.

Quote from: Psyckosama on August 05, 2023, 12:27:41 PM
I'm personally all for the inclusion of manly bear fucking. I'll never actually choose that course, because not my monkey, not my circus, not my fetish, but I think bitching about freedom of action in a fucking roleplaying game is like Reckall said, just the right wing version of listening to a purple haired specimen of Terra Balenus Terribilis crow on about the male gaze for 45 minutes because a female character doesn't look like she rocks a Walmart checkout station.

I'll be fucking honest with you. Every time I hear but what about the children my automatic response is fuck the children. They can go play fucking Roblox and Minecraft. BG3 is a Mature rated game. Not E for Everyone. M for Mature. It's an adult game made for adult players who want to be able to do adult things. To kill. To curse. To fuck. It isn't a child friendly game because it was never intended to be one. It's a game from the same vein as Fallout and Fallout 2, two games which if made now and not by a company that is categorically terrible (Fuck you, Todd), it would have Big Gay Al's Big Gay Romance Quest, more whores than a Frank Miller treatment, and Kill-able kids (just like the first two).

Fallout 2 had gay marriage for fucks sake while Dragon Age: Origins (the last dying gasp of Bioware) had outright had animated gay love scenes back in '09.

The idea that this shit is in any way new makes me cry tears of contempt.

Ya'll need to learn fucking perspective. There's a world of difference between "I can fuck a dude in an M-rated RPG if I really want to" and "Trans-pride clothes lines for 6 month olds".

Quote from: Reckall on August 05, 2023, 12:23:24 PM
I literally recognised that, yes, we are.

The USA in the '80s were right-winged oriented, various Christian churces had more power and following, and the moral panics came from there. Today they come from the left (*). In these occourrences, they are still about about games and make-believe. I see no reason for being bothhered by either.

A good way to avoid gaslighting is to actually read what others are saying.

A-fuckin'-men.

I hate all forms of Moral Panic and anyone who'd try and instigate one.

Now YOU, Reckall and all others who agree with you two can go back and find a quote of me calling for banning the game?

IF you can then I'll gladdly admit I'm promoting a moral panic, if not then are you all willing to oppenly apologize for lying about what I have said?

Heck, I'm not sure you can find a quote by ANYONE in this thread calling for banning the game.

But you won't do either of those because you're all "enlightened centrists" and I'm an "Evul Right Wing Puritan".

When you can't find such calls from me, a self admited Christian Puritan, it should give you a clue that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.