Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 17, 2023, 01:29:54 AM
As a Christian Puritan that happens to believe you have the God given right to choose to sin, I would love it if people choose not to partake in porn.

Having said that I would love for SOMEONE to explain to me exactly how drawings or pixels on a screen transgress against the human rights of anyone. I mean where there's not a real human being in your screen or on paper.

Furthermore, if someone chooses to get naked or fucked for profit... It violates every moral code I hold but how does it violate the individual's human rights?

Lets take it to RPGs: Me having cultures that practice all sorts of immoral things on my setting violates someone's human rights? If yes please explain exactly how and if not then explain exactly how is it different in RPGs from anime, manga, etc.

I'm trying to figure out how and why the bear scene in Baldur's Gate 3 is different from the donkey show scene in Clerks 2. I found the latter to be hysterically funny, while the former is tasteless and crass. I don't think it's the scenes themselves so much as the cultural environment surrounding them.

The Clerks 2 scene is played for laughs, and makes the implicit assumption upfront that it's complete degeneracy. What's the most fucked up thing we can do to send these characters to jail? I'm sure there is an early 20s male edgelord element to the Baldur's Gate 3 scene, but in the current environment it seems to have a sort of tryhard feel. Gay isn't enough to get the religious groups riled up anymore, and rather than taking the culture war win, they had to raise the stakes and escalate.

There's also a second element. For the Clerks 2 scene, the vehicle for the humor was the absurdity of a donkey show in a McDonald's. With Baldur's Gate 3, I'm getting the impression this whole affair is presented as a legitimate romance option. Love is love and gay necrophilia-bestiality is just as legitimate a lifestyle choice as... and no, no it isn't. I'm tired of rainbow unicorn jiz in my entertainment.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 19, 2023, 02:52:37 PM

Nope, you very frequently pretend you can read people's minds. Hint, you can't.

the only way to find out is to ask.

does anyone in here not only want to ignore or cease consuming media they find morally objectionable

Maybe you should have started by asking instead of assuming you can read people's minds?

Yes, I don't want to censor anything we're not already censoring besides banning degenerates from showing porn to children in schools.

you know what, my mistake, I get very sensitive over the topic of censorship, i feel very strongly about it. I apologize.

Wait, what!?

No, no, no. This is the internet, you don't de-escalate, you go nuclear!

Seriously tho, no problem, been there done that myself.

You can customize your genitals & pubic hair but not your face, but you can fuck a bear...

WHO is this game made for? Rethorical question, it's made by degenerates from degenerates for degenerates.

Anyone can consent to anything, but that doesn't make everything safe and sane. But if you wanna win or hand out a Darwin Award, then don't let me stop you.

Most of the NPCs in BG3 are bullying and abusive. They constantly insult and sometimes outright threaten to kill the player (and yet for some reason we're expected to adventure with them). Eventually I had to stop playing because it felt like I was in an abusive relationship.

Definitely do not recommend.

Quote from: Horace on July 21, 2023, 01:19:10 PM
Most of the NPCs in BG3 are bullying and abusive. They constantly insult and sometimes outright threaten to kill the player (and yet for some reason we're expected to adventure with them). Eventually I had to stop playing because it felt like I was in an abusive relationship.

Definitely do not recommend.

You don't understand. As the PC, you have privilege plus power, so only you can be abusive. The NPC are just speaking truth to power, based on their lived experience.

Wow. I'm not remotely interested in playing a game where everyone constantly acts like jerks.

Been having a blast with the game so far. Tons of fun, indepth combat, lots of different choice for how to approach things...

Haven't encountered anything super ultra woke or in my face. Can't wait until it's officially released. Probably going to be game of the year for 2023.

It's nice to have a fun, deep, solid game with great writing, interesting storytelling and fun mechanics again. Last time I had that was Elden Ring in 2022.

Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Saving Haslin in the Goblin camp and he was greatful and happy... Ready to go back and put the Jerk Druids in their place.

There's an Evil Hag in disguise I got to kill and save a pregnant girl to return to her brothers... and I wiped out the Goblins without issue.

I really don't see where the woke complaints or where 'everyone is a jerk' is coming from... Particularly since I mained a Straight White Male Human Lawful Good Paladin and my character was basically beloved by everyone he met.

Sooo you can customize your genitalia, but not your face, because apparently players always end up choosing the same ones anyway. And they hired 'intimacy coordinators' for all the sex scenes.

...

As a degenerate myself I just wish they were honest about it.

Quote from: Orphan81 on July 25, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
Been having a blast with the game so far. Tons of fun, indepth combat, lots of different choice for how to approach things...

Haven't encountered anything super ultra woke or in my face. Can't wait until it's officially released. Probably going to be game of the year for 2023.

It's nice to have a fun, deep, solid game with great writing, interesting storytelling and fun mechanics again. Last time I had that was Elden Ring in 2022.

Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Saving Haslin in the Goblin camp and he was greatful and happy... Ready to go back and put the Jerk Druids in their place.

There's an Evil Hag in disguise I got to kill and save a pregnant girl to return to her brothers... and I wiped out the Goblins without issue.

I really don't see where the woke complaints or where 'everyone is a jerk' is coming from... Particularly since I mained a Straight White Male Human Lawful Good Paladin and my character was basically beloved by everyone he met.

But the fact that they don't offer face customization is a let down. Even the old MMO Neverwinter Online has sliders for your character's nose, mouth, cheeks, etc.

Quote from: Horace on July 21, 2023, 01:19:10 PM
Most of the NPCs in BG3 are bullying and abusive. They constantly insult and sometimes outright threaten to kill the player (and yet for some reason we're expected to adventure with them). Eventually I had to stop playing because it felt like I was in an abusive relationship.

Definitely do not recommend.

Good grief.

I can remember playing BG2 and being endlessly entertained by the back-and-forth scripted interactions with the NPC party members. This sounds like a pathetic attempt to emulate that, but the writers didn't know how to make it work so they just verbally abuse the PC?

(My personal favorite was BG2, where Yoshimo is trying to needle Keldorn a little bit with off-color ditties found in a hymnbook, only for Keldorn to imply he was the one who scribbled it there.)

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 26, 2023, 08:07:29 AM

Quote from: Horace on July 21, 2023, 01:19:10 PM
Most of the NPCs in BG3 are bullying and abusive. They constantly insult and sometimes outright threaten to kill the player (and yet for some reason we're expected to adventure with them). Eventually I had to stop playing because it felt like I was in an abusive relationship.

Definitely do not recommend.

Good grief.

I can remember playing BG2 and being endlessly entertained by the back-and-forth scripted interactions with the NPC party members. This sounds like a pathetic attempt to emulate that, but the writers didn't know how to make it work so they just verbally abuse the PC?

(My personal favorite was BG2, where Yoshimo is trying to needle Keldorn a little bit with off-color ditties found in a hymnbook, only for Keldorn to imply he was the one who scribbled it there.)

This hasn't been my experience.... None of the companions threatened to kill my character, and again, I played a Lawful Good Human Paladin. If you loved the previous Baldur's gates... You'll probably really enjoy this one too.

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Quote from: Orphan81 on July 25, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
Been having a blast with the game so far. Tons of fun, indepth combat, lots of different choice for how to approach things...

Haven't encountered anything super ultra woke or in my face. Can't wait until it's officially released. Probably going to be game of the year for 2023.

It's nice to have a fun, deep, solid game with great writing, interesting storytelling and fun mechanics again. Last time I had that was Elden Ring in 2022.

Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Saving Haslin in the Goblin camp and he was greatful and happy... Ready to go back and put the Jerk Druids in their place.

There's an Evil Hag in disguise I got to kill and save a pregnant girl to return to her brothers... and I wiped out the Goblins without issue.

I really don't see where the woke complaints or where 'everyone is a jerk' is coming from... Particularly since I mained a Straight White Male Human Lawful Good Paladin and my character was basically beloved by everyone he met.

But the fact that they don't offer face customization is a let down. Even the old MMO Neverwinter Online has sliders for your character's nose, mouth, cheeks, etc.

It's not really like a Bethesda RPG, you just got a bunch of pre-set faces and other parts.  It's the same way with how it is in the previous Balduer's gates games and the non MMO Neverwinter games. Character creation and customization is Lots of different pre-made parts to put together.

Quote from: Orphan81 on July 25, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Lae'zel is probably the biggest jerk. I found her insufferable. Shadowheart too, and Astarion.

As for woke stuff, did you not notice that the whole early game centers around a group of Tiefling "refugees" seeking shelter in a Druid Grove? And how the Archdruidess, who is portrayed as evil and unfeeling, wants to evict the Tieflings? When I tried to side with the Archdruidess in her quest to get rid of the squatters, the game broke and I couldn't progress.

Quote from: Horace on July 26, 2023, 04:34:58 PM

Quote from: Orphan81 on July 25, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Lae'zel is probably the biggest jerk. I found her insufferable. Shadowheart too, and Astarion.

As for woke stuff, did you not notice that the whole early game centers around a group of Tiefling "refugees" seeking shelter in a Druid Grove? And how the Archdruidess, who is portrayed as evil and unfeeling, wants to evict the Tieflings? When I tried to side with the Archdruidess in her quest to get rid of the squatters, the game broke and I couldn't progress.

It actually broke rather than give you an "unfinished" message? That's so sloppy and unprofessional.

Quote from: Horace on July 26, 2023, 04:34:58 PM

Quote from: Orphan81 on July 25, 2023, 10:42:06 PM
Edit: Haven't encountered anything about "Every NPC being a Jerk" or anything akin to that. My early Access character was a Goody Two Shoes Paladin... Shadowheart fell in love with my character hard... Gale was like 'you're a total bro' and even Astarion liked my choices most of the time.

Lae'zel is probably the biggest jerk. I found her insufferable. Shadowheart too, and Astarion.

As for woke stuff, did you not notice that the whole early game centers around a group of Tiefling "refugees" seeking shelter in a Druid Grove? And how the Archdruidess, who is portrayed as evil and unfeeling, wants to evict the Tieflings? When I tried to side with the Archdruidess in her quest to get rid of the squatters, the game broke and I couldn't progress.

I've heard about Lae'zel, but I don't have her in my party since as a Paladin I'm a beat stick... Shadowheart though... Really? That girl is head over heels for my Paladin and ready to swear off her Shar worship to be with him. It's already been said you can change the personalities of your companions over time... We already know Shadowheart will be able to be converted to Selune worship if you want to make her give up the dark side.

As for Astarion... The dude was the sex slave of a Vampire Lord for a century... All he wants is to make sure that NEVER happens to him again... He's morally grey, but again, he's come to like my Paladin a great deal, even if he sometimes disagrees with my goody two-shoeness...

Gale is flat out Neutral Good in alignment. He will approve of every single good act you do...He's awesome and a lot of fun to chat with as well.

As for the Quest breaking... That was a crash, not intentional. You are fully able to side with the Arch Druidess and kick out the Tieflings if you want. You can side with the Goblins and completely destroy the Druid Grove if you want as well. There is no meta narrative out to punish you for not playing the way "Larian" intends.

Have you not seen the articles about how EVERY FUCKING TRIPLE A company out there has been saying "Baldur's Gate 3 shouldn't be held as the new standard. As it's a one off" because there's so much freedom and detail in how you can accomplish things.